All these new additions are just a gimmick to keep a franchise that should've bit the bullet by now going. The peak has long gone and it's now in the downward spiral phase.
Has Pokemon jumped the shark?
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Not really, if anything the series has evolved over time. The inclusions of EV's and IV's, a more profound story, and different evolution types are signs of that. In my opinion (and this opinion may very well be "jumping the shark"), the mega evolutions in X and Y are an allegory of sorts for moving from 2D to 3D...so in a sense...the series Mega Evolved. A stretch I know but it's something that I like to think. Granted some of the Pokemon designs have been lackluster but I have only see growth from this series ever since I started with Yellow
Except that they introduced it in a game that has an EV-training minigame. So not as useful.Spambot 3000 said:
It's an older flame bait but it checks out.JazzJack2 said:
OT. I dont think its jumped the shark so much as its nearing a brick wall. They still keep trying to stick to the classic formula but its only going to get them so far.
you're assuming people that play Pokemon don't play other jRPG's. I've played the hell out of FF VI, Secret of Mana, Legend of Mana, FF IX, FF VII, SMT, Persona, etc. and still on a yearly basis I buy the next Pokemon game.FrostDragon said:
The games are fun, a higher level of education and sophisticated systems don't make a game better, at the end of the day fun factor is all that matters, stop pretending you're so much more educated/better than all of us who enjoy Pokemon
Super Training takes forever, and you can only train one pokemon at a time. You can get like 50-100EVs in one stat per horde battles, and EVs are spread with EXP share, unlike super training.Loop Stricken said:
Super Training is the 'fun' way to EV train. Horde battles are the efficient/fast way
Nope. Pokemon added a nice new mechanic that can changes up the formula.rosac said:
Mega Evolutions don't just introduce new pokemon possibilities but also grant new strategies or even focuses for teams to work with.
Lets say I wanted to use Mega-Abomasnow for some reason, I now have a vastly improved version of Abomasnow but with Abomasnowite in place, I have a team to craft that centers around hail and slow speed. (As bad of a team as that is, it can be done effectively with good decision making.)
Hail Room is legit in doubles bro.Terminate421 said:
They did that. A lot of old pokemon have had their Base Stat Total increased in this generation. Off the top of my head, Raichu got 10 more speed and Nidoking got 10 more attack. I know there were waaaay more who got buffed tho.rosac said:
I diagree. Some Megas function differently than their original forms, but none of them are 'worse'. Mega Garchomp's 98 Speed might be worse than his default form, but it's fast enough to out speed every defensive pokemon, and the massive buff to his offensive stats means that he is more unpredictable and more difficult to wall. Mega Tyranitar/Scizor are better at using stat boosting moves because of the added defenses/speed, Mega Gyarados sacrifices its good defensive typing to smash through his base form's would be counters thanks to Mold Breaker (Mold Breaker > Thick Fat, Water Absorb, Storm Drain, Unaware, Levitate, Multiscale, etc.).
To be fair, those pokemon's stats were on par with most fully evolved mons already (Heracross, Pinsir), so a full on evolution might be kind of nuts.
I dont think pokemon jumped the shark here. This just keeps old mons from becoming completely obscure by mixing up what theyre capable of.
Mega-Evolutions are essentially just there to help nullify the amount of Power Creep that has happened over the past 6 generations. The easiest example is Charizard, he's a fan favorite Pokemon who everyone loves, but he is useless in competeitive battling due to his typing. Solution; Give him a Mega Evolution that makes him dragon type.duwenbasden said:
Has Pokemon "jumped the shark"? No, not really. See, Pokemon has remained fairly constant throughout its lifespan; which is why it remains so attractive to the younger audiences the games were originally aimed towards. Pokemon changes just enough with each new iteration to keep (many of) us old farts interested, but at its heart, Pokemon is the same game every time. That kind of consistency can't possibly "jump the shark". Mo matter what they're doing with evolutions, pre-evolutions, new items, etc., it's still the same game with a slightly different meta. Sure, it may change too much for some people's tastes (I liked a metagame where Alakazam was unbeatable!), and it certainly has come a long way since its inception, but ultimately, that's all it is.
...and I'm OK with that.
...and I'm OK with that.
Actually I've felt theyve gotten progressively better. I don't mind the idea of mega evolutions, though i would like tos ee more than fan favorites (charizard, gardevoir, scizor, blaziken) and pokemon that don't need them (metagross, mewtwo, garchomp). Lets see guys like grumpig, camerupt, lopunny, girafirig. Hell, I wouldnt mind them giving them to 2nd teir evolutions, let them compete with their FE counterparts. I like most everything they added, hordes especially since you get pokemon with less than common abilities.
besides, I dont know if you can jump the shark if youre still doing what they've always done at your base.
besides, I dont know if you can jump the shark if youre still doing what they've always done at your base.
not really.. mega-evolution is kinda stupid I admit but adding fairy type was a good move among the fanbase there has been a general undercurrent of "we need a light type" and "dragon type is overpowered" fairy type pretty much shut up those rumbles
as for horde battles its a logical step forward makes things feel a bit more natural most seem to love or like them
as for *insert thing* battles multiable gens have some battle gimmick the only one that stuck were doubles and the fact you can decline a sky battle is nice (wish they had done that for triples and rotation ones)
privet opinion but I kinda think rotation were ripped off from the fossil fighters series which in all honisty does them a lot better (but all fossil battles are rotation so they kinda have to be) (its not a super well known series but its good and has enough fans it has spawned 2 regular DS games and has a 3DS one pending as of E3)
as for horde battles its a logical step forward makes things feel a bit more natural most seem to love or like them
as for *insert thing* battles multiable gens have some battle gimmick the only one that stuck were doubles and the fact you can decline a sky battle is nice (wish they had done that for triples and rotation ones)
privet opinion but I kinda think rotation were ripped off from the fossil fighters series which in all honisty does them a lot better (but all fossil battles are rotation so they kinda have to be) (its not a super well known series but its good and has enough fans it has spawned 2 regular DS games and has a 3DS one pending as of E3)
... providing your entire party needs those specific stats and you get the right horde to begin with.suntt123 said: