"Hatred" Reveal Trailer. Or as I like to call it, "The Next Big Controversy"

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Gladion

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Oh man, !4-year-old-me would totally buy this.
And 14-year-old-me would talk to you about it at school all day long.

Seriously, though, pretty much everything about this trailer is embarrassing. The monologue seems directly ripped out of House of the Dead Overkill minus the self-awareness.

It is time for me to kill... and it is time for me to die!
 

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Gladion said:
Zhukov said:
Oh man, !4-year-old-me would totally buy this.
And 14-year-old-me would talk to you about it at school all day long.

Seriously, though, pretty much everything about this trailer is embarrassing. The monologue seems directly ripped out of House of the Dead Overkill minus the self-awareness.

It is time for me to kill... and it is time for me to die!
I like how this thread seems to have turned into comparing this game to games that are way better.
This bodes well for its future release.
 

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No, yeah, I'm picking this over brooding uninspired bullshit any day.
Except this is brooding and uninspired bullshit. This is the most brooding game I've seen ever.
 

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So... someone really decided we needed A new ZOGs Nightmare, and wants to get it on Steam?

yeah... this is really not boding well at all.
 

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Say what you want, being politically incorrect seems to be working for them.

Already people are calling them crazy, edgy, tryhards, childish and what not. Cmon on. Theres a fucking goat simulator! I really don't want to use relative fallacy here, but please. Think for a second. Judge the context and quality of this trailer with Goat Simulator sitting next to it, and tell me again how tryhard, random, edgy and childish it is.

All we know, the game might be good. Are we judging the quality of the context or the context's subject itself?

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And after rewatching the trailer, are we seriously questioning the mental health of a character that goes Postal? Obviously, the context would be better if it was a love story or revenge trip.
 

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Popido said:
Say what you want, being politically incorrect seems to be working for them.

Already people are calling them crazy, edgy, tryhards, childish and what not. Cmon on. Theres a fucking goat simulator! I really don't want to use relative fallacy here, but please. Think for a second. Judge the context and quality of this trailer with Goat Simulator sitting next to it, and tell me again how tryhard, random, edgy and childish it is.

All we know, the game might be good. Are we judging the quality of the context or the context's subject itself?
It's certainly working, all right.

[link]http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/10/16/the-video-game-morality-questions-raised-by-mass-murder-simulator-hatred/[/link]
[link]http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/16/6988687/the-worst-trailer-of-the-year-revels-in-slaughtering-innocents[/link]

I still don't know what to think after processing it since yesterday.

I'm starting to think it's more meta-commentary than anything else. Reading how some people talk about being the bad guy, the horrible shit they did in games like Fallout and GTA with glee, you'd think people would be alright with this 'specially after Postal.

I guess it's the reactions of the civilians. Usually they're either running around yelling their heads off or letting loose annoying quips. Here, though, they seem to build the impression of fear and wanting to live. Strikes a harder chord, I'd imagine.

That, or Not Important looks like the stereotypical high school outcast.
 

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Popido said:
Say what you want, being politically incorrect seems to be working for them.

Already people are calling them crazy, edgy, tryhards, childish and what not. Cmon on. Theres a fucking goat simulator! I really don't want to use relative fallacy here, but please. Think for a second. Judge the context and quality of this trailer with Goat Simulator sitting next to it, and tell me again how tryhard, random, edgy and childish it is.

All we know, the game might be good. Are we judging the quality of the context or the context's subject itself?

Edit:
And after rewatching the trailer, are we seriously questioning the mental health of a character that goes Postal? Obviously, the context would be better if it was a love story or revenge trip.
You're assuming that I actually liked Goat simulator. They're both bad games its just that this one is so pretentios and straight faced about it that it just rubs me the wrong way.
As far as I see it both this game and goat simulator are the exact same game with the exact same fan base.
 

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So basically they made a shitty generic game with nothing going for it and are hoping to sell off controversy. I think everyone should just forget about it, ignore it and hope the developers come up with something better to spend time.
Pretty much what you wrote. The media controversy due to this game will promote and sell it for them.
 

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As many has said before me, it's obvious that the game is trying really REALLY hard to be edgy and go against the stream of modern culture. But honestly violence is (ironically) the safest way to be edgy, to the point that barely anyone cares about anymore.

You know what would actually be edgy in a video-game? If the main character was in a healthy homosexual relationship.
 

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Herman Hedning said:
You know what would actually be edgy in a video-game? If the main character was in a healthy homosexual relationship.
Army of Two? I found it progressive for its portrayal of two very, very masculine non-stereotypical homosexual males engaged in a deep and understanding relationship but it seemed lacking in the gameplay department.


On the subject of Hatred...yeah, that game looks groan-worthy. If it were on consoles, I'd assume preorders would include a box of band aids so you don't cut yourself on that EDGE
 

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Bombiz said:
Popido said:
Say what you want, being politically incorrect seems to be working for them.

Already people are calling them crazy, edgy, tryhards, childish and what not. Cmon on. Theres a fucking goat simulator! I really don't want to use relative fallacy here, but please. Think for a second. Judge the context and quality of this trailer with Goat Simulator sitting next to it, and tell me again how tryhard, random, edgy and childish it is.

All we know, the game might be good. Are we judging the quality of the context or the context's subject itself?

Edit:
And after rewatching the trailer, are we seriously questioning the mental health of a character that goes Postal? Obviously, the context would be better if it was a love story or revenge trip.
You're assuming that I actually liked Goat simulator. They're both bad games its just that this one is so pretentios and straight faced about it that it just rubs me the wrong way.
As far as I see it both this game and goat simulator are the exact same game with the exact same fan base.
Then let's take the other end of the spectrum and compare it to Blood Money. Another pretentios and straight faced game about killing innocent people for no higher ideologies. Or love.
 

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Gotta be honest, the actual shooting and gameplay mechanics actually look pretty dang good, and the environmental destruction looks well done. It kind of looks like a darker version of the awesome "Alien Shooter" with much better graphics.

But as many have said, if 90% of the game is just shooting unarmed civilians for sheer shock value, then no thanks.

Also, the main character looks like the love-child of Rob Zombie and Nathan Explosion.
 

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Looks a bit crap if you ask me. Most games that work the controversy angle this hard tend to be.
 

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Needs a "This is what teenagers actually believe" note running at the bottom.

I could get a similar experience just murdering random civilians in Assassin's Creed (get booted for synch, rinse repeat I guess). The problem is that it would be... really boring.
 

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"Look how super edgy we are guys, seriously!" the game. I can´t help but think this is the kind of game someone like anders breivik would make.
 

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Havent had a chance to watch the trailer yet, but as a big fan of games with similar themes (Postal 1-2, Manhunt 1-2) I think the game could be interesting. Sadly, I expect the game, if it actually does get released, won't be very good mechanically. As much as I love Postal's concept, it was fairly average as a gameplay experience and Manhunt was downright bad, despite being made by big name Rockstar. However, if this "Hatred" game is what I currently think it might be, a game about a serial killer, it could potentially be interesting and maybe even fun. Hotline Miami showed us recently that a game with fun action can have a seriously dark protagonist, although more was left open to interpretation. I usually like controversial games, I think they are important to video games as a medium, even if they become punching bags for media to blame controversy on, they are important and I like thinking about them. The fact that someone showed Postal 2 footage to the Supreme Court makes me laugh just thinking about it.

The one thing I personally hope the game doesn't do is try and take the idea too far, which in my opinion would be to tie some significant political or ideological reasoning behind the actions. It is disturbing to play a game where you play a spree killer/rampage style person, but it isn't unusual, especially depending on your own opinions. However, if the game makes any real significant attempts at focusing your actions against a certain group I will be disappointed because I think any legitimate conversations to be had about the game's content would immediately be overshadowed by the inevitable argument over the groups picked out. However, a game about a person giving up and committing an atrocity is fairly interesting, and we have seen games take similar stances and be praised for it, Spec Ops The Line did something similar but with something much more real and depressing in my opinion and I think people respected it for it. I think it will depend on how the developers handle the content and message of the game. Although, reading through their inspiration, they might not be worth putting faith into, Postal is the only series that has ever pulled off the anti political correctness angle for me, and I know I am in the minority in saying that Postal did it correctly.
 

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MY GENOCIDE CRUSADEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
CANT YOU SEE ITS SO VERY EDGE YOU GUYS IM SERIOUSLYYY

It's kinda funny to be honest. If pushed a little further, it'd make a hilarious parody game of all the edgy bullshit.
 

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Longing said:
Guerilla said:
Looks fun, I like it. Always loved anti-hero movies and games, they're usually pretty interesting.
I don't think he quite fits the criteria of an antihero.
Yeah it's more full on villain protagonist, a real rarity.

OT: A friend of mine showed me this last night and all I thought about was the inevitable controversy this will probably spur. The sad thing is I'll probably buy this since I'm somewhat of a sucker for the ultraviolence.
 

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So... it could be like Spec Ops: The Line or Hotline Miami... or it could make Shadow the Hedgehog really proud of itself. We don't know yet. It should be no coincidence that the title uses the Doom font. I can also recall coming a cross a side-scrolling flash game kinda like this that took place entirely in a school for you to shoot everyone up before the cops showed up. That was rather uncomfortable to play, both thematically and mechanically.

Elfgore said:
Man, the edginess is almost too much for me to handle!!!

But seriously, even if I liked these types of shooters, I wouldn't buy this. There is a thing as too much gore and it honestly just looks like something some douchebags made to get media attention. Like that movie Rage.
I didn't see one single frame of gore in that entire trailer. Blood and dismemberment are not the same thing as gore.

If they really wanted to get edgy with the violence, I think they'd have to 1-up Brutal Doom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89iszJNcKQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpdzGkSH96Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn2J4Loe57g
 

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Everything about this game is so insultingly dumb I want nothing more for it to be some masterful level of satire and parody. Unfortunately I can't really see any angle that this would work. Unless I'm missing something or unless the developers are going for the long con, there is nothing presented in this trailer or on the website that says "self aware satire".

Consider what the website says about the game:

The question you may ask is: why do they do this? These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment ? we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure. Here comes our game, which takes no prisoners and makes no excuses. We say ?yes, it is a game about killing people? and the only reason of the antagonist doing that sick stuff is his deep-rooted hatred. Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder
The only way I can see this statement and the trailer turning out to be some critique of gaming patterns a la Spec Ops is if they are straight up lying to us. It might be the case, and I'll be the first one to say "whelp, I was wrong" if it is, but it just makes so much more sense to assume this is just a shit idea for a game, these guys (who are making their first game, for what it's worth) are playing it straight, and it really is just about killing people with no higher message. The edgy tone and any controversy is being played up as much it can to get people to buy it (because it probably won't stand up on it's own).

Tone and theme and context definitely play into how the content of a piece of media is accepted and my head spins when I read people not getting this. Saying "Hatred is like every other twin stick shooter out there right now" is completely off because, while the general idea (shoot *enemy* using these *mechanics*) might be similar, the context and tone is completely different. Fighting hordes of hostile aliens is completely different to hunting unarmed and innocent people. Think about why American Psycho is a good film, despite it's violence, and Saw VI isn't. Violence isn't inherently *wrong* or *low-brow* or *lazy*, it's what's done with the violence, and what's happening around the violence that makes it work or not work.

The comparisons to GTA are interesting to me because I disliked pretty much everything about Trevor in GTA V for a lot of the same reasons I dislike the idea of this game. Veering off topic for a second, Trevor felt like a reaction Rockstar made in response to the "GTA IV wasn't as whacky as the other ones" cries from the community. I feel like they didn't want to go back to that level of needless violence, so they threw in a zany side character that can do all the rampages and killing the fans of older GTA games like. Hatred looks like pretty much the same reaction, except without Rockstars writing and storytelling ability. But the biggest difference between this game and GTA is that GTA (outside of the rampages *...sigh..*) doesn't need you to kill sex workers and take their money or fire rockets into traffic for no reason. Sure, they allow you to do it because (probably because it's a leftover from the old top down games, right?) they want you to have the freedom to live as a criminal in their world, but it's entirely possible to go through the game without doing it.

And that's the difference here, isn't it? And this is the point of conflict. Some games allow unarmed civilians to get killed within the context of the universe, but Hatred and the context of Hatred *is* killing unarmed civilians.

TL;DR, it's a game that will get released despite all the bad press it gets, and it'll sell kind of well *because* of all that bad press, and it'll probably a mediocre game once the novelty wears off. The controversy this game generate will give it more attention than it deserves.