Not sure if it is just my xbox being old and slow or not but the load times can be frustratingly long and frequent, even with the game installed to my hard drive.
Grievances about Skyrim
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I've never been impressed by TES's roleplaying. In fact, I think the best TES game is Redguard which was for all purposes an "action adventure" with the RPG removed. Everything about Skyrim is fantastic except that part. (Well, I don't like the character models and a lot of the dialogue)
Gods, I know what you mean. The Dark Brotherhood questline above all of the others felt like a massive let-down after Oblivion. The assassins in the Cheydinhall Sanctuary actually had personality, and depth. I can barely stand to step foot near anyone in the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim because it's just too depressing. Nothing to say. No developments in personality or attitude or even the most basic things to say between missions from Astrid.Freaky Lou said:
And on that topic, Astrid. I get the feeling she jumps to trusting you far too quickly. I mean, I'd been in the Brotherhood for all of a week before that one major thing that calls on her faith in you occurs(I'm saying this because I'm too much of a noob to know how to bring up the spoiler tagbox. >.<) and she just says, "Yep. Get out and go do some random contract, then I'll believe you, yes siree!"
The Theive's Guild seemed more alive to me, even if it was only because of the various people around and the Radiant questing from Vex and Devlin, but it's immersion-breaking when Brynjolf says he's too buys for you even after you complete the questline. And I would like a little thief companion, thank you. Someone who knows to stay hidden with their bow strung, preferably, or even someone who'll just follow me through to the end of the dungeon with no casualties.
Still love the game though. And I will mod the ever-loving purity out of this game once more mods come into being. And yes, I am on the 360. Woohoo for hard-drive transfer cable!
A VERY annoying amount of crashes. Other than that though, not too much. I feel like the main quest seemed to have a little cut out of it, and the blades never played much purpose. I really feel like the story was just there to give reason for dragons, which is acceptable to some, but left me feeling a little saddened. Also the stealth isn't much better. Bandits will stand around with 8 arrows in their rear, and 2 dead buddies next to them, and eventually say "Guess it was nothing". Honestly though, none of these have been able to distract from my favorite thing in the game. Ebony mail. Not only does it make me sneaky, but it makes my entire character black with dark smoke when he crouches, in addition to making foes take 5 points of poison damage per second when they stand too close.
The menu system, the menu system, the menu system!!
Last night I spent 3,000 gold paying my way through situations I was capable of doing myself because the menu system didn't work properly.
Following that the...unusual...difficulty balance.
In the blue corner:
1 Dragon.
1 Pissed off Dark Elf Mage with a specialisation in destruction magic.
1 Lydia, armed with exquisite dwarven war hammer
In the red corner:
1 Mammoth.
It was a sad day for the blues.
Last night I spent 3,000 gold paying my way through situations I was capable of doing myself because the menu system didn't work properly.
Following that the...unusual...difficulty balance.
In the blue corner:
1 Dragon.
1 Pissed off Dark Elf Mage with a specialisation in destruction magic.
1 Lydia, armed with exquisite dwarven war hammer
In the red corner:
1 Mammoth.
It was a sad day for the blues.
Marriage
It's poorly implemented
That and the fact that if you killed one of your party members, like I did. He spawns there as a corpse with your other companions and it gives you a bounty, and it fails the marriage.
I really think Bethesda implemented marriage entirely because of the fact companion mods and marriage mods were popular in Oblivion.
I remember fondly spending three hours back in 2006 having to tinker with the editor just to make something that didn't look absolutely horrible.
The reason they removed Acrobatics and athletics was because people leveled up on them without even thinking. Some people (such as myself) levelled up on them by just running in a corner for an hour and finding out they gained 10 levels.
I find it odd people are so antagonistic about the broken skills and uncaring about the fact hand to hand was cut. That was more of a bigger blow in my opinion then removing gamebreaking skills.
The Stormcloaks are going to make Skyrim a zenophobic country and without the Empire they are going to close off trade. Which will eventually cause the country to get poorer. The Empire of course is also going to go into a costly war with Skyrim which will likely have the Thalmor sneak attack them, and that would be even worse since the Thalmor want to destroy the Empire and have Tamriel ruled by Elves.
That and the fact Ulfric acts like a child half the time in the game.
It's poorly implemented
That and the fact that if you killed one of your party members, like I did. He spawns there as a corpse with your other companions and it gives you a bounty, and it fails the marriage.
I really think Bethesda implemented marriage entirely because of the fact companion mods and marriage mods were popular in Oblivion.
You LIKED Oblivion's potato heads?Blood Brain Barrier said:
I remember fondly spending three hours back in 2006 having to tinker with the editor just to make something that didn't look absolutely horrible.
Skyrim didn't remove enchantments, Oblivion removed Teleportation before Skyrim did due to them having cities separate in the overworld.Ph33onix said:
The reason they removed Acrobatics and athletics was because people leveled up on them without even thinking. Some people (such as myself) levelled up on them by just running in a corner for an hour and finding out they gained 10 levels.
I find it odd people are so antagonistic about the broken skills and uncaring about the fact hand to hand was cut. That was more of a bigger blow in my opinion then removing gamebreaking skills.
50 isn't the level cap, after level 50 you level up slower. The theoretical level cap at the moment (when you max out all your skills) is 81Riddle78 said:
KhaoticOne said:
The Imperials are the most logical choice if the player wants long term prosperity for Skyrim.Duffeknol said:
The Stormcloaks are going to make Skyrim a zenophobic country and without the Empire they are going to close off trade. Which will eventually cause the country to get poorer. The Empire of course is also going to go into a costly war with Skyrim which will likely have the Thalmor sneak attack them, and that would be even worse since the Thalmor want to destroy the Empire and have Tamriel ruled by Elves.
That and the fact Ulfric acts like a child half the time in the game.
Dragons in general. I think being a hardcore Monster Hunter fan kinda ruined them for me, especially since they look so much like Wyverns. fighting them just seems weirdly simple, and I was a little bummed out that Alduin ended up being a buffed up version of the same dragons I'd been fighting the whole time. It's just ingrained into my brain that final boss dragons should be awesome and huge. Also, it seems like they're goddamn everywhere now, and I can barely fast-travel around the map without a scaly fucker swooping down on me.
My gripes are the horrendously poor poly count on many of the in game objects. The poly counts were much higher in Oblivion on the arms, legs, hands, and feet, do not even get me started on the feet.
The menu system is bland and boring. I really miss Oblivion's golden menu system.
The textures on some objects are disgustingly ugly and low res, something I cannot fix using the standard Prefs ini. Additionally the game is unlike Oblivion with a much more subdued colour palette. The game loves it some grey and its many shades, not that much brown, except underground. I love my fantasy games with over the top bright or dark, highly varied, shiny, flowing energy like, colour palettes that scream: MYSTICAL!!! The games that do this best I find are Oblivion, Enclave, and Dungeon Siege and all of its successors.
Lastly, the shouts at many times feel uselessly and hopelessly underpowered until you collect all three words.
Otherwise I have already put 35 hours into the game.
The menu system is bland and boring. I really miss Oblivion's golden menu system.
The textures on some objects are disgustingly ugly and low res, something I cannot fix using the standard Prefs ini. Additionally the game is unlike Oblivion with a much more subdued colour palette. The game loves it some grey and its many shades, not that much brown, except underground. I love my fantasy games with over the top bright or dark, highly varied, shiny, flowing energy like, colour palettes that scream: MYSTICAL!!! The games that do this best I find are Oblivion, Enclave, and Dungeon Siege and all of its successors.
Lastly, the shouts at many times feel uselessly and hopelessly underpowered until you collect all three words.
Otherwise I have already put 35 hours into the game.
Not forgetting that followers in Skyrim are a GIGANTIC step down from companions in New Vegas.Alphonse_Lamperouge said:
I wonder, is it just the goggles of novelty which prevent people from seeing the obvious flaws which critically scar an otherwise brilliant product, or their own inability to see beyond what's being shown right in front of them. For example, the fact that NV and Skyrim are both made by Bethesda and that a spiritual sequel should hold the same values that the previous game had.
I think that the general pathos that gamers hold as a whole that renders the fact that it's fine for AAA game studios to get away with creating shoddy products so long as the PC community to "mod" coughfinishcough the game to greatness. I'm not saying that Skyrim is bad, it's just that it could have been so much more if it's release date was delayed, and I'm an optimist.
Other features which serve to destroy my immersion of the game asides from graphical glitches/failures include:
Terrible drops in framerate
The fact that Vsync and mouse acceleration are not options in the game (consolisation anyone?)
The plethora of powerlevelling exploits where the game's mechanics are based around quality rather than quantity, blatantly hinting towards an unsophisticated and unrefined formula.
The pathetic length of guild questlines (they were my favorite part of Oblivion!)
Boring opening tutorial.
The hilarious companion-trainer exploit.
The UI which lacks vital information (spell duration etc).
The inability to assign spells/weapons/armor to numbered keys. Yes this is just a nitpick of mine but come on.
The lack of variety of builds (Archer + Dual wield daggers; sword+shield; Two-handed; spellcaster) which demotes re-playability.
You are no longer over-encumbered.
I'll find more when I get back to this guilty pleasure of a game. We all will. For now we can only hope that Bethesda is smart enough to cash in on a Skyrim 2.0 a la F3 -> NV.
The poly counts on many of the characters are jarringly low in many areas in direct comparison to Oblivion so I can see where he is coming from. Otherwise they look just fine to me.LordRoyal said:
P.S. I really liked the look of Oblivion's character models, including the face. I saw it as caricatures rather than an attempt to emulate real life.
P.P.S. He never said he liked Oblivion's models. How did you make that ass pull?
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this to you, but (from experience on 360) holding the RS down and pulling down or up on the left stick will adjust camera distance in third person. I just figured this out (after about 120 hours of gameplay).Sarpedon said:
Bethesda didn't develop New Vegas. They only published it. Originally Black Isle was going to create Fallout 3, but when they went under the idea was forgotten. Since a lot of Black Isle employees worked at Obsidian they commissioned them to essentially finish it in Fallout 3's engine.CodeOrange said:
Which is why the characters are more fluid and the game generally feels more like the originals.
A lot of the new features Skyrim has were originally in Oblivion as mods, most notably companions, marriage etc. It's why Skyrim has them, because it was overly popular. Not that I'm defending their half assed-ness. Just indicating where they came from.
He implied that he played Oblivion (Since his favorite one was Redguard and that's a fairly obscure one). Considering he mentioned Skyrim's lack of quality without mentioning Oblivion's horrendous head models I assumed he liked Oblivion's head models better.Saulkar said:
And this couldn't be posted in one of the many other "What I dislike about Skyrim" threads because....?
Seriously, it was cute at first but Im starting to lose track of all these Skyrim threads rehashing the same fricking points over and over again. Please use the search function before creating new threads, please, if not for me then think of the dragonborn children.
Seriously, it was cute at first but Im starting to lose track of all these Skyrim threads rehashing the same fricking points over and over again. Please use the search function before creating new threads, please, if not for me then think of the dragonborn children.
I can see the flaws and issues I have with the game even as a fan of the Elder Scrolls. I simply choose to not let the flaws bother/hinder/destroy an otherwise outstanding gaming experience, personally.CodeOrange said:
I have not seen a single issue that has 'critically scarred' the experience for me. Not in the least. I've had broken weapon racks, broken miscellaneous quests, textures issues (thanks to having it installed on 360), and disappearing lootable bodies.
Also, Obsidian developed New Vegas, not Bethesda. Bethesda's last game was Fallout 3 (and companions are definitely a step up from that game).
There will always be something that someone wants fixed/changed in a game. Bethesda can't simply continue postponing a game until some random indefinable time comes and some person with authority that doesn't exist can call it finished. It's a finished game. Nine times out of ten the game is being completed without any major issues (millions of people bought the game, compared to the thousands that are having serious issues/voicing complaints).
Bethesda is patching their own game, they aren't leaving it up to players to do that. Players take it on themselves (not that that's an issue, just saying that the assumption that Bethesda is so lazy that they want consumers to fix issues on their game is a falsehood).