Halo: Reach Will Punish Quitters, Says Bungie

[Arkhangelsk]

I'm gonna say this right out: Bungie are douchebags now. If I'm new to Halo and accidentally get stuck in a match full of pros, should I just suck it up now? If I'm not okay with the game, I should have the right to leave. Even worse, what if your interrupted while gaming and have to go. If this happens some times, then what? First that bonus for PC gamers, now this? Thank you, Bungie, you've made me not want to buy this game.

It's true, ragequitters are a problem, but it's better off when they leave, otherwise they'll just whine and not care. I've played Halo 3 very much, and I've been stuck in impossible games over and over. It's not fun to have to quit. And I think it's my bloody right to leave the game if I'm not having fun. Shouldn't it be fun for everyone?

EDIT: Okay, I've received enough quotes, please leave this post alone.

im sorry i had to add one more but alot of the time its rage quits that piss everyone off

That's not a new thing. I've heard it at least 3 times.

 

[Icehearted]

I had a full year of XBLG, and quitters were second only to greifers in sheer number. I could barely get a game going in just about everything I played because people would be on the losing end against me and they'd just drop out.

No only am I all for this, I think there should at least be a penalty model against people that quit because it diminishes the experience tremendously. I spent just over an hour playing a game once that never had a match last longer than 30 seconds at the most because losing players would quit. When they'd see me in the lobby they'd leave to find another. I gave up, because that's all I got, and have had no desire to return because that's all I expect. Griefers and quitters are a scourge, and I'd love to see hardcore bans doled out a helluva lot more because of it. I didn't pay good money just to have people drop out because they weren't winning, and I don't plan on attempting online play again anytime soon thanks largely to them.

 

[ultimateownage]

Bungie: You are all idiots. What if someone genuinly needs to leave, or is just not having fun. Are they not allowed to leave? Punish rage quitters, not quitters. Also: Any game that becomes unbalanced due to quitters isn't very good, or has terrible auto balance.

Yeah, because you'll NEED to leave a shitload of times.

Upon seeing the title of the thread, I knew that people would be bringing dumb answers like these all over the place. Think before you speak, people.

You're talking like it's not possible. Maybe you should have thought before you posted, and noticed that there was 16 pages of that tosser who's got you covered.

Bungie: You are all idiots. What if someone genuinly needs to leave, or is just not having fun. Are they not allowed to leave? Punish rage quitters, not quitters. Also: Any game that becomes unbalanced due to quitters isn't very good, or has terrible auto balance.

I hate to use caps lock, but you dug up some burred rage. ONE QUIT WILL NOT GET YOU IN TROUBLE! REPEATED QUITTING IN A ROW WILL!

Firstly, use the fucking edit button, and secondly, all they have stated is that they are going to punish quitters, and there is no sure way of punishing the right type of quitters, and not the wrong type. It's possible that you are forced to quite multiple games in a row without wanting to, but Bungie haven't got cameras in your house to find out the reason for quitting. Or if someone is not having fun, and joins another game where they can't have fun. The Halo community is full of whiny teenage pricks who refuse to play properly, that's your problem right there. [sub]Halo fanboy.[/sub]

If you quit often enough to the point where you get the 15 TO 30 MINUTE TIMEOUT you deserve it. [sub]Yahtzee fanboy.[/sub]

How the fuck does Yahtzee come into this? I'm not the one who flames everyone who says something remotely negative about Halo.

Because of how much you're hating on Halo. And I'm not the one who flames everyone who says something remotely positive about Halo.

*sigh* I can't even be bothered arguing with you, you're like a fucking child just repeating everything I say back to me. Also, I'm not hating on halo, I'm hating on this particular mechanic and the fanboys. I don't even think you fucking read what I wrote, just saw a negative tone and decided to flame me for it.

Seriously, you're pretty much the only reason this has lasted so long, just fucking drop it. For christs sake, let people have their opinion.

The only reason you'd hate the mechanic and anyone who defends it (not just the fanboys) is if you were a person who commonly rage quits and can't handle 15 to 30 minutes or are a troll. Either way, you're someone who I, and Bungie, and most others, hate.

Looks like you're runnin' outta insults, mate.

 

[Blights]

The only reason you'd hate the mechanic and anyone who defends it (not just the fanboys) is if you were a person who commonly rage quits and can't handle 15 to 30 minutes or are a troll. Either way, you're someone who I, and Bungie, and most others, hate.

No, it's just YOU hating on someone else because he won't see stuff your way. You're being arrogant. Yeah, you were trying to defend something you like and I can see why. But you need to do it in some way where you can see how his opinion is legitimate and not just trolling.

He was saying he didn't like the Halo community, neither do I. Maybe because most of it IS filled with people who take things WAAAY to seriously. And right now you're acting like how he would expect you to act. Stop.

OT: I don't mind the ban, I don't really quit games unless I join another or just want to stop playing for a few hours, I can see why it would be a pain in the ass a few times, but really, you can't be this childish about not being able to play online for honestly a couple of minutes.

 

[ultimateownage]

Bungie: You are all idiots. What if someone genuinly needs to leave, or is just not having fun. Are they not allowed to leave? Punish rage quitters, not quitters. Also: Any game that becomes unbalanced due to quitters isn't very good, or has terrible auto balance.

Yeah, because you'll NEED to leave a shitload of times.

Upon seeing the title of the thread, I knew that people would be bringing dumb answers like these all over the place. Think before you speak, people.

You're talking like it's not possible. Maybe you should have thought before you posted, and noticed that there was 16 pages of that tosser who's got you covered.

Let's face it, you won't need to change the water for your goldfish, go to the toilet, take out the dog, in the middle of a bunch of matches in a row. If that's the case, then you deserve it for being such a moron to start yet another match right away.

Ah well, today I have learned two interesting things! The first is that The Escapist community mostly suffers from ADD, seeing as hardly anyone could read what Vrex posted, with more info, they all had to post their so highly interesting opinions first. Second, I have learned that the news editors don't do their jobs properly. Look shit up before you post the news. This is why I subscribe to PC Gamer.

Well I've also learnt something. That you're massively hypocritical. We've already had 16 pages of this shit. Just fucking leave it. If you don't like the escapist, then fucking leave. Forums are for OPINIONS, you can't give people shit for expressing them, and besides, I posted my opinion BEFORE Vrex posted.

 

[theultimateend]

I hope they not only ban the people but belittle them to the point of crushing any hopes of a positive view of themselves ever again.

If they own Kinect it should take a picture of their face and make it the new wallpaper on their Xbox Dashboard and put "This guy sucks ass" underneath it.

Not because I play Halo or care really, but because then I might start playing Halo and they'd make up a sale they lost from crushing some (statistically speaking for online FPS) douchebags troll account.

Think before you speak, people.

But...I don't wanna .

 

[jthm]

Are you one of these people predisposed to douchebaggery? Granted, Archangelsk was in a wrong on a few things and he even admitted it over to me on Twitter, after reading your post though, I gotta say, you are even farther in the wrong due to your inability to accept a persons opinion. Quit bullying the guy over that.

Wrong opinions are unacceptable.

jthm: My opinion that people who rage quit are douchebags is equally valid (and perhaps moreso). Since I'm not privvy to your twitter posts (nor would I want to be, Twitter is for people who are WAAYY too full of unwarranted self importance) and I'm not going to go digging through 20 forum pages to read everyone else raking this guy over the coals, I can only respond with what I have seen. The post on page 1.
It's not like you'll lose rank over it, so get the fuck over it. AND IT WILL NOT BAN FOR 1 FUCKING QUIT!


I think he meant more along the lines of Power Failure, Disconnection, Hardware problems..you know things that happen suddenly without your knowledge or consent.

Not like it matters, as you won't get banned for 1 quit.

jthm: Then he should've said power failure, disconnection or Hardware problems, shouldn't he? He said leaving, which implies doing so voluntarily.

Yes, but as always the Beta kicks ass and it renews my hope for a great game. Which Bungie has almost always delivered.

It does look great, and I liked ODST, or as I call it, Firefly Mini-Reunion.

jthm: I really wanted to like ODST with half the cast of Firefly in it. I just couldn't though. Hell, I wanted it to make me like Halo again, but it couldn't do that either.

Whine away, you wuss. I have a mute button, you can whine all you like. Actually, it makes shooting you that much more satisfying, especially if a kill silences your mic until respawn.

That doesn't make the player on the other side of the game feel any better. Although it will give him more of a reason to teabag you. Also, why do you care? From the looks of your other points, namely how you think Halo 3 sucks and how ODST sucks, why are you even gonna attempt to buy a game to a series you seem to dislike?

Agreed

jthm: I'm not going to buy it, I'm just agreeing with the need to penalize rage quitters. And yes, I do think Halo 3 sucked. So did ODST. To put more fine a point on it, so you don't think I'm a typical Halo Hater (not that I particularly care what you think, I just don't like being misunderstood) I loved Halo 1, owned it before it got the subtitle CE. I loved Halo 2 (except that ending), thought the online was a whole lot of fun. I really wanted to like Halo 3, but it was the same game as 2 with a couple new weapons (scratch that, they were modifications on old weapons with new skins). Halo 2 was great for a while, but you can't make the graphics a little shinier, change little else and call it a sequel. I rented ODST, and it was outright awful.
The return to the halo 1 health system was poorly implemented, the lighting/night vision was terrible, the voice acting (which I really was looking forward to as I loved firefly too) was phoned in for the most part, the graphics weren't even as good as Halo 3, which looks dated now itself. It didn't make sense for marines to be able to do everything masterchief could do (tearing off turrets or jumping chasms). It just wasn't a good game. It felt like a DLC idea for three marketed as something it shouldn't have been.
Was there a point to that other then to sound like every other Halo hater since Halo 2?

Agreed

jthm: I'm sorry to hear he played a lot of one game that was cookie cutter when better games were out there. I'm sorry he ruined the enjoyment of others by ragequitting when they were enjoying beating him. You're right, that quote was a dick move. But you know what? I enjoyed posting it, and that's what this is all about right? All about my enjoyment? It brought me a certain amount of pleasure to be a smartass. Who cares about other people on the internet? It's all about me. I can be obnoxious on the internet without penalty! That's pretty much the argument of everyone against penalizing ragequitters, so if it's valid there, why shouldn't it be valid on a forum?

Have you considered sucking less?

As I said before, kinda difficult to do when they are camping and leaving very little room to get around. No amount of skill will win out against a Shot gun at close-range except Grenades and the whole fact that the Spartans with the Guard ability get Shotguns defeat the purpose of throwing them since they can just absorb the damage. In other words, they made the Campers stronger.

No ability is the same universally, so wrong.

jthm: Waaaa! Those guys are playing in a way that makes them more likely to win! Waaaaa! Get a little creative in dealing with them then. Sniper rifles, grenades, rocket launchers. Communicate with your team and coordinate your assaults. Don't cry because campers beat you to the shotgun and are proceeding to own you with it. Your ability to input commands are the same as theirs and are more or less equal. If you lose, it's because the other guy had a better tactic than you and you deserved to lose for not thinking of a way to respond.

THEN FUCKING DON'T!

Say that to the guy who is hosting with a 2-bit connection when I'm unable to respawn.

So get a better connection?

jthm: agreed. We shouldn't have to play uneven matches because you rigged up your old dial up modem to play on a broadband only based system. I'm sorry you can't afford a better connection, but you know that screen that shows connectivity? Has red green and yellow bars in most games? If all you see is red, the time to quit is then, BEFORE THE MATCH STARTS! If your connection is that bad, you shouldn't be hosting.

Not true actually, if I'm lagging, I become a liability for everyone in the game and my team loses due to my inability to protect myself or remove myself from the game to allow my team a fighting chance. How do they have fun in that circumstance? How does the other player have fun? You gotta keep in mind that the enjoyment of the game revolves mainly around you. If you aren't having fun, why play the game? Just quit out and put something in you'll enjoy more. Who cares about the other players? They'll brush the game off and move on, you seem to have that sense that the game is a life or death situation and I'm sure that they would do the same thing in a similar circumstance. How does the free will to play what he wants make him spoil brat?

I don't brush it off. I rage for a while and then just kind of be pissed for a few hours.

jthm: did I say spoiled anywhere? Life and death anywhere? No? Maybe you shouldn't read into what isn't there. I said he's selfish, and that's exactly what he is. When you're playing a game with other people, you're cooperating with them in a sense. You're all playing together with the idea being that everyone should play to the best of their ability in the pursuit of a good time.

Let me put it like this: Let's say that I, maddawg, you and Arkhangelsk are sitting around your kitchen table in real life playing monopoly. You roll the dice and land on park place and buy it. On your next roll you get snake eyes and buy boardwalk, giving you the priciest monopoly in the game. You build hotels immediately. At that point, by my logic, we keep playing, even if you have an advantage, for three reasons. 1). We agreed to finish, short of emergency, by sitting down to play it. 2). I still might be able to nickel and dime you to death with the railroads and the electric company if I play right. 3). Because you should have THE SATISFACTION THAT COMES WITH WINNING and I wouldn't deny you that. My point is, you wouldn't stand up and quit the game right there and you'd think less of anyone who does. That shouldn't change just because it's on the internet and not your kitchen table.

Yes, and players with your rationale towards online games make it less fun for everyone else. Either get better, quit playing online games that you suck at or stick to playing private matches against other noobs.

Yes, because when ALL players who quit out are noobs, even the people with a higher rank and more kills then me who quit out because he had to deal with his dog throwing up on the floor or the guy who had his kid fall down the stairs while he was playing. They are all obviously noobs because life got in the way of video games. Why should they be forced out of Online gaming that they enjoy because of that?

He could have cleaned the hurl AFTER the game, and IT DOES NOT BAN YOU FOR 1 QUIT!

jthm: as pointed out, doesn't ban you for one quit. And if you have so many problems like those going on that you quit all the time, maybe it's time to stop trying to play for a little while, take the dog to the vet and get a child safety gate for your stairs. Get your priorities in order, fix things that are forseeable before you sit down to play.


Hopefully someday, someone, somewhere, somehow, will stop you from acting like such a bully to a guy who has already had the same things pointed out to him 50 times already. He even asked you not to do it, but you did anyways. I don't condone quitting out of rage, but there are some legitimate reasons behind it sometimes and assuming that all quitters are the same and shooting down his post like that doesn't make you the bigger man.

Did you just say "wrong opinions"? That's not even a term? Oh, and if my dog threw up, I'd probably want to inspect it so it wasn't some serious reason, like him accidentally eating chocolate, which did happen at one point. And that's not even the point. If anything worrying happened, you're forced to pull out.

Do you really think that everyone should sacrifice themselves online? Martyrdom is not the heart of the game.

And maddawg IAJI isn't debating whether Bungie is right or not, he's calling out the guy quoting me.[/quote]

And failing at it. Hilariously. I'll tell you what, I'll quit acting "like such a bully" (lol internet tough guys) when you quit ragequitting and then trying to justify it online. someday, someone, somewhere, somehow... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What, is Clint Eastwood going to come walking out of the sunset to Mod me? Someday, someone, somwhere, somehow... Like I'm the evil overlord of the Galactic Empire or something here because I talked down to someone who deserved it. Please, talk about unwarranted melodrama. Are you hoping to attract a whiteknight or something?

If you want people to stop quoting you, Edit the post on the first page to have an apology in it then, not just a complaint about how "everybody's picking on me". If you're so worried about the clarity of the posting chains that have spawned here, just tag it on the end. Say: "I was wrong, please stop flaming me." You don't even have to delete everything else. Just a publicly visible admission of being wrong will stop people me like me. Also, lol, I don't care if you don't like my tone.

So many quotes and bolds, this post will be a mess, I'm sure of it.

 

[L33tMarvin]

[HEADING=1]What Bungie actually means to say on the matter is here:[/HEADING]

<quote= Bungie>So, you may be wondering why we haven't fixed the quitter problem yet. Thing is, we probably have, but we just haven't turned it on yet.
As we speak, the Banhammer is watching, amassing data about who's been quitting, the manner in which they have quit, and who suffered as a result of that quit. Numbers are feeding into complex heuristics and deep databases, and somewhere in the middle of it, our very own disembodied soul howls for revenge.

"Swing Banhammer, swing!" you cry out. Well, problem is, this is a Beta and we don't want the Banhammer swinging wildly until we know for sure that the numbers coming in are correct, and that the Beta itself is stable and not disconnecting people (creating the illusion of quitting.) Currently, we are only logging data for future action.

So what do we have in store for when it goes live next week? Let me pull back the curtain just a bit:

For starters, our Banhammer is getting more data than even Halo 3 produced, which is going to let us dial it in and more aggressively deal with habitual quitters. The real jerks are going to run into this, and then you're not going to see them online anymore. It'll be great.

Second, quitting a game will forfeit any credits you may have earned for that game. In fact, it may even cost you some credits. We're waiting to see how effective the Banhammer is before deciding exactly how much.

Lastly, and all new for Reach, we have a new type of ban called a Quitter Ban. This is a relatively soft ban, so we will be using it quite aggressively, activating after only a handful of quits and lasting a rather long time. What does it do? A player with a Quitter Ban will be temporarily unable to re-enter Matchmaking for 15-30 minutes following any further quits.

Oh, and we're playing around with some gametypes which end early (think "Sudden Death") when most of a team quits out, so that you don't need to play 8v1 Slayer to 100 (aka. "Hide and Seek".) You may see some of these in Matchmaking if we're unhappy with the other countermeasures.

As custodians of the online experience, we will be monitoring and adjusting out countermeasures as necessary to keep things ticking along nicely, without games being marred by habitual flakes who quit when they don't get the Sniper Rifle first. So in the meantime, enjoy the Beta!
And quit quitting, because we are watching, and it is going into your personal Banhammer dossier.

(Special pre-emptive note: Online game designers are familiar with "virtual guilt", whereby a perfectly upstanding, innocent player will feel irrationally nervous and guilty upon hearing about a potential punishment. And now, you're familiar with the concept too. Well, relax. We are very deliberate about our enforcement policies, and if you're not a habitual quitter, we're not going to ban you for that one time that your internet cut out. And if it cuts out every game, well, you should probably use the downtime between games to call your ISP and get a technician out. It'll be for the greater good.)

[HEADING=1]They are not talking about permanently banning people from the system based on singular acts of rage quitting!
The longest anyone will be banned for is twenty minutes and only if they are frequently quitting from matches, like ten times in a thirty minutes.[/HEADING]

Also:

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=26432

Towards the end of this article it is mentioned that in fact before you even get a fifteen minute suspension, you get a weekly probation period. Bungie also note the connection issues other countries face and have done their bit to fix that up and have now got the tools needed to fix up connection issues. So the fear of being suspended based on connection issues is not something you need worry about as Bungie are aware of this problem.

Why does this sound like the way Heroes of Newerth ban people or is it just me?

 

[Cherry Cola]

I must admit, I'm kind of surprised at how many people never bothered to read up on the details.

I'm also a bit surprised at how this thread is allowed to go on even though it has turned into a flamewar. I don't think these news are so important that we'll risk continuing the aggression and hostility.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

Well as long as it has a few 'forgive' quits. Like with lagging out, or something like that, then I'm a-ok.

 

[Silver Patriot]

I must admit, I'm kind of surprised at how many people never bothered to read up on the details.

I'm also a bit surprised at how this thread is allowed to go on even though it has turned into a flamewar. I don't think these news are so important that we'll risk continuing the aggression and hostility.

It does seem weird. I kind of expected one of the editors to step in somewhere along the line.

 

[bloodshed113094]

I agree to this at a degree. I mean you should be able to join certain game types after it but not the same one. but it makes sense, considering now in halo i get outnumbered 4 to 1 in every other fucking match. Luckily i don't care about rank so i usually quit myself but it has to be stopped.

 

[traineesword]

The puppy orphanage near my house regularly catches fire and I have to regularly stop what I'm doing to go save the puppies...I refuse to get banned for caring about another life.

sigh, i am so sorry your post is lost within the 10th page. i don't think you'll have had the proper number of quotations to show appreciation of the sense of humour you retain with post-wars going on around you. i hope that sentence made sense.

I really like your post. it made me laugh. I can tell by reading it that you understand the situation for what it is and are saying this ironically and for fun.

Ever need help saving those puppies, i'd happily quit any online game to help you. Actually, you know what... we should probably find the cause of the fires and sort it out. then we can play 'Halo: Reach' without fear of being Banned due to the fact we have hearts.

 

[CompanionCube]

Did I just step in a Fanboy war?

RUN MAN RUN!!!

On-Topic : This is complete ignorance, but why doesn't Bungie implement the system of having empty slots fill the quitters spot? Joining a game that just ended seems far more fun than being outnumbered constantly.