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KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Snowfox_ said:
First of all I'm not going to go digging in the career of a man who's legacy, via a small sampling of google results that took me less than a minute, is nothing but negative to the trans community. Anything related to the man is instantly suspect as his views are political and religious, not scientific, but having been in the field he has some very flawed clout amongst deniers.

Second, it's been addressed in detail, not only in my Original post but several times in this thread why the term tranny is offensive.

So from that I'm starting to conclude you're being discriminatory and insulting.
Not only that, but people fail to recognise that whilst 65% of gender incongruence disappears after childhood, those with gender incongruence which persists into adolescence is important to analyze. It's not a case where it's a 'lifestyle' because gender incongruence doesn't often last past childhood, because there's this very important stage inbetween childhood and adulthood, adolescence.

A lot of the really scary stuff about gender incongruence happens in adolescence. It's when the whole dysphoria thing really rears its ugly head to dominate someone's life in many instances. Enough to cause suicide when it is harshly repressed.

Pretending like this isn't a thing is at best insensitive, at worst hateful. Dr. Paul McHugh and other blind or hateful arsewipes who fail to accomodate those with gender incongruence and dysphoria into adolescence to pretend being transgender is a 'lifestyle' are the reason why so many of them are discredited by their peers.

(Edit) Oh, and the specific 'survey' taken was found to have cherry picked results. Which is why it's not held up by most psychiatric health providers.

Oh and to help show why we make a delineation between childhood and adolescence...

ADOLESCENTS
Diagnosis
In nearly all cases seen, adolescents age 12 and up come to the Amsterdam
gender identity clinic with a desire for gender reassignment. While gender
dysphoric feelings in younger children will usually remit, in adolescents this
is rarely the case. Similar to the children, a diagnostic trajectory is initiated
that is spread out over a longer period of time. Here, too, there is an intake
session with the adolescents and their parents, followed by individual talks
with the parents and the youths and a psychodiagnostic assessment. Shortly
before the start of any physical medical treatment, adolescents will also
have a child psychiatric examination by a member of the team other than
the diagnostician and a medical screening by the pediatric endocrinologist.
Finally, a recommendation concludes the procedure. When an adolescent
is considered eligible for puberty suppression, the diagnostic trajectory is
extended, as the puberty suppression phase is still considered diagnostic.
This medical intervention puts a halt to the development of secondary sex
characteristics. It has been used for over 20 years now in the treatment of
precocious puberty and there is evidence that gonadal function is reactivated
soon after cessation of treatment (Mul & Hughes, 2008).

(source: - http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00918369.2012.653300 )
This adequately explains the issue, and why screening of people with gender dysphoria is refrained until the typical age of 12 (if sought) and modern strategies to tackling the problem.
 

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AwesomeHatMan said:
Random Fella said:
Gender is genetic.
Genetics plays a huge role in the sex development of people. That said not everyone is born with physical parts their genes suggest. For example I have "XX Male Syndrome" which means I am genetically female, but I was born male physically. Some women have XY chromosomes, more surprising is some people have more chromosomes for sex than others. Some men are born with two Y chromosomes and no X Chromosome. But that doesn't define how we identify. We're all humans, but some people identify as non-human animals, or objects, for example. While physical birth sex is often genetic, it doesn't control identity, or sexual preference for that matter.
Uhh, can you provide proof of this?
Because I'm quite sure that's not how genetics works.
Genetics Student here to help.

So geneticists have found the sex determining region of the Y chromosome (which we in the field like to call "the sex determining region of the Y chromosome" or SRY coz we're creative like that). However in some very rare cases the SRY can be moved to the X chromosome by nonhomologous recombination, where pieces of DNA are swapped unevenly between chromosomes, which means that there is the testis-determining factor (TDF) signal from an X chromosome rather than a Y chromosome like in most males. This means that the XX individuals can develop as males despite not having a Y chromosome. Likewise someone with XY could have lost the SRY and develop as female. I believe these individuals are infertile but I'm not 100% about that. As for whether we call male/female by chromosomes or by SRY, from what I've seen so far, people in the field tend to use the SRY to define because that gives you the anatomy/physiology.

As for other chromosome combinations, they do exist, but not quite how they said. Y0 and YY are lethal. An X chromosome is always needed. XO is Turner which people can live with. XXY is Klinefelter which is probably the most famous sex aneuploidy which people also live with and one of the X's becomes redundant and isn't really used as much. There are also XXX superfemales and XYY supermales and others but YY is not a thing last time I checked (would have to mean two Y's from dad and nothing from mum, meaning two simultaneous unrelated events and any embryo wouldn't have the necessary X genes and would die anyway).

Hope this helps. If you want to take my word for it sweetas, if you want me to cite literature then you can jog on.
AwesomeHatMan said:
Random Fella said:
Gender is genetic.
Genetics plays a huge role in the sex development of people. That said not everyone is born with physical parts their genes suggest. For example I have "XX Male Syndrome" which means I am genetically female, but I was born male physically. Some women have XY chromosomes, more surprising is some people have more chromosomes for sex than others. Some men are born with two Y chromosomes and no X Chromosome. But that doesn't define how we identify. We're all humans, but some people identify as non-human animals, or objects, for example. While physical birth sex is often genetic, it doesn't control identity, or sexual preference for that matter.
Uhh, can you provide proof of this?
Because I'm quite sure that's not how genetics works.
Genetics Student here to help.

So geneticists have found the sex determining region of the Y chromosome (which we in the field like to call "the sex determining region of the Y chromosome" or SRY coz we're creative like that). However in some very rare cases the SRY can be moved to the X chromosome by nonhomologous recombination, where pieces of DNA are swapped unevenly between chromosomes, which means that there is the testis-determining factor (TDF) signal from an X chromosome rather than a Y chromosome like in most males. This means that the XX individuals can develop as males despite not having a Y chromosome. Likewise someone with XY could have lost the SRY and develop as female. I believe these individuals are infertile but I'm not 100% about that. As for whether we call male/female by chromosomes or by SRY, from what I've seen so far, people in the field tend to use the SRY to define because that gives you the anatomy/physiology.

As for other chromosome combinations, they do exist, but not quite how they said. Y0 and YY are lethal. An X chromosome is always needed. XO is Turner which people can live with. XXY is Klinefelter which is probably the most famous sex aneuploidy which people also live with and one of the X's becomes redundant and isn't really used as much. There are also XXX superfemales and XYY supermales and others but YY is not a thing last time I checked (would have to mean two Y's from dad and nothing from mum, meaning two simultaneous unrelated events and any embryo wouldn't have the necessary X genes and would die anyway).

Hope this helps. If you want to take my word for it sweetas, if you want me to cite literature then you can jog on.
AwesomeHatMan said:
Random Fella said:
Gender is genetic.
Genetics plays a huge role in the sex development of people. That said not everyone is born with physical parts their genes suggest. For example I have "XX Male Syndrome" which means I am genetically female, but I was born male physically. Some women have XY chromosomes, more surprising is some people have more chromosomes for sex than others. Some men are born with two Y chromosomes and no X Chromosome. But that doesn't define how we identify. We're all humans, but some people identify as non-human animals, or objects, for example. While physical birth sex is often genetic, it doesn't control identity, or sexual preference for that matter.
Uhh, can you provide proof of this?
Because I'm quite sure that's not how genetics works.
Genetics Student here to help.

So geneticists have found the sex determining region of the Y chromosome (which we in the field like to call "the sex determining region of the Y chromosome" or SRY coz we're creative like that). However in some very rare cases the SRY can be moved to the X chromosome by nonhomologous recombination, where pieces of DNA are swapped unevenly between chromosomes, which means that there is the testis-determining factor (TDF) signal from an X chromosome rather than a Y chromosome like in most males. This means that the XX individuals can develop as males despite not having a Y chromosome. Likewise someone with XY could have lost the SRY and develop as female. I believe these individuals are infertile but I'm not 100% about that. As for whether we call male/female by chromosomes or by SRY, from what I've seen so far, people in the field tend to use the SRY to define because that gives you the anatomy/physiology.

As for other chromosome combinations, they do exist, but not quite how they said. Y0 and YY are lethal. An X chromosome is always needed. XO is Turner which people can live with. XXY is Klinefelter which is probably the most famous sex aneuploidy which people also live with and one of the X's becomes redundant and isn't really used as much. There are also XXX superfemales and XYY supermales and others but YY is not a thing last time I checked (would have to mean two Y's from dad and nothing from mum, meaning two simultaneous unrelated events and any embryo wouldn't have the necessary X genes and would die anyway).

Hope this helps. If you want to take my word for it sweetas, if you want me to cite literature then you can jog on.

Your absolutely correct as i am an xx male also. It happens during the meiosis process during the exchange of genetic material between the x and y chromosome where the SRY gene translocates on to the tip of the x. Since at our conception that we received this x sperm bearing the sry gene, we develop phenotype male despite having female chromosomes.

We are infertile because we are missing the azf from the y chromosome that would give us the ability to produce sperm.