Halo: Reach Will Punish Quitters, Says Bungie

[Arkhangelsk]

I'm gonna say this right out: Bungie are douchebags now.

No, but people predisposed to douchebaggery might think so.

If I'm new to Halo and accidentally get stuck in a match full of pros, should I just suck it up now?

Yes, that's exactly what you should do. Learn from them, get better. Stop unbalancing the damn game. People like you are the reason I hardly ever play online anymore.

If I'm not okay with the game, I should have the right to leave. Even worse, what if your interrupted while gaming and have to go. If this happens some times, then what?

Then you shouldn't have started a match you didn't have time to finish in the first place, junior.

First that bonus for PC gamers, now this? Thank you, Bungie, you've made me not want to buy this game.

I would've thought Halo 2.5 would have made you do that. Certainly ODST should have.

It's true, ragequitters are a problem, but it's better off when they leave, otherwise they'll just whine and not care.

Whine away, you wuss. I have a mute button, you can whine all you like. Actually, it makes shooting you that much more satisfying, especially if a kill silences your mic until respawn.

I've played Halo 3 very much

I'm sorry to hear that.

, and I've been stuck in impossible games over and over.

Have you considered sucking less?

It's not fun to have to quit.

THEN FUCKING DON'T!

And I think it's my bloody right to leave the game if I'm not having fun.

Listen, you selfish little child. If you aren't having fun, don't play the game. By quitting a game, you make the game less fun for everyone in that match.

Shouldn't it be fun for everyone?

Yes, and players with your rationale towards online games make it less fun for everyone else. Either get better, quit playing online games that you suck at or stick to playing private matches against other noobs.

EDIT: Okay, I've received enough quotes, please leave this post alone.

That'll teach you speak your mind. Maybe the fact that you've gotten so many responses indicates that you should rethink your position. In fact, were I you, I'd delete the original post and write this:

I was wrong and I'm sorry. I'll stop quitting mid match.

If I edit it, that'll cause confusion, and that, would be true douchebaggery. So I'm gonna go and say that you are the villain in this case, because you bluntly ignored my request just to make a point everyone's already made. What have you accomplished? Nothing. You think you've got an argument better than the other dozen? No. I can even testify to that, as I've read every one of them.

And no, I won't answer your other insults, because frankly, I don't like your tone.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I'm gonna say this right out: Bungie are douchebags now.

No, but people predisposed to douchebaggery might think so.

Are you one of these people predisposed to douchebaggery? Granted, Archangelsk was in a wrong on a few things and he even admitted it over to me on Twitter, after reading your post though, I gotta say, you are even farther in the wrong due to your inability to accept a persons opinion. Quit bullying the guy over that.

If I'm new to Halo and accidentally get stuck in a match full of pros, should I just suck it up now?

Yes, that's exactly what you should do. Learn from them, get better. Stop unbalancing the damn game. People like you are the reason I hardly ever play online anymore.

You learn nothing good from losing 15 to 50 against a team of people who camp major choke holds with a shotgun or other close range weapon.

If I'm not okay with the game, I should have the right to leave. Even worse, what if your interrupted while gaming and have to go. If this happens some times, then what?

Then you shouldn't have started a match you didn't have time to finish in the first place, junior.

I think he meant more along the lines of Power Failure, Disconnection, Hardware problems..you know things that happen suddenly without your knowledge or consent.

First that bonus for PC gamers, now this? Thank you, Bungie, you've made me not want to buy this game.

I would've thought Halo 2.5 would have made you do that. Certainly ODST should have.

Yes, but as always the Beta kicks ass and it renews my hope for a great game. Which Bungie has almost always delivered.

It's true, ragequitters are a problem, but it's better off when they leave, otherwise they'll just whine and not care.

Whine away, you wuss. I have a mute button, you can whine all you like. Actually, it makes shooting you that much more satisfying, especially if a kill silences your mic until respawn.

That doesn't make the player on the other side of the game feel any better. Although it will give him more of a reason to teabag you. Also, why do you care? From the looks of your other points, namely how you think Halo 3 sucks and how ODST sucks, why are you even gonna attempt to buy a game to a series you seem to dislike?

I've played Halo 3 very much

I'm sorry to hear that.[/qoute] Was there a point to that other then to sound like every other Halo hater since Halo 2?

, and I've been stuck in impossible games over and over.

Have you considered sucking less?

As I said before, kinda difficult to do when they are camping and leaving very little room to get around. No amount of skill will win out against a Shot gun at close-range except Grenades and the whole fact that the Spartans with the Guard ability get Shotguns defeat the purpose of throwing them since they can just absorb the damage. In other words, they made the Campers stronger.

It's not fun to have to quit.

THEN FUCKING DON'T!

Say that to the guy who is hosting with a 2-bit connection when I'm unable to respawn.

And I think it's my bloody right to leave the game if I'm not having fun.

Listen, you selfish little child. If you aren't having fun, don't play the game. By quitting a game, you make the game less fun for everyone in that match.

Not true actually, if I'm lagging, I become a liability for everyone in the game and my team loses due to my inability to protect myself or remove myself from the game to allow my team a fighting chance. How do they have fun in that circumstance? How does the other player have fun? You gotta keep in mind that the enjoyment of the game revolves mainly around you. If you aren't having fun, why play the game? Just quit out and put something in you'll enjoy more. Who cares about the other players? They'll brush the game off and move on, you seem to have that sense that the game is a life or death situation and I'm sure that they would do the same thing in a similar circumstance. How does the free will to play what he wants make him spoil brat?

Shouldn't it be fun for everyone?

Yes, and players with your rationale towards online games make it less fun for everyone else. Either get better, quit playing online games that you suck at or stick to playing private matches against other noobs.

Yes, because when ALL players who quit out are noobs, even the people with a higher rank and more kills then me who quit out because he had to deal with his dog throwing up on the floor or the guy who had his kid fall down the stairs while he was playing. They are all obviously noobs because life got in the way of video games. Why should they be forced out of Online gaming that they enjoy because of that?

EDIT: Okay, I've received enough quotes, please leave this post alone.

That'll teach you speak your mind. Maybe the fact that you've gotten so many responses indicates that you should rethink your position. In fact, were I you, I'd delete the original post and write this:

I was wrong and I'm sorry. I'll stop quitting mid match.

Hopefully someday, someone, somewhere, somehow, will stop you from acting like such a bully to a guy who has already had the same things pointed out to him 50 times already. He even asked you not to do it, but you did anyways. I don't condone quitting out of rage, but there are some legitimate reasons behind it sometimes and assuming that all quitters are the same and shooting down his post like that doesn't make you the bigger man.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

I'm gonna say this right out: Bungie are douchebags now.

No, but people predisposed to douchebaggery might think so.

Are you one of these people predisposed to douchebaggery? Granted, Archangelsk was in a wrong on a few things and he even admitted it over to me on Twitter, after reading your post though, I gotta say, you are even farther in the wrong due to your inability to accept a persons opinion. Quit bullying the guy over that.

Wrong opinions are unacceptable.

If I'm new to Halo and accidentally get stuck in a match full of pros, should I just suck it up now?

Yes, that's exactly what you should do. Learn from them, get better. Stop unbalancing the damn game. People like you are the reason I hardly ever play online anymore.

You learn nothing good from losing 15 to 50 against a team of people who camp major choke holds with a shotgun or other close range weapon.

It's not like you'll lose rank over it, so get the fuck over it. AND IT WILL NOT BAN FOR 1 FUCKING QUIT!

If I'm not okay with the game, I should have the right to leave. Even worse, what if your interrupted while gaming and have to go. If this happens some times, then what?

Then you shouldn't have started a match you didn't have time to finish in the first place, junior.

I think he meant more along the lines of Power Failure, Disconnection, Hardware problems..you know things that happen suddenly without your knowledge or consent.

Not like it matters, as you won't get banned for 1 quit.

First that bonus for PC gamers, now this? Thank you, Bungie, you've made me not want to buy this game.

I would've thought Halo 2.5 would have made you do that. Certainly ODST should have.

Yes, but as always the Beta kicks ass and it renews my hope for a great game. Which Bungie has almost always delivered.

It does look great, and I liked ODST, or as I call it, Firefly Mini-Reunion.

It's true, ragequitters are a problem, but it's better off when they leave, otherwise they'll just whine and not care.

Whine away, you wuss. I have a mute button, you can whine all you like. Actually, it makes shooting you that much more satisfying, especially if a kill silences your mic until respawn.

That doesn't make the player on the other side of the game feel any better. Although it will give him more of a reason to teabag you. Also, why do you care? From the looks of your other points, namely how you think Halo 3 sucks and how ODST sucks, why are you even gonna attempt to buy a game to a series you seem to dislike?

Agreed

I've played Halo 3 very much

I'm sorry to hear that.[/qoute] Was there a point to that other then to sound like every other Halo hater since Halo 2?

Agreed

, and I've been stuck in impossible games over and over.

Have you considered sucking less?

As I said before, kinda difficult to do when they are camping and leaving very little room to get around. No amount of skill will win out against a Shot gun at close-range except Grenades and the whole fact that the Spartans with the Guard ability get Shotguns defeat the purpose of throwing them since they can just absorb the damage. In other words, they made the Campers stronger.

No ability is the same universally, so wrong.

It's not fun to have to quit.

THEN FUCKING DON'T!

Say that to the guy who is hosting with a 2-bit connection when I'm unable to respawn.

So get a better connection?

And I think it's my bloody right to leave the game if I'm not having fun.

Listen, you selfish little child. If you aren't having fun, don't play the game. By quitting a game, you make the game less fun for everyone in that match.

Not true actually, if I'm lagging, I become a liability for everyone in the game and my team loses due to my inability to protect myself or remove myself from the game to allow my team a fighting chance. How do they have fun in that circumstance? How does the other player have fun? You gotta keep in mind that the enjoyment of the game revolves mainly around you. If you aren't having fun, why play the game? Just quit out and put something in you'll enjoy more. Who cares about the other players? They'll brush the game off and move on, you seem to have that sense that the game is a life or death situation and I'm sure that they would do the same thing in a similar circumstance. How does the free will to play what he wants make him spoil brat?

I don't brush it off. I rage for a while and then just kind of be pissed for a few hours.

Shouldn't it be fun for everyone?

Yes, and players with your rationale towards online games make it less fun for everyone else. Either get better, quit playing online games that you suck at or stick to playing private matches against other noobs.

Yes, because when ALL players who quit out are noobs, even the people with a higher rank and more kills then me who quit out because he had to deal with his dog throwing up on the floor or the guy who had his kid fall down the stairs while he was playing. They are all obviously noobs because life got in the way of video games. Why should they be forced out of Online gaming that they enjoy because of that?

He could have cleaned the hurl AFTER the game, and IT DOES NOT BAN YOU FOR 1 QUIT!

EDIT: Okay, I've received enough quotes, please leave this post alone.

That'll teach you speak your mind. Maybe the fact that you've gotten so many responses indicates that you should rethink your position. In fact, were I you, I'd delete the original post and write this:

I was wrong and I'm sorry. I'll stop quitting mid match.

Hopefully someday, someone, somewhere, somehow, will stop you from acting like such a bully to a guy who has already had the same things pointed out to him 50 times already. He even asked you not to do it, but you did anyways. I don't condone quitting out of rage, but there are some legitimate reasons behind it sometimes and assuming that all quitters are the same and shooting down his post like that doesn't make you the bigger man.

Did you just say "wrong opinions"? That's not even a term? Oh, and if my dog threw up, I'd probably want to inspect it so it wasn't some serious reason, like him accidentally eating chocolate, which did happen at one point. And that's not even the point. If anything worrying happened, you're forced to pull out.

Do you really think that everyone should sacrifice themselves online? Martyrdom is not the heart of the game.

And maddawg IAJI isn't debating whether Bungie is right or not, he's calling out the guy quoting me.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

*Snip*

1)"Wrongful Opinions are unacceptable." It isn't wrongful though, its unacceptable because it isn't the same as yours. Opinions are different from person to person, one can't prove ones opinion false by simply claiming its Wrong.

2)True, but campers are already a common occurance in Halo, probably more common then rage-quitters and they're directly related to the quitters. Cut the weed at the root.

3)Right, but do it enough and they will notice. I've had times where I've had the power go off more then once during one storm, all during online matches.

4) The Armor lock, when used right can be near unstoppable. Its a get out of jail free card against severe damage and can easily tear down the enemies element of surprise, The Jet pack can give you the high ground, The Sprint can help you escape death and the invisiability is great for those who use it right, but none of them will stop you from being shot by a rocket.

5)The Connection of the host is the problem, not mine.

6) Then you probably take it a tad too seriously in my opinion. If the situation I described, the quitter can't be helpful in any way, staying or leaving and by leaving, he at least takes the enemies ability for an easy kill away.

7)Not when the match just starts and its a CTF game on Avalanche. Those things can take forever when fighting two even teams. And to be fair, it did. I think in the end, we ended in a tie. Plus his mum was already bitching at him about it. The dog was his responsibility, best he handle it then and play later.

 

[Irridium]

Are people really still arguing about this?

For fucks sake.

First off, its only 15 minutes.
Second, it only kicks in for repeated quitters, or people who quit 5-10 times in a row.
Third, this system was used in the Beta, and no one seemed to notice. So what the hell is the problem? It seemed to work fine then, punishing those who deserved it.

And if you have a crappy connection, well there's nothing they can do about that. It sucks, I know. I have a 1mb connection that dies at least twice every few days, plus Xbox Live likes to disconnect randomly.

It sucks, yes, but no matter what someone is going to get screwed over. Whether its people like us with crappy connections or people who are just trying to play a game and not wanting to deal with those dickhole quitters.

 

[Srkkl]

I have an idea, instead of banning people who get mad at other people allow join in progress. It seems like that would be easier.

 

[Silver Patriot]

2)True, but campers are already a common occurance in Halo, probably more common then rage-quitters and they're directly related to the quitters. Cut the weed at the root.

4) The Armor lock, when used right can be near unstoppable. Its a get out of jail free card against severe damage and can easily tear down the enemies element of surprise, The Jet pack can give you the high ground, The Sprint can help you escape death and the invisiability is great for those who use it right, but none of them will stop you from being shot by a rocket.

2. I just came back from the After Hours Gamestop Halo thing and they had T-Squared teaching you HOW TO CAMP! Granted we laughed about how this "pro" was acting like a noob but it still says something.

4. They fixed Armor Lock. Toned it down quite a bit. Higher energy absorption and no EMP when you melee them, among other things.

 

[profit0004]

Since I will never buy/play this.. I have to say it does not affect me in any shape or form..

However, it seems like something that would be a headache for the company if it is ever implemented.

 

[ultimateownage]

Bungie: You are all idiots. What if someone genuinly needs to leave, or is just not having fun. Are they not allowed to leave? Punish rage quitters, not quitters. Also: Any game that becomes unbalanced due to quitters isn't very good, or has terrible auto balance.

I hate to use caps lock, but you dug up some burred rage. ONE QUIT WILL NOT GET YOU IN TROUBLE! REPEATED QUITTING IN A ROW WILL!

Firstly, use the fucking edit button, and secondly, all they have stated is that they are going to punish quitters, and there is no sure way of punishing the right type of quitters, and not the wrong type. It's possible that you are forced to quite multiple games in a row without wanting to, but Bungie haven't got cameras in your house to find out the reason for quitting. Or if someone is not having fun, and joins another game where they can't have fun. The Halo community is full of whiny teenage pricks who refuse to play properly, that's your problem right there. [sub]Halo fanboy.[/sub]

If you quit often enough to the point where you get the 15 TO 30 MINUTE TIMEOUT you deserve it. [sub]Yahtzee fanboy.[/sub]

How the fuck does Yahtzee come into this? I'm not the one who flames everyone who says something remotely negative about Halo.

Because of how much you're hating on Halo. And I'm not the one who flames everyone who says something remotely positive about Halo.

*sigh* I can't even be bothered arguing with you, you're like a fucking child just repeating everything I say back to me. Also, I'm not hating on halo, I'm hating on this particular mechanic and the fanboys. I don't even think you fucking read what I wrote, just saw a negative tone and decided to flame me for it.

Seriously, you're pretty much the only reason this has lasted so long, just fucking drop it. For christs sake, let people have their opinion.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

Bungie: You are all idiots. What if someone genuinly needs to leave, or is just not having fun. Are they not allowed to leave? Punish rage quitters, not quitters. Also: Any game that becomes unbalanced due to quitters isn't very good, or has terrible auto balance.

I hate to use caps lock, but you dug up some burred rage. ONE QUIT WILL NOT GET YOU IN TROUBLE! REPEATED QUITTING IN A ROW WILL!

Firstly, use the fucking edit button, and secondly, all they have stated is that they are going to punish quitters, and there is no sure way of punishing the right type of quitters, and not the wrong type. It's possible that you are forced to quite multiple games in a row without wanting to, but Bungie haven't got cameras in your house to find out the reason for quitting. Or if someone is not having fun, and joins another game where they can't have fun. The Halo community is full of whiny teenage pricks who refuse to play properly, that's your problem right there. [sub]Halo fanboy.[/sub]

If you quit often enough to the point where you get the 15 TO 30 MINUTE TIMEOUT you deserve it. [sub]Yahtzee fanboy.[/sub]

How the fuck does Yahtzee come into this? I'm not the one who flames everyone who says something remotely negative about Halo.

Because of how much you're hating on Halo. And I'm not the one who flames everyone who says something remotely positive about Halo.

*sigh* I can't even be bothered arguing with you, you're like a fucking child just repeating everything I say back to me. Also, I'm not hating on halo, I'm hating on this particular mechanic and the fanboys. I don't even think you fucking read what I wrote, just saw a negative tone and decided to flame me for it.

Seriously, you're pretty much the only reason this has lasted so long, just fucking drop it. For christs sake, let people have their opinion.

Look, neither of you are getting anywhere with this discussion.

HG131, you've been told several times to tone it down and I feel you owe it to the thread to let this petty argument go. You've stopped being rational and started simply snapping at anyone who has anything remotely negative to say against you or your beliefs.

Ultimateownage, you have expressed the desire to let this discussion die, so you should simply follow that instinct. If HG131 continues his ranting, be the bigger man and walk away from it.

The both of you are acting like children when it is plain to see that it serves no purpose other than to derail the original discussion and indulge in your own fallacious arguments. Stop.

OT: I like this system. Frequent rage-quitters need some sort of incentive to see a game through. Based on what I've read, it sounds nearly impossible to reach this ban unless you are being extremely finicky with the "odds" of you winning the match. And I'm not one to complain about unfair odds. You simply need to turn the game to your favor. A 5v5 match turn into a 5v1? That means they have less targets than you, and you have more of an opportunity to score. Use your knowledge of the map and their strategies to your advantage. Are they split up? If so, acquire an effective weapon for 1v1 combat and take them out one at a time. Are they in a group? Stalk the group and take them out with a sniper rifle or some kind of explosive that can perhaps kill more than one at a time. As long as you take out at least one of them for each life you have, you can't lose. There's never a valid reason to rage-quit.

Of course, that's strictly speaking for Slayer-type games. I imagine 5v1 CTF would be difficult and would essentially negate the above paragraph.

Edit: Oh, and I'd like to add that every time the rest of my team disconnects (which seems to be often), the opposing team is very gracious about the results no matter how they turn. They consistently admire your strategy and valor for even trying... Should you find a team annoying enough to deviate from this norm, you simply submit negative player reviews all the way around for Unsportsmanlike Conduct. They get a smudge on their record, and you will likely never have to endure their crap ever again. Player Reviews are the best thing to ever happen to gaming.

 

[DrEmo]

Here's a crazy thought: Why not ban them momentarily?

Looks like Bungie needs to stop working on bad multiplayer punishments and work on fixing their game. I'm no gun expert, but I think an entire clip from an assault rifle is enough to kill something at close range. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

[HEADING=1]What Bungie actually means to say on the matter is here:[/HEADING]

<quote= Bungie>So, you may be wondering why we haven't fixed the quitter problem yet. Thing is, we probably have, but we just haven't turned it on yet.
As we speak, the Banhammer is watching, amassing data about who's been quitting, the manner in which they have quit, and who suffered as a result of that quit. Numbers are feeding into complex heuristics and deep databases, and somewhere in the middle of it, our very own disembodied soul howls for revenge.

"Swing Banhammer, swing!" you cry out. Well, problem is, this is a Beta and we don't want the Banhammer swinging wildly until we know for sure that the numbers coming in are correct, and that the Beta itself is stable and not disconnecting people (creating the illusion of quitting.) Currently, we are only logging data for future action.

So what do we have in store for when it goes live next week? Let me pull back the curtain just a bit:

For starters, our Banhammer is getting more data than even Halo 3 produced, which is going to let us dial it in and more aggressively deal with habitual quitters. The real jerks are going to run into this, and then you're not going to see them online anymore. It'll be great.

Second, quitting a game will forfeit any credits you may have earned for that game. In fact, it may even cost you some credits. We're waiting to see how effective the Banhammer is before deciding exactly how much.

Lastly, and all new for Reach, we have a new type of ban called a Quitter Ban. This is a relatively soft ban, so we will be using it quite aggressively, activating after only a handful of quits and lasting a rather long time. What does it do? A player with a Quitter Ban will be temporarily unable to re-enter Matchmaking for 15-30 minutes following any further quits.

Oh, and we're playing around with some gametypes which end early (think "Sudden Death") when most of a team quits out, so that you don't need to play 8v1 Slayer to 100 (aka. "Hide and Seek".) You may see some of these in Matchmaking if we're unhappy with the other countermeasures.

As custodians of the online experience, we will be monitoring and adjusting out countermeasures as necessary to keep things ticking along nicely, without games being marred by habitual flakes who quit when they don't get the Sniper Rifle first. So in the meantime, enjoy the Beta!
And quit quitting, because we are watching, and it is going into your personal Banhammer dossier.

(Special pre-emptive note: Online game designers are familiar with "virtual guilt", whereby a perfectly upstanding, innocent player will feel irrationally nervous and guilty upon hearing about a potential punishment. And now, you're familiar with the concept too. Well, relax. We are very deliberate about our enforcement policies, and if you're not a habitual quitter, we're not going to ban you for that one time that your internet cut out. And if it cuts out every game, well, you should probably use the downtime between games to call your ISP and get a technician out. It'll be for the greater good.)

[HEADING=1]They are not talking about permanently banning people from the system based on singular acts of rage quitting!
The longest anyone will be banned for is twenty minutes and only if they are frequently quitting from matches, like ten times in a thirty minutes.[/HEADING]

Also:

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?cid=26432

Towards the end of this article it is mentioned that in fact before you even get a fifteen minute suspension, you get a weekly probation period. Bungie also note the connection issues other countries face and have done their bit to fix that up and have now got the tools needed to fix up connection issues. So the fear of being suspended based on connection issues is not something you need worry about as Bungie are aware of this problem.

good god this. people are freaking out like a fucking mob over something super simple. they aren't going to be sniping people to death that have bad connections and whatnot, just the people who ragequit and stuff, if you truly have to leave, leaving one match isn't going to do anything, short of losing some exp maybe, but even then people you need to chill out, i swear your just looking for a reason to hate the game.

 

[Catalyst6]

Why not? You must remember that you'll have to jump in and out of multiple games, quitting early each time, for the ban to drop. Who "has to suddenly do something" so many times in quick succession?

 

[aarontg]

My problem here is that it it punishes quiters but also some legit players. I play alot of online games and at home I get called off to do small chores or favors around the house often so I usually have to either quit the game I'm in or hope I get back before I go idle and get kicked for inactivity.

 

[Leftyrem]

I'm gonna say this right out: Bungie are douchebags now. If I'm new to Halo and accidentally get stuck in a match full of pros, should I just suck it up now? If I'm not okay with the game, I should have the right to leave. Even worse, what if your interrupted while gaming and have to go. If this happens some times, then what? First that bonus for PC gamers, now this? Thank you, Bungie, you've made me not want to buy this game.

It's true, ragequitters are a problem, but it's better off when they leave, otherwise they'll just whine and not care. I've played Halo 3 very much, and I've been stuck in impossible games over and over. It's not fun to have to quit. And I think it's my bloody right to leave the game if I'm not having fun. Shouldn't it be fun for everyone?

EDIT: Okay, I've received enough quotes, please leave this post alone.

im sorry i had to add one more but alot of the time its rage quits that piss everyone off

 

[DazBurger]

Here's a crazy thought: Why not ban them momentarily?

Looks like Bungie needs to stop working on bad multiplayer punishments and work on fixing their game. I'm no gun expert, but I think an entire clip from an assault rifle is enough to kill something at close range. Wouldn't you agree?

It will, IF you can hit.


And as about 10 others have said allready. The bans will be a maximum of 20 mins.



And I think everyone gets, that not everyone likes Halo, no one likes all games, so why the need to rub it in the fans faces.

Thats kinda... Attention-whore-ish.