Greedo didn't want Han dead because Greedo wasn't working for the Empire, he was working for Jabba the Hutt who quite clearly wants Solo alive. Boba Fett mentions this in Empires. "He's no good to me dead."ReinofFire said:
GREEDo Shoots First
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To be honest I used to care about this but don't any more.
George Lucas hasn't made anything I have enjoyed since 1989. I missed the cinema re-release of the original Star Wars so was hugely dissapointed when I bought the DVD box set when it first come out to find Lucas had made changes for the worse (my original VHS being before the dark times). I was glad when they released the original versions (although as an extra) and now I have them George Lucas is not going to get another penny out of me so I can ignore everything he does, unless he releases Willow in 3D, then I might be interested.
George Lucas hasn't made anything I have enjoyed since 1989. I missed the cinema re-release of the original Star Wars so was hugely dissapointed when I bought the DVD box set when it first come out to find Lucas had made changes for the worse (my original VHS being before the dark times). I was glad when they released the original versions (although as an extra) and now I have them George Lucas is not going to get another penny out of me so I can ignore everything he does, unless he releases Willow in 3D, then I might be interested.
I always felt, once I discovered it, that the fact Han shoots first completely changes his character. The noble hero can't shoot first, it doesn't work that way. And from there on everything Han did appeared to have ulterior motives.Deathlyphil said:
Basically what he is saying is Han shot first.Not G. Ivingname said:O_OPaulH said:
That is all ^_^
Me brain no working now.
The sad thing is, it's so true that he would. Though if he does pull this, every Star Wars fan in the world will personally track him down and smack him upside the head.Sgt. Sykes said:
True, and very good pun, but Stormtroopers do get lucky once in a while. Like on Tantive IV when they stormed the door and wiped out the Rebel guard, or on the Forest Moon of Endor when that one Stromtrooper got Leah in the arm with his blaster.megalomania said:
Generally, their marksmanship training tends to disappear when you can see them, but you have to give them some credit.
Simple. Because a Han Solo who survives a murder attempt is acting in self defense. His actions are justifiable to anyone. A Han solo who shoots a defenseless alien first IS a murderer. And he murders so damn casually. He cracks a joke. And no less, murder is his first recourse. You really can't see the difference?Hardcore_gamer said:
Okay dude, first it's Greedo. It's in the thread title for God sakes. Secondly, I said nothing about the "story-line". There's more to a film than the plot. It's a defining moment of characterization that makes Han more dangerous and when Obi-Wan leaves Luke in his care we don't know what's going to happen to Luke.
That doesn't mean you can't form an opinion independent of what you think of them. It also doesn't mean that complaining about the differences equates to being a fanboy. You yourself offered the anecdote about watching the films to see what had changed, as though you were giving the originals a fair chance. As if to say you're a reasonable guy. Your hatred ensured that the outcome was predetermined. And with statements like "I don't have to be any more objective than I want to." and your judgmental nature on what constitutes a fanboy you're anything but reasonable. Your obstinance is rife with irony, you're as belligerent as the fanboys you hate so much. You've done a fine job of coming off as a dim-witted oaf. At this point you need only use the words "real americans" to make the semblance replete.
Well another film remake I will not watch. I'm just done with remakes and rereleases. Each and every one is some jerks attempt to say, "Hey I can do this whole film with better special effects and graphics!".
Yeah just one problem that doesn't make it a better film or story.
Yeah just one problem that doesn't make it a better film or story.
I guessing Elliot is duct taped to the chair because he told Erin he'd never seen Star Wars. Yeah, what a freak. Also, I love how she's flipping off the screen.
Another funny thing. Joss Whedon stated that he hated that change so much he made sure that Malcolm Reynolds shot an unarmed person four different times in Serenity.
Another funny thing. Joss Whedon stated that he hated that change so much he made sure that Malcolm Reynolds shot an unarmed person four different times in Serenity.
..I don't know.. I thought the opposite. Han is supposed to be a mercenary who really doesn't care about anything except himself - at least now. There could be reasons for that. Such as bad experiences with the Empire, maybe, that's hinted to in Empire Strikes Back. Some life-experiences he didn't care for. The point is that he's a real character, and he's eventually changing into something else - or maybe finding back some wish to fight - because of the ridiculous twins and the rebels.MrPatience said:
When they made him shoot later, it just made him seem more passive. As if he just came along for the ride, and just happened to become a rebel. That made me see everything he did afterwards as less than genuine - because he doesn't change as a character. He's just a weasel in a uniform all of a sudden, who comes back to help them out because of a sense of guilt.
Blergh, basically..
I've always seen the problem as the fact that (sorry in advance for caps) THERE IS NO WAY GREEDO COULD'VE MISSED. Not to mention it makes Han an idiot rather than a nice guy. He'd be dead but for sheer dumb luck. It's not even a convincing change, which means it's a bad one. The addition of Jabba in IV, the extended wampa scene in V, the removal of visual hiccups throughout the special editions, all fine changes that improve the movies. Han shoots first is, however, a notably bad change.Hardcore_gamer said:
