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[Riot3000]

I think this comic is to poke fun at the very extreme of the social justice found on tumblr. I mean no thinks social justice is bad thing but some so caught up in something tend to lose their goal and it becomes more of crusade to soapbox your views rather than try to inform, educate and help people.

I mean its almost poetic in Nietzsche kind of way.
?Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.?

 

[Grach]

Doesn't help any when the guy calling out against racism is telling you you can't have an opinion on this because you're right. See the "man covered in shit" saying above.

 

[Gorrath]

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GREY! CORYYY!! YOU DID IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

People trying to redefine the meaning of words because they don't fit their worldviews are some of the worst.
Racism is racism. It is a social construct, yeah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist against X race. Same goes for sexism, or any other "-ism" really. They are prejudices, and they do not work in the sort of way many SJWs think they do (that is, only an "oppressor" can be racist/sexist against an "oppressed" person). Anyone can be prejudiced, no matter the social status, race, gender, or BMI he has/is.

The idea (and it's not one I agree with) is to refine the use of the word. Using "racism" to describe white prejudice against blacks AND black prejudice against whites seems to imply it's a two-way system with both parties on equal footing. I don't think that's the case. One is prejudice and a whole bunch of cultural, legal and social systems designed to maintain and enable that prejudice. The other is just prejudice. I get why the distinction is made, but phrases like, "black people can't be racist," do sound dumb when you first hear them.

The issue I have with it is that it ignores any example of a white person who is in a position where the echelons of power above him are dominated by minorities and is subject to racism by them. This is, I freely admit, a rare occurrence, but it does happen. Unfortunately, the two arguments used against any example you or I could offer would likely be that it happens so little that we can basically pretend it doesn't or that because only the local echelons of power are involved and not the whole society, that it doesn't count. I find both arguments to be weak and dismissive, but then I have a horse in that race.

In any case, I hate the refinement of the word because it creates a one-way street the other way. Any prejudice against whites is largely ignored by media and academia. I prefer that the isms remain defied by the who, what and why. In other words, prejudice against a person, any person, because of the race is racism. Prejudice against a person, any person, because of their sex is sexism. We don't need to exclude the rare examples of real prejudice against people who belong to the majority in order to address the systemic problems minorities face. Doing so does not alleviate the injustice minorities face and simply adds more injustice by ignoring those in the majority who face discrimination and prejudice as well.

 

[krazykidd]

It is not that bad since I use it mostly for artists I rarely get the stereotypical tumblr post on my blog

I literally dont understand WHY people follow or pay attention to these crazy blogs.

I follow artists and some comic writers and my friends from the real world. If your ADHD means you have to click on every weird ass blog coming up then i dont think ANY website is right for you :/ I follow about 70 well adjusted people. I never see or hear the weird stuff. It weirds me out how people manage to find it.

Ironically enough, anyone you would ask would say the same thing.

OT: never used tumblr and now i no longer want to.

 

[SporkySpork]

I was fortunate enough to avoid sticking around Tumblr once I discovered that I, being a white lower middle-class male, should consider myself the scum of the Earth. The hypocrisy and the bigotry undermines any positive messages the majority of the users on that site try to get across.

In other news, a clickbait Critical Miss comment that forgoes humor in favor of stating something most people know? Why am I not surprised?

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Ironically enough, anyone you would ask would say the same thing.

OT: never used tumblr and now i no longer want to.

I get to look at art, octopodes, fun places i wanna go one day, pictures of space and my friends real life interests and problems.

I dont really get how these issues could possible be secretly in there and i just dont realise it. It is a nice place to stay in contact with/meet people who have the same interests as you. A girl at a 30 seconds to mars concert recognised my homestuck hoodie, since we both had tumblr we exchanged it (way more informal than numbers or facebooks or whatever) and now sometimes we play league. Theres a few people near my uni ive found who like the same stuff as me, and in fact now I know people going to Birmingham comic festival which is pretty rad. Ive had a really positive experience. Then again my tumblr, and the circles im in, were all set up by my at the time girlfriend who directed me away from all the crazy stuff. Maybe I was directed around the mine field. Who knows. All i know is Cephalopod blog = awesome blog.

 

[Weaver]

I read this post just a few days ago and I found it very fitting:
http://tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/77624962470/whos-users-are-more-stupid-4chan-or-tumblr-not-that

Here's the quote for those lazy:

Anonymous: Who's users are more stupid 4chan or tumblr(not that all users of 4chan and tumblr are dumb)

Honestly? Tumblr.

A lot of the people on 4chan will act like unapologetic assholes, but at least they?re not self-righteous about it. And, if shown legitimate proof of something, (based on what I?ve seen) they?ll usually accept it, whereas Tumblr prefers to pass around bogus statistics, and cling to emotional pleas, rather than logic.

4chan often behaves like idiots, but they?re aware that they?re behaving like idiots. That?s the whole point. People go there to be anonymous assholes on purpose. Meanwhile, Tumblr is filled with bullies and rejects that think they?re doing the world a goddamn favor by acting like snide, entitled little shit mongers.

4chan will call you a ?******? regardless of gender/sexual identity, which appears to be generally understood to the point where no one even gives a shit anymore.

Tumblr becomes irrationally outraged when you somehow don?t already magically know the ?preferred pronouns? of someone you hadn?t even heard of before, even when these ?pronouns? are complete crocks of shit like ?bunself?, or ?princesself?. They then become indignant if you don?t fall to your knees and cater to every last one of their demented little demands, and treat them like the extra special little snowflake that they think they are.

4chan fields obvious inflammatory comments with relative ease, simply by dismissing them as stupid, humoring them for a laugh, or ignoring them from the start. When vitriol does happen, at least it?s mostly reserved to two morons having a witless tennis match of words while everyone else goads them on for the sake of entertainment.

Tumblr takes every goddamn thing as though it?s deadly fucking serious, to the point where people are afraid to voice their opinions on their favorite cookies, lest it somehow ?offends? someone.

4chan will bust your nuts until you can prove a claim you?ve made.

Tumblr will gladly make viral the ?news? that the sky has suddenly turned neon green, and is raining Nickelodeon Gak - if there?s enough of an emotional, impassioned plea to do so. Especially if they claim their ?child? or ?younger sibling? saw (and was upset by) this ?incident?.

If you like something, and express it, 4chan will tell you it?s terrible just to piss you off.

Do this on Tumblr, and someone will claim you?re ?oppressing them? simply because they don?t happen to like it. Then, through emotional manipulation, they try to spread the mindset that you?re somehow ?scum? just for enjoying something that they don?t.

While I wouldn?t recommend it as a place to go to ?have fun?, 4chan has actually become more welcoming than tumblr at this point.

And that?s just fucking sad.

 

[Charli]

Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

I don't ignore the messages personally. It's just... people are on tumblr for different reasons, and if you're not there to be preached to, and there for fun, there's usually some SJW barking at you for not caring enough.

It's intimidation at it's worst. I put my values and human empathy to work OUTSIDE of the internet, where I beleive it counts, but so many of those people on tumblr just turn it into a very unpleasant place. Truthful or not. Tact and grace is a lost art in that place.

I use tumblr to post drawings, not sharing a url on here I like to keep my double lives as simply that, but... please understand those that do not take kindly to those on soap boxes typing in all caps and condemning any lifestyle that isn't their own, in a time that is supposed to be relaxing for us.

Many don't ignore the 'message' but please don't take offence if we block out alot of it. Life is exhausting enough without some paradoxically privileged twat (y'know, well off enough to have internet and a home) barking at you for not caring about the worlds troubles from every conceivable angle.

Because although it might not be bad to have one person do it, a dashboard will be comprised of many individuals and if you make the mistake of following more than one tumblr SJW, your dash can look like a message board of pure accusation. Alot of the facts running around unchecked and emotionally charged, and laced with personal coloured opinions from only very minute cases.

It's unpleasant. Usually I'm very happy to talk about what's wrong in the world, but... I'm on the internet right now, I just wanna show some people what I drew a few hours ago, maybe reblog my friends posts, and sigh once again as I notice another artist I enjoyed following is now going on a reblogging fit about how damaged the system is for Y classification of humanity and why it's all those dirty X folk's fault.

...And I just happen to be one of the said X folk with no idea what the hell I'm supposed to say to that, I don't even live in the same country nor have any hand in the politics I'm supposedly advocating. Amazing place tumblr!

 

[Lazule]

Erin needs to check her privilege.

Heheeheh. Tumblr in a nutshell.

 

[Fsyco]

Anyone who either wants a larf and a harf or needs a good cry should search tumblr for 'Feminist disney'. Seriously. It all reads like amateur, anvilicious webcomics without humour (Critical Miss joke goes here. Although Ctrl Alt Del seems more applicable).

Slightly more on topic: What does Internet activism actually accomplish? Does 'checking your privilege' really lead to anything helpful? I know some people brought up the example with the French Revolution, but that was a bit more of an extreme example. In France at the time, there WAS a small, powerful group of people ruling the country and oppressing everyone out of incompetence. Today, though, there's not really much of that. I know some people go on about 'The Patriarchy' like they're dishing out exposition in a Metal Gear Solid game, but the idea of a small cabal of men keeping 'feminism' locked up on a cupboard somewhere deliberately withholding it is unhealthy paranoid fantasy.

What is the 'end goal' of SJWs? Can someone explain how exactly they plan on attaining their alleged social justice?

 

[Lord Krunk]

As a Tumblr user since 2010 I can confirm that this is 100% true. Finding sane people on that site (or at least, people who aren't teenage special snowflakes with psychotic victim complexes) is like finding a needle in a haystack.

There is some gold in the sea of crap, but there's still the sea of crap to wade through.

 

[BreakfastMan]

As someone who is very adamantly (and even vocally) pro-Social Justice, I have to say... This comic is pretty much spot-on. Tumblr, as a community, stands for good. They are anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and more besides. And it is fantastic that there exists a community online that stands against bigotry (because most, quite frankly, don't. At all). But... Tumblr has a lot of pretty significant problems. They are reactionary, lack the capacity for self-criticism, don't have a good handle on nuance or subtlety, have a poor/cursory understanding of most of the issues and theories they write about[footnote]This strip heavily mocks their understanding of cultural appropriation.[/footnote], overly self-congratulatory, insular, don't take criticism well, tend towards absurd extremes, are poor writers who can't explain their points well, and more! This isn't a new observation; many, many other people who are also pro-SJ have come to the same conclusions. So, I don't think mocking Tumblr culture is being anti-SJ any more than mocking TERFs or Andrea Dworkin types is being anti-feminist. :\

 

[Lord Krunk]

Oh wow, this thread has turned into some sort of weird self-fulfilling prophecy.

After going through the comments, I agree. As someone who was openly against the 'white guy defence force', I feel like I should say I like this one because it doesn't specifically strawman a demographic, merely trends on a particular social media outlet. Something tells me that if Grey and Cory made a comic depicting Reddit users as bronies or 4chan as a bunch of autistic pedophiles, none of these people would be freaking out at all. Depicting Tumblr as a bunch of teenagers with a flimsy grasp of reality is accurate by comparison.

That said, Tumblr does discuss a lot of serious issues... mostly by spreading false statistics, conveniently forgetting the existence of non-US history, and making statements more intellectually backwards than the issue they're supposedly challenging. Deny it all you like, it doesn't stop stuff like the 'infinite chocolate' or 'women earn 70c to the man's dollar' posts from having hundreds of thousands of notes.

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GREY! CORYYY!! YOU DID IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

People trying to redefine the meaning of words because they don't fit their worldviews are some of the worst.
Racism is racism. It is a social construct, yeah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist against X race. Same goes for sexism, or any other "-ism" really. They are prejudices, and they do not work in the sort of way many SJWs think they do (that is, only an "oppressor" can be racist/sexist against an "oppressed" person). Anyone can be prejudiced, no matter the social status, race, gender, or BMI he has/is.

The idea (and it's not one I agree with) is to refine the use of the word. Using "racism" to describe white prejudice against blacks AND black prejudice against whites seems to imply it's a two-way system with both parties on equal footing. I don't think that's the case. One is prejudice and a whole bunch of cultural, legal and social systems designed to maintain and enable that prejudice. The other is just prejudice. I get why the distinction is made, but phrases like, "black people can't be racist," do sound dumb when you first hear them.

And this is another important thing to point out. No issue, particularly the various 'isms', are as black-and-white as Tumblr makes them out to be. These 'gatekeepers' are mostly white, too.

 

[Gorrath]

Anyone who either wants a larf and a harf or needs a good cry should search tumblr for 'Feminist disney'. Seriously. It all reads like amateur, anvilicious webcomics without humour (Critical Miss joke goes here. Although Ctrl Alt Del seems more applicable).

Slightly more on topic: What does Internet activism actually accomplish? Does 'checking your privilege' really lead to anything helpful? I know some people brought up the example with the French Revolution, but that was a bit more of an extreme example. In France at the time, there WAS a small, powerful group of people ruling the country and oppressing everyone out of incompetence. Today, though, there's not really much of that. I know some people go on about 'The Patriarchy' like they're dishing out exposition in a Metal Gear Solid game, but the idea of a small cabal of men keeping 'feminism' locked up on a cupboard somewhere deliberately withholding it is unhealthy paranoid fantasy.

What is the 'end goal' of SJWs? Can someone explain how exactly they plan on attaining their alleged social justice?

I brought up the French Revolution but my points were only about how ideas about liberty and justice were influenced by the parlor meetings. I was comparing those parlor meetings to how people of all walks of life have a chance to communicate and share ideas across the Internet. As for the goals of SJWs on tumblr, I think a fair amount of it has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with self aggrandizement and creating a sense of moral superiority. In my experience there, few are willing to engage in discussion and many are ready to shout you down for daring to disagree with any point they make. There is more to the SJ movement on tumblr than just that, but those sorts do exist in droves. In short, they don't care so much about oppression and justice as much as they care about having a soapbox from which to feel tall.

 

[Lord Krunk]

As someone who is very adamantly (and even vocally) pro-Social Justice, I have to say... This comic is pretty much spot-on. Tumblr, as a community, stands for good. They are anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and more besides. And it is fantastic that there exists a community online that stands against bigotry (because most, quite frankly, don't. At all). But... Tumblr has a lot of pretty significant problems. They are reactionary, lack the capacity for self-criticism, don't have a good handle on nuance or subtlety, have a poor/cursory understanding of most of the issues and theories they write about[footnote]This strip heavily mocks their understanding of cultural appropriation.[/footnote], overly self-congratulatory, insular, don't take criticism well, tend towards absurd extremes, are poor writers who can't explain their points well, and more! This isn't a new observation; many, many other people who are also pro-SJ have come to the same conclusions. So, I don't think mocking Tumblr culture is being anti-SJ any more than mocking TERFs or Andrea Dworkin types is being anti-feminist. :\

I swear this will be the last thing I post unless someone responds to one of mine, but I just thought I should let you know that this pretty much sums up what I was trying to say better than I could. If this forum had Likes or Upvotes or something, you'd have one from me.

 

[Broderick]

I read this post just a few days ago and I found it very fitting:
http://tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/77624962470/whos-users-are-more-stupid-4chan-or-tumblr-not-that

Here's the quote for those lazy:

Anonymous: Who's users are more stupid 4chan or tumblr(not that all users of 4chan and tumblr are dumb)

Honestly? Tumblr.

A lot of the people on 4chan will act like unapologetic assholes, but at least they?re not self-righteous about it. And, if shown legitimate proof of something, (based on what I?ve seen) they?ll usually accept it, whereas Tumblr prefers to pass around bogus statistics, and cling to emotional pleas, rather than logic.

4chan often behaves like idiots, but they?re aware that they?re behaving like idiots. That?s the whole point. People go there to be anonymous assholes on purpose. Meanwhile, Tumblr is filled with bullies and rejects that think they?re doing the world a goddamn favor by acting like snide, entitled little shit mongers.

4chan will call you a ?******? regardless of gender/sexual identity, which appears to be generally understood to the point where no one even gives a shit anymore.

Tumblr becomes irrationally outraged when you somehow don?t already magically know the ?preferred pronouns? of someone you hadn?t even heard of before, even when these ?pronouns? are complete crocks of shit like ?bunself?, or ?princesself?. They then become indignant if you don?t fall to your knees and cater to every last one of their demented little demands, and treat them like the extra special little snowflake that they think they are.

4chan fields obvious inflammatory comments with relative ease, simply by dismissing them as stupid, humoring them for a laugh, or ignoring them from the start. When vitriol does happen, at least it?s mostly reserved to two morons having a witless tennis match of words while everyone else goads them on for the sake of entertainment.

Tumblr takes every goddamn thing as though it?s deadly fucking serious, to the point where people are afraid to voice their opinions on their favorite cookies, lest it somehow ?offends? someone.

4chan will bust your nuts until you can prove a claim you?ve made.

Tumblr will gladly make viral the ?news? that the sky has suddenly turned neon green, and is raining Nickelodeon Gak - if there?s enough of an emotional, impassioned plea to do so. Especially if they claim their ?child? or ?younger sibling? saw (and was upset by) this ?incident?.

If you like something, and express it, 4chan will tell you it?s terrible just to piss you off.

Do this on Tumblr, and someone will claim you?re ?oppressing them? simply because they don?t happen to like it. Then, through emotional manipulation, they try to spread the mindset that you?re somehow ?scum? just for enjoying something that they don?t.

While I wouldn?t recommend it as a place to go to ?have fun?, 4chan has actually become more welcoming than tumblr at this point.

And that?s just fucking sad.

I actually posted the same link earlier. Tenaflyviper posts quite a lot of stuff like this criticizing the tumblr brand of "social justice". I love just reading about how people call her a neckbearded white guy when she is a 30 year old Lebanese women. I am all for justice for the oppressed, but their version of justice is to be just about as racist and sexist as the "oppressors" it seems. I mean hell, some people on tumblr think it is "cultural appropriation" when someone that isnt mexican eats a friggen taco. Still though, I love the site for it's ease in sharing artwork, music, and ideas.

 

[Queen Michael]

Why isn't there a link to share this on Tumblr?

 

[Fsyco]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember one of my professors (as an aside, it wasn't part of the lecture) explained 'cultural appropriation', and it seemed like a thing that societies just do naturally. A 'counter-culture' arises within the dominant culture, and is initially frowned upon and told to sod off, but then the dominant culture 'absorbs' it, and makes it part of their own as a fad, and then the counter-culture is left as a watered-down, 'lighter' version of its original incarnation. Hippie culture is probably the best example I can think of. Hip-hop is also probably a good example. How exactly do you fight that?

While on the subject, isn't the Tumblr-outrage about 'cultural appropriation' racist in itself, since they're basically upset for people not staying in their little culture box?

 

[BreakfastMan]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember one of my professors (as an aside, it wasn't part of the lecture) explained 'cultural appropriation', and it seemed like a thing that societies just do naturally. A 'counter-culture' arises within the dominant culture, and is initially frowned upon and told to sod off, but then the dominant culture 'absorbs' it, and makes it part of their own as a fad, and then the counter-culture is left as a watered-down, 'lighter' version of its original incarnation. Hippie culture is probably the best example I can think of. Hip-hop is also probably a good example. How exactly do you fight that?

While on the subject, isn't the Tumblr-outrage about 'cultural appropriation' racist in itself, since they're basically upset for people not staying in their little culture box?

Cultural appropriation also refers to the tendency of cultures in power to assimilate parts of cultures not in power, without knowing the importance of such parts and usually using such parts incredibly ignorantly (which often results in harmful stereotypes). An easy example of this is the use of the war-chants and Navajo head-dresses to stereotype American Indians.