Gun advocate mocks Australia's tough laws

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

A US gun lobbyist has said Australia is not on the same planet as the US ...

Umm...quite. What planet does he think it's on then? Someone needs to go back to school methinks.

Don't care about US gun laws anymore. If they're happy for their children to get shot, who are we to tell them they can't murder their own kids?

 

[ClockworkPenguin]

Although it pains me to say it because I really dislike guns; whilst the video was hilarious, I'm not particularly surprised that he won a debate against someone who seemed basically unprepared. Just because that guy didn't have any valid arguments, doesn't mean there aren't any.

 

[Thaluikhain]

or at least that one Australian politician who sacrificed his political career to actually do what he believed was right.

Er, who do you mean? The Howard government passed the gun laws, and he remained as PM through to 2007.

He means Rob Borbidge, who was Queenslands premier. He helped implement gun control, even though it killed his political career to do it.

Ah, ok, that makes sense.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Oi, u wna go m8? Cum ovr ere an say that 2 my fac, cheeky c*nt.

No but really, I sort of agree with Mr. Van Cleave. Switzerland has a massive level of gun ownership because the vast majority of people undergo compulsory military training and can keep their guns afterwards. Not quite the same percentages as the USA, but drastically lower gun crime. Which means basically that there are countries with both attitudes towards guns that manage to be fairly peaceful. The difference is that people are less sensible with them in the US than they are in Switzerland. You can't copy paste methods from other countries to sort out your own national problems, you need a tailored approach.

It is pretty hilarious though that the "criminals will get them anyway, why not Zoidberg everyone" approach, taken to its logical conclusion, is you might as well legalise everything because criminals don't follow laws.

 

[BoredAussieGamer]

As an Australian: Piss off Mr. Van Cleave.

We use our fists in Australia. It's manlier than guns!

On a serious note, I'm glad we have tough laws on guns. Feels nice knowing I can just leg it from most muggers who aren't smart enough to corner me.

 

[marurder]

Some idiot desperately trying to preach to the choir that 'western' society' - specifically a country that is extremely similar to the US in many ways - so much that others refer to it (sometimes) as the 51st state; approach to gun control is flawed.

 

[TAdamson]

Oi, u wna go m8? Cum ovr ere an say that 2 my fac, cheeky c*nt.

No but really, I sort of agree with Mr. Van Cleave. Switzerland has a massive level of gun ownership because the vast majority of people undergo compulsory military training and can keep their guns afterwards. Not quite the same percentages as the USA, but drastically lower gun crime. Which means basically that there are countries with both attitudes towards guns that manage to be fairly peaceful. The difference is that people are less sensible with them in the US than they are in Switzerland. You can't copy paste methods from other countries to sort out your own national problems, you need a tailored approach.

It is pretty hilarious though that the "criminals will get them anyway, why not Zoidberg everyone" approach, taken to its logical conclusion, is you might as well legalise everything because criminals don't follow laws.

Switzerland has pretty different Gun Laws though. Yes you are allowed to keep your service weapon at home but only in a gunsafe and you are not allowed ammunition for it outside of gunranges unless you are on the rapid callup list.

This was to reduce the rate of suicides and murder-suicides that having easily accessible firearms engenders.

They have lower crime but that is far more likely to be due to the far lower poverty rate.

 

[Floppertje]

is it just me or does 'Phillip van Cleave' sound like a bad slasher movie villain?

 

[CriticalMiss]

Mr Van Cleave then backed himself into a corner by saying "unless you can get rid of 100 percent of crime, it's not worth doing anything at all."

Better get rid of the police then, won't that be great? I'm sure the Mexican Drug Cartels and the Mafia will treat you well. They're pro-gun too! And all the money you save from not having law enforcement could pay for all of the state funerals you will have for the unidentifiable bodies left lying around. Hey, maybe he is on to something here...

 

[Evil Smurf]

Fuck him. It's because of our tight gun laws that I can walk down the road to university every day and not have to worry about whether some idiot is packing a handgun. I'm quite happy with the state of our gun laws myself.

Amen.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Fists have always been cool.
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Seriously think about fists.

 

[knight steel]

Gwhahhahahaha

Spoiler: Oh wait your serious

oh oh my side's hurt make it stop XD

Silly American's of course we are from a different planet why do you think we have so many dangerous ungodly creatures it's because they are actually aliens

Anyway everyone knows that guns are useless against drop bears >_<

Spoiler: Completely accurate pic of a drop bear

 

[Vausch]

Eh, that's fine.

I'll just be over here enjoying my comparatively low murder rate and complete absence of gun massacres in a country where someone firing two shots (from a bolt-action rifle) into someone else's garage door is enough to make the papers.

Question: How hard is it to immigrate to Australia and how are your opportunities for mechanical and electrical engineering jobs?

 

[MrHide-Patten]

A US gun lobbyist has said Australia is not on the same planet as the US when dismissing the success of Australian gun control laws.

It's true. What works in Australia doesn't translate very well into another country vastly larger, with actual physical neighboring nations and a vastly different culture.

I'm not arguing either side and I personally couldn't give more than one-half of two fucks about anyone mentioned in that article or their opinions.

Those shifty Canadians, always acting nice, its a ploy to invade the United States of Umericka!

 

[SilkySkyKitten]

I hate that idiots like this make the rest of us reasonable gun owners look bad.

I do agree with Cleave that the US and Australia aren't really comparable in terms of violence, but the way Cleave said it made him sound like an ass who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

So do I, man. So do I...

It's people like these that, even though I love guns and don't agree with banning them outright, make me despise many gun lobbyists as well as organizations like the NRA with a burning passion of a thousand suns. They're too preoccupied with this false and illogical notion that any form of gun control is "against 'merican values and freedom!" that they just make themselves look like a bunch of overzealous nutjobs. Plus, they in turn make reasonable gun enthusiasts look bad just out of association.

It really sucks being a gun nut with an actual brain sometimes. =/

 

[JemothSkarii]

Eh, that's fine.

I'll just be over here enjoying my comparatively low murder rate and complete absence of gun massacres in a country where someone firing two shots (from a bolt-action rifle) into someone else's garage door is enough to make the papers.

Question: How hard is it to immigrate to Australia and how are your opportunities for mechanical and electrical engineering jobs?

Getting in? Not as hard as the U.S I believe (Okay, our citizenship test is kinda bullshit, but before that isn't too bad. Friend got married to his wife in February and is still waiting on his Green Card)

Engineering/Electrical? Go to Queensland and Western Australia. They need those all the time, pay rate is huge too...but so is the cost of living.

 

[Vausch]

Eh, that's fine.

I'll just be over here enjoying my comparatively low murder rate and complete absence of gun massacres in a country where someone firing two shots (from a bolt-action rifle) into someone else's garage door is enough to make the papers.

Question: How hard is it to immigrate to Australia and how are your opportunities for mechanical and electrical engineering jobs?

Getting in? Not as hard as the U.S I believe (Okay, our citizenship test is kinda bullshit, but before that isn't too bad. Friend got married to his wife in February and is still waiting on his Green Card)

Engineering/Electrical? Go to Queensland and Western Australia. They need those all the time, pay rate is huge too...but so is the cost of living.

How about schools, do they do well for abroad scholarships?

Ok don't wanna get in trouble for going off topic XD

 

[Bat Vader]

Gwhahhahahaha

Spoiler: Oh wait your serious

oh oh my side's hurt make it stop XD

Silly American's of course we are from a different planet why do you think we have so many dangerous ungodly creatures it's because they are actually aliens

Anyway everyone knows that guns are useless against drop bears >_<

Spoiler: Completely accurate pic of a drop bear

For a second there I thought that drop bear picture was going to be a picture of a large spider that has been bred and trained to hunt and kill animals the size of a bear. Nice to see it is just a Koala. I would love to visit Australia one day but the massive arachnophobia I have is what stops me. I'm just worried about going into a hotel room and having a large spider drop on my face.

 

[knight steel]

Gwhahhahahaha

Spoiler: Oh wait your serious

oh oh my side's hurt make it stop XD

Silly American's of course we are from a different planet why do you think we have so many dangerous ungodly creatures it's because they are actually aliens

Anyway everyone knows that guns are useless against drop bears >_<

Spoiler: Completely accurate pic of a drop bear

For a second there I thought that drop bear picture was going to be a picture of a large spider that has been bred and trained to hunt and kill animals the size of a bear. Nice to see it is just a Koala. I would love to visit Australia one day but the massive arachnophobia I have is what stops me. I'm just worried about going into a hotel room and having a large spider drop on my face.

Just a koala.........JUST A KOLA you poor poor naive fool they are nothing alike:

Spoiler: NSFW contains pic of dead carcass

And the worse thing is they hit you when you least expect it causing savage wounds:

Spoiler: NSFW drop bear attack injuries

 

[EstrogenicMuscle]

I'll just leave this here for you gents.

I love the Daily Show so much. Oh my God, that memorial was amazing.

I am glad that the Daily Show is available over the internet. Because even as amazing as the Daily Show is, it isn't worth paying for Cable or Satellite television for.

 

[Bat Vader]

Gwhahhahahaha

Spoiler: Oh wait your serious

oh oh my side's hurt make it stop XD

Silly American's of course we are from a different planet why do you think we have so many dangerous ungodly creatures it's because they are actually aliens

Anyway everyone knows that guns are useless against drop bears >_<

Spoiler: Completely accurate pic of a drop bear

For a second there I thought that drop bear picture was going to be a picture of a large spider that has been bred and trained to hunt and kill animals the size of a bear. Nice to see it is just a Koala. I would love to visit Australia one day but the massive arachnophobia I have is what stops me. I'm just worried about going into a hotel room and having a large spider drop on my face.

Just a koala.........JUST A KOLA you poor poor naive fool they are nothing alike:

Spoiler: NSFW contains pic of dead carcass

And the worse thing is they hit you when you least expect it causing savage wounds:

Spoiler: NSFW drop bear attack injuries

Aww, a Koala just mutilated that poor guy, that's adorable. I can see how Koalas are dangerous but I just think spiders are scarier. Seeing as how some of them are bigger than koalas.