Have you ever used Cocaine?

[RustlessPotato]

Snip 2: The Snippening .

Let me first repost what I already said to another guy.

"It's true now. That's why i was imagining a world where the government would have total control of the hard drugs supply and you would only be allowed to use it in appointed buildings where at all times they would be watched when high and always have acces to rehab. If we would get that, there wouldn't really be so much a need for a black market where you would get those drugs illegally and the drugs would be of better quality altogether. Though you always have some stuff no one should ever use, like that "krokodil" drug in Russia.

I know it's not a reality and i'm not advocating drugs. But I find the attitude of some governments on them a bit dated. When their "war on drugs" is failing, they should look for an alternative (looking at you, U.S of A). Why not legalise it and tax it ? Especially weed ? Especially if you can get it by saying you hurt your back ? I mean even Colombia is to enact the legalization of drugs.

There are probably some factors i'm not aware of though, because i'm from Belgium, so feel free to educate me. "

I know my view is built on a Utopian world and what i was describing is highly unrealistic, But i'm still against making everything illegal. When your system fails, you have to change it. People are going to be able to get it anyways, so you have to be able to control it some ways, why not let the goverment, instead of buying it from the cartels (I never implied they'd do that), manufacture their own drugs. No need to buy it from the cartels. I wouldn't mind drugs being legal under full and total control of the government.

I mean, alcohol was illegal at one point.

I know the repercutions of drugs, I study Biomedical Sciences.

Also, my captcha is Patch of Grass xD.

 

[flarty]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

 

[Obsideo]

I've done it... 4 times, if I remember correctly.

The first three, I felt a slight buzz but it wasn't as crazy as I was expecting. The fourth time, it was mixed with something else and it made my girlfriend and I go crazy and we had sex for 5 straight hours.


Keep in mind that these are all months apart and I haven't used it since then, which was around 6 months ago. I like it.

 

[RJ 17]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

 

[flarty]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

they cross pollinate strains to create stronger weed. weed has increased in strength stupendously since the days of the hippies in the 60's hence why they believe it can cause psychosis in certain individuals, which while still up for debate i definetly believe it to be true after smoking a fair bit of it myself.

Not even to mention gangs sprinkling glass onto the buds to increase wieght.

 

[cookingwithrage]

Legalize and regulate all of them From heroin to weed. The most intoxicating drug on the planet is already legal, as is the deadliest (alcohol and cigarettes respectively).

"why can't anyone do what they want to themselves?"

If say we only legalized drugs now (not opening up state sponsored grow ops etc.), we would basically supporting an enormous criminal infrastructure, pretty much making us part responsible for bloodshed going on in South America right now.
..Although we did lose the war on drugs before we started...

I still think we should legalize everything, just be smarter about it.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Haven't used it. There was an oportunity at this a party but I didn't really feel like it.

Don't really think it should be legal, it's way too deadly. I mean is it even possible for a coke user to survive for more than a couple of years at most? There's also the issue of decreased productivity, and considering that the population of my country is aging we have enough problems as it is. So it's just not a very good idea.

Although you have to wonder how much banning drugs actually affects whether or not people will use them.

 

[Dags90]

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Please define "natural strain", because I believe by the definition you're using would put almost all crops into the "unnatural" category. Selective breeding has occurred for every domesticated plant, it's integral to the process of plant domestication. I'm not yet aware of anything like transgenic weed.

 

[Mint Rubber]

sorry double post

 

[Mint Rubber]

no offense, but you sound like someone who has no experience with drugs or researched anything about the matter either.

Of course I don't have experience with TAKING drugs, that's the whole idea of my post.

Once you talk to a few people who work inside the drug-prevention/enforcement system, once you hear a few of the horror stories...it's enough.

=> i never said I researched anything.

My whole message was anti-drugs at a personal level. I don't have any statistics or studies, just logic and common sense.
I'm sorry if that is not enough.

 

[RJ 17]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

they cross pollinate strains to create stronger weed. weed has increased in strength stupendously since the days of the hippies in the 60's hence why they believe it can cause psychosis in certain individuals, which while still up for debate i definetly believe it to be true after smoking a fair bit of it myself.

Not even to mention gangs sprinkling glass onto the buds to increase wieght.

About the gangs: that's why I've got a buddy that grows his own.

As for the cross pollination, that's...cross pollination. It's not chemically altering the plant once you've clipped it. It's not spraying it with Windex to make it stick in brick-form. It's not sprinkling glass into it to increase the weight.

So as I said: you CAN do stuff to it, but it is not necessary (and ill advised unless you're a shady, douchey dealer).

 

[The Pinray]

If you can name it, and it doesn't involve a needle, I had more than likely used it.

High school (and some college) was wild.

I'm clean now, though. I'd say just keep the drugs illegal. They lead to nothing good.

Marijuana is fine though. I still don't understand why it's not legal.

 

[flarty]

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Please define "natural strain", because I believe by the definition you're using would put almost all crops into the "unnatural" category. Selective breeding has occurred for every domesticated plant, it's integral to the process of plant domestication. I'm not yet aware of anything like transgenic weed.

yeah if it occurs at a natural level from bees and insects then fair enough, but when cross pollinating 2 different plants from opposite sides of the world, then i wouldnt call that natural.

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

they cross pollinate strains to create stronger weed. weed has increased in strength stupendously since the days of the hippies in the 60's hence why they believe it can cause psychosis in certain individuals, which while still up for debate i definetly believe it to be true after smoking a fair bit of it myself.

Not even to mention gangs sprinkling glass onto the buds to increase wieght.

About the gangs: that's why I've got a buddy that grows his own.

As for the cross pollination, that's...cross pollination. It's not chemically altering the plant once you've clipped it. It's not spraying it with Windex to make it stick in brick-form. It's not sprinkling glass into it to increase the weight.

So as I said: you CAN do stuff to it, but it is not necessary (and ill advised unless you're a shady, douchey dealer).

Well it just seems that your under the impression that weed is harmless, when no drug is truly harmless.

no offense, but you sound like someone who has no experience with drugs or researched anything about the matter either.

Of course I don't have experience with TAKING drugs, that's the whole idea of my post.

Once you talk to a few people who work inside the drug-prevention/enforcement system, once you hear a few of the horror stories...it's enough.

=> i never said I researched anything.

My whole message was anti-drugs at a personal level. I don't have any statistics or studies, just logic and common sense.
I'm sorry if that is not enough.

sorry if you stated later in the post that it was your opinion, i'm trying to read these posts with a toddler running wild and may miss the odd line (no pun intended considering the title topic)

 

[jpoon]

I've done it a couple times, it's a blast but as everyone knows it's extremely taxing on the body and mind. Haven't tried it again in years now, and i plan to keep it that way...I'm just going to go straight to crack!


Captcha: gravy train
Damn straight!

 

[RJ 17]

This thread is likely going to be locked down...they don't like talking about drugs on this forum.

But the topic hasn't been locked yet so I'll say this:

Drugs are man-made substances, weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements".

...

Um...

Ok, disregarding the whole idiocy of the "natural means it's good" thing (Lolopium), cocaine actually is refined from a plant as well.

There are plants/fungi/etc out there that can fuck you up. They're still drugs. They're psychoactive, therefore they are drugs.

You said yourself, "cocaine is refined from a plant". That means it's man-made. There's no cocaine plant out there you can go out, find, and do some lines from. It has to be prepared, therefore it is a drug.

The plants/fungi/etc out there that fuck you up, if taken by themselves, aren't drugs...they're plants/fungi/etc that can fuck you up.

And I never said "natural = good", I said "Weed grows naturally. As such, weed is not a drug and there shouldn't be anything that keeps people from enjoying their "herbal supplements". Specifically: weed. I don't believe I ever made mention of any other plants/fungi/etc, nor did I ever make the connection that we should go out and start eating/licking/sniffing everything we find in nature.

In short, all I said was that weed wasn't truly a drug, and I stand by that.

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Indeed, but it is not necessary to do anything to the plant. You grow it, you clip it, you smoke/vaporize/whatever it. Can you do stuff to it? Sure, but it's fine as-is.

they cross pollinate strains to create stronger weed. weed has increased in strength stupendously since the days of the hippies in the 60's hence why they believe it can cause psychosis in certain individuals, which while still up for debate i definetly believe it to be true after smoking a fair bit of it myself.

Not even to mention gangs sprinkling glass onto the buds to increase wieght.

About the gangs: that's why I've got a buddy that grows his own.

As for the cross pollination, that's...cross pollination. It's not chemically altering the plant once you've clipped it. It's not spraying it with Windex to make it stick in brick-form. It's not sprinkling glass into it to increase the weight.

So as I said: you CAN do stuff to it, but it is not necessary (and ill advised unless you're a shady, douchey dealer).

Well it just seems that your under the impression that weed is harmless, when no drug is truly harmless.

Never said it wasn't harmless. Again: I'm saying it shouldn't be classified as a drug.

Though of the various mind-altering things out there, I'd argue that weed is the most harmless of them.

 

[flarty]

Fair enough, but that is up for debate. Personally my vote would go to mushrooms or dmt.

 

[liquidsolid]

I did it once a few years ago just to try it out. I haven't done it since then and don't plan on ever doing it again. It's really expensive and the 'good feeling' doesn't last very long.

I advocate the legalization of marijuana because it is a generally harmless substance with low addiction rates (those addicted are psychologically addicted which is also possible with non-substances such as...VIDEO GAMES LOL). However, cocaine is a harmful drug that causes its users to be severely addicted. I see no reason for cocaine to be legalized.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I have, once. I didn't like it very much, I didn't feel very in control. I think, I can appreciate why people take drugs like it for the buzz, but it's too much for me to really handle, plus the health effects are pretty massive.

I don't think it should be legalised in any form. I'm really quite liberal towards drugs; I'm all for mdma and marijuana, but cocaine is pretty dangerous (I know I've just said I'm for mdma, but that's not nearly as addictive or damaging).

 

[flarty]

You do realize theres very few natural strains of weed left in the drug trade?

Please define "natural strain", because I believe by the definition you're using would put almost all crops into the "unnatural" category. Selective breeding has occurred for every domesticated plant, it's integral to the process of plant domestication. I'm not yet aware of anything like transgenic weed.

yeah if it occurs at a natural level from bees and insects then fair enough, but when cross pollinating 2 different plants from opposite sides of the world, then i wouldnt call that natural.

Of course it's not natural. It's called artificial selection, which is different to natural selection.


Oh education, what a wonderful thing you are...

Anyways, the fact that two strains of weed from different countries or even continents may be cross-pollinated does not in any change the fact that weed is still a plant, not a chemically synthesised drug. While cross-pollination may fall under artificial selection, it still uses the plant's entirely natural method of reproduction to germinate and create a new strain of weed.

I take it that you would also argue that puppies created by cross-breeding a Dachshund and a German Shepard are not real dogs, as such a mating could never occur in nature?

So you've lost me? I was trying to say that cannabis is not all the natural safe drug (which it is) RJ17 seemed to believe it was. I'm not sure what your point is. If you want to bring selective breeding of dogs in to it, maybe pedigree dogs would be a good example especially with the birth defects many suffer from. But why are we talking about dogs? Maybe you've had a joint and your mind is now wondering?

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

To OP: no, cocaine should not be made legal. Drugs in general should only be used when presciped by a doctor for a serious medical problem.

It's not my intention to preach. You're free to do whatever you want.

Keeping or making things illegal is a far cry from "you're free to do whatever you want."