Hating Halo

[Bretty]

I was unhappy about Halo being stolen from the PC 8)

But I liked the first one (even though it was about 3 years old by the time they released it.)

The others were pure milk and offered nothing innovative or improved. IMO the most hyped series to date. But you cant blame Microsoft for that, it sold many Xboxs.

 

[Spleenbag]

I suppose it comes down to wording for me. Let me explain:

I, for example, enjoyed Halo 3 immensely when it was new. I love setpiece shooters and played co-op was a blast. I have since traded it for something else online but I enjoyed it and I think it's one of the best games to have with friends around besides the Call of Duty games.

Now let us examine the ways people insult this.

Type A: "Well, you can go ahead and like it (you're wrong, of course)."

This is ridiculous. You cannot be wrong in stating which thing creates happy impulses in your brain. Obviously this is not what they are getting at, but the statement is absurd. Passing judgment on what is okay to like and what is not? Again, absurd.

Type B: "Obviously anyone who likes Halo must be [mental condition] and have never played anything better."

How preposterous. I've played plenty of games I enjoy more but Halo is solid, reliable fun. Why should the sure pick make me [mental condition]?

Type B2: "Obviously anyone who likes Halo must be [mental condition] and have never played anything better. The graphics are [this], the story is [that], the guns are [other thing] and it's shitty."

A subtype of the above, obviously, where the statement is supported. At least they're doing something right by supporting their statement, but do they need to be so inflammatory? Of course not!

Now let us assume I dislike Halo.

Type C: "Dude, you're such an [insult]! I'm level 52 in that game and I fucking beast everyone!"

This is the more stereotypical fanboy approach. Why does your happiness in the game equate to how much happiness I should have with it? This makes no sense.

The bottom line: Do not be inflammatory, please. Do not automatically generalize or assume based on somebody's tastes and dislikes, no matter how shitty you think those tastes are! For the love of God/Yahweh/Buddha/Jesus/Vishnu/nothing at all, release only statements that show your opinion and don't attack any other positions UNLESS you are specifically debating something. Otherwise, release your opinion in a civil manner, civilly counterpoint other positions if you wish, but don't insult, don't flame, don't fucking judge or assume ANYTHING.

/standard rant

 

[r0qu3]

Not really i think what pisses most people off is that they actually played a lot of FPS's and don't see the fuzz about this more than average shooter...its just simply that i cannot hear about how awesome it is, just because its the first console-shooter who worked...


Its the praise it gets and don't deserve because it never brought anything new to the genre...

...and that said, i think the hate is not really about the game itself (its average but not bad at all) but against the zealous Halo players who seem to never had played a proper FPS...


But in the end nothing of that really matters, the franchise is successful and so its easy to oppose it....just like microsoft or telekom (for the germans)...

 

[NotAPie]

It's all about opinion. I enjoy the Halo games, but it is a really overrated series.

Pretty much what you said.

 

[hagaya]

I do know a lot of people who hate Halo just to be different, but it is a pretty great series (especially if you exclude Halo Wars and ODST, seriously, screw ODST). And it is definitely by no means average, anyone who as ever played a custom game in Halo 3 can tell you that.

Welcome to the Escapist.

I have legitimate reasons to hate the Halo series (although specifically 2 and 3), but I would like to talk about your post specifically. Halo 3 is quite average; the box had a set of simply made (admittedly visually detailed) symmetrical and asymmetrical maps. The weapon variety was standard fare; pistol, rifle, shotgun, sniper, RPG, SMG, with a colorful variant of each and a few gimmick weapons.

There wasn't anything too special about custom games and the mapmaker; that idea was already exhausted of every mod community since the original Doom had the source code released. The idea was making the modding concept open to the community, but it removes all thought from making them and they boil down to low gravity, high speed, and top-tier weapons. There is a little imagination in it, but it doesn't really reinvent the game because it's tied to the same ten or so game-types.

Halo is a good game only if you can't get anything else. It's acceptable, but you can do loads better spending the money on a PC fps. The mod community adds more value to the game, with new maps, variants, and even an entirely new game (What you can play by buying Half-Life 2 and only Half-Life 2.

 

[LackingSaint]

Personally? Because it's one of the greatest selling games of all time despite doing nothing new with the genre and being pretty bland and average. I don't seem to understand why agreeing with a large percentage of people is 'following a trend'. Also, people in this forum play alot of games, so when somebody who's only ever played Console FPS runs in screaming "Halo is my fav game they just do everything right!!" Yes people will be angry.

 

[blood77]

Well I can't speak for ever one else, but I don't hate halo. I just sometimes hate the jerks who play halo.

 

[MGlBlaze]

I'm going to admit, I myself have only ever played Halo 3, so there's probably a lot I don't know, but I'll say what I can from what I DO know.

I found the single-player on Halo 3 to be very, very non-stimulating. Co-op helps a bit, but not much; I never really got into the campaign and couldn't really be bothered playing past the first couple of levels.

I will say that the multiplayer is a blast with a bunch of people (Just make sure they're GOOD people, preferable a local multiplayer. I've heard very bad things about the general Halo 3 online community...), and I did have fun with that, but it feels like the game is a multiplayer with a tacked-on single player, and need to pay the price of a full game for... as well as an XBL Gold account subscription. (But that's another rant entirely. Let's just say I have my own opinions on needing the Gold account to play online, and I very much dislike it. That's more something against Microsoft than Halo 3 specifically, though. It's also why I'm mostly a PC gamer.)

Halo 3 isn't strictly a BAD game, but I have no idea how the series got such a massive fan-following. The weapon selection is alright, but the single-player campaign is short (and yet I still couldn't be bothered finishing it. I don't own the game myself, mind, I was playing it at someone else's.), and pretty much all the enjoyment in the game takes place online, which isn't in itself bad, but look at something like Call of Duty 4. It has an awesome multiplayer too, but I also really enjoyed the single-player campaign.

It might be a game I would consider getting at some point, but I'd also say that it's only something you should get if you REALLY can't find better. And I mean from any generation; go and look at older games to see if there are any gems you missed the first time around.

In fact, even after that, see if there are any awesome mods and get a good game for free out of one you already have before you get Halo 3, too.

 

[BlackIronGuardian]

I'll agree inasmuch as I went through that phase. Blame it on Yahtzee. but then I grew a brain and realized I liked it.

 

[Olikunmissile]

These people doing this are the ones that have come to the Escapist by watching Yahtzee and seem to think he's so cool they must act like him in every sense. Which is retarded since Yahtzee actually hates fan boys.

Funnily enough The Escapist members are so torn over the issue of which is better, we have a gentlemans agreement for no halo threads. The new guy obviously didn't get the message. ¬_¬

Then if you go over to www.tvtropes.org, they claim every member here blindly follows whatever Ben Croshaw says. Funnily enough, you can tell which members are usless idiots due to their ZP avatar and constant quotes.

Grr i hate people sometimes.

I hate people all the time. But that's because people have this irresistible urge to make demi gods out of people who do things like 5 minuet videos once a week. Hmm.

 

[Yopaz]

I haven't actually seen the big Halo hate trend you talk about, but what I have noticed is that Halo players often hate Half-Life and Half-Life players usually hate Halo. In other words this is just a good old fashioned fan boy war. Just like everyone says the L Block from Tetris is a better game character than Sonic.
Just do what I do. Don't care about what the masses think. I always say that the big majority is stupid, but single individuals are smart.

 

[ethaninja]

Yep. But I actually always hated Halo LONG before it came out...

No, nuh-uh. You have to justify statements like that. You can't hate something before it comes out, because you've never played it.

Of course, I'd venture a guess that many people who claim they hate Halo have never played it, but they're the bleating drones that you can just block out.

Ok, thats a joke taken a little to seriously. Yes I have played it, and finished it, but what I mean is, I hated it so much, it was as if the impossible became possible... do you get me?

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

It's not new.

It may not be new, but why is it happening?

Cause Halo may be good, but it isn't god. It has many short fallings, yet people still used to worship it like it was jesus. So the rest of the people would ***** at them opr convince them ortherwise, until everybody realises halo is as beast as everyone used to think.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

no.
It's because people around here have played many games. it's not a trend.
that would make people stupid if they followed a trend just to say something to be the 'Coolz'.
It's called opinions. many people on this site are prepared to share them.

Many people (noobjoob) obviously do insult halo just to be "coolz"

 

[Fuhjem]

People hate Halo because it is generic, which is all I hear from reviewers.

It IS generic, but that doesn't mean it is bad.

Halo fulfills 3 basic psychological needs.

Autonomy - Free choice, or the illusion of free choice.

Mastery - The feeling that you are the top dog, you are the best.

Sociability - Socializing with others and having fun.

That is why it ISN'T bad, but it's generic theme is what makes it NOT great.

 

[cyber_andyy]

It was just so underwhelming. That and the worst netcode I have ever seen.

However, this is CE im talking about.

 

[NBSRDan]

People don't hate Halo because it's 'cool' - they do it because they're stupid and honestly believe it's not a great game/series.

 

[CerealKiller]

I personally believe that most of people do it because halo got so much attention.People sometimes bash something just because they're tired of hearing about it and i believe that many hate halo for this reason.
Personally i don't hate it but i do hate bungie for not realeasing halo 3 for pc (dunno,maybe they will in a couple of centuries >_> )

 

[Volodanti]

bunch of posers, i was hating Halo back when it wasn't cool... actually no i wasn't, i just never found it that great a game - alright, but not great. its the fan boys i hate, and the attitude people have when playing online... why is there always one team/spawn-killing idiot who yells at people for spamming and camping? if someone can prove me wrong then i will apologise to bungie themselves.

 

[irishstormtrooper]

It's not new.

It may not be new, but why is it happening?

It's happening because there are people who are more than happy to start "I HATE HALOZ" threads, but not many who want to say "Halo, all in all, isn't all that bad". The reason it seems cool is that the haters are the only people talking about it.