Amen! Amen! I couldn't have said it better, although I think both the game and movie industry can do much better with unique characters and plots.Yossarian1507 said:
Heavy Rain Dev Calls L.A. Noire's MotionScan Tech a "Dead End"
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That's exactly it. Friendly competition. More or less. But you have to admit that in order to reach an outcome where video game animation becomes on par with live-action film or a high-end cartoon series, some options like MotionScan should be visited. It takes one step at a time to get to that high quality level of visuals that cinema and TV can enjoy.Jumplion said:
I'm not saying that Cage is wrong. But it's still rather arrogant to say it's a dead end, considering this is the first time we're seeing technology like this, and we haven't seen what Quantic Dream is going for.
Does this guy ever do anything aside from belittle other people's work?
And what has this guy done of worth? Heavy Rain? Please..
And what has this guy done of worth? Heavy Rain? Please..
Although I love what I'm seeing from L.A. Noire, he's probably right about the limitations. If there's a system out there that allows for the same level of capture detail as what Rockstar's doing, but is able to capture it in tandem with high-quality body capture, it would definitely be a better system. And if it also allows animators to easily modify it, that's even better.
They'll need to back up this claim, but I don't think Rockstar's system is a dead end. It may not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
They'll need to back up this claim, but I don't think Rockstar's system is a dead end. It may not be perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
Eh, sometimes you need baby steps, sometimes you need giant leaps. Sometimes you need to be humble, other times you need to be pretentious.InsomniJack said:
It'll be interesting to see what Quantic Dream is developing. I personally greatly enjoyed Heavy Rain, and even if I didn't enjoy it I would still be glad that it exists and it was as successful as it was because it shows that Quantic Dream have some artistic balls in this industry and that unique games can pay off. Is it flawless? Fuck no, there are a thousand ways it can improve. But for what it is, I am very happy that it exists.
L.A. Noire seems to take a few pages from Heavy Rain and refine elements that it struggled with. I am absolutely psyched for the game, but that doesn't mean it can't improve either.
I think the title makes it sound a lot harsher a criticism then was actually given. Quantic Dream sounds a little over-confident and boastful, but they seem to also praise Rockstar for it's efforts. Usually company's are a little more diplomatic then just saying, "We can do better", but that's usually the gist. I must say that LA Noir looks pretty amazing, and if Quantic Dream exceeds that, awesome.
Doing just the face = Dead End
Doing whole body = way to the future!
Erm, what? Isn't the first really a step towards working with the second (incorporating the entire body)? Sure, the later is better because it encompasses the entire human form rather than just the facial movements, but this Dev should put up or shut up if he's just going to knock something like a child.
Doing whole body = way to the future!
Erm, what? Isn't the first really a step towards working with the second (incorporating the entire body)? Sure, the later is better because it encompasses the entire human form rather than just the facial movements, but this Dev should put up or shut up if he's just going to knock something like a child.
In my honest opinion, all video game characters, even the best looking, most realistic, and highly detailed ones, still look freaky.
I don't think we've quite climbed out of the uncanny valley yet, folks. That seems to be a little further away.
LA Noire takes a big risk here. I always thought Rockstar Games character models always looked kinda off. I have to admit, seeing the expression and subtlety that the MotionScan technology brings to the characters' faces is quite amazing, but it still doesn't fully look like a human being's face.
The fact that it moves so much like real a human being's face makes it all the more creepy looking.
I don't think we've quite climbed out of the uncanny valley yet, folks. That seems to be a little further away.
LA Noire takes a big risk here. I always thought Rockstar Games character models always looked kinda off. I have to admit, seeing the expression and subtlety that the MotionScan technology brings to the characters' faces is quite amazing, but it still doesn't fully look like a human being's face.
The fact that it moves so much like real a human being's face makes it all the more creepy looking.
It sounds more like Quantic is basically saying "That's a nice thing you have there, did you develop it yourself?" "Yes, Yes we did" "Oh. Well. I'VE GOT SOMETHING EVEN BETTER" "Really...Really?" "HA HA STEAL YOUR THUNDER"luckycharms8282 said:
Well put Woodsey. As it stands there isn't much of a story here beyond "David Cage Possesses Giant Ego." He's attempting to downplay this achievement as if it's a blow to his credibility, he's making a lot of half-baked assumptions, (Seriously, how can he not think real-time lighting is possible with this technology) and grandstanding with nothing to show for it at this time. "Our technology is incredible!" Okay, so how about you just show it to us?Woodsey said:
David, I love your fucking games, but, man... come on.
Yeah, okay, I see your point, but could you express it WITHOUT simultaneously bragging about that thing you're doing? I mean, jeez.
Well, he did say that L.A. Noire looks good. That's better than what Cage usually says.
Still, goog thing everyone in this thread is being constructive.
Yeah, okay, I see your point, but could you express it WITHOUT simultaneously bragging about that thing you're doing? I mean, jeez.
Well, he did say that L.A. Noire looks good. That's better than what Cage usually says.
Still, goog thing everyone in this thread is being constructive.
Good point, indeed.Pretty much everyone said:
Somehow, I doubt it. And there's something more than a little off about calling someone's use of motion capture a "dead end" and then saying "and our version is so much better." It's like saying your adversaries have hit the wall, while you- ha ha!- are embedded six feet into the wall, so there.
Yeah, y'know what? Now I am officially disliking David Cage.
Don't get me wrong, I think BOTH L.A. Noire and Heavy Rain are mis-steps, a misguided effort to blur the lines between film and games. But at least L.A. Noire seems determined to do it for a reason, trying to make interrogation a major part of gameplay and basing it around that. David Cage's efforts so far have been just "Let's be like film! Let's use film's techniques to elicit emotion!"
I still dislike both attempts; I wish more people would pay attention to Clint Hocking's well aimed critiques of aping film as a strategy. But Cage is coming across as a pretentious snot of the worst sort.
Edit: This is to say, the idea of LA Noire seems a mis-step to me. The execution may prove me completely wrong, and if it does, I'll be delighted.
Don't get me wrong, I think BOTH L.A. Noire and Heavy Rain are mis-steps, a misguided effort to blur the lines between film and games. But at least L.A. Noire seems determined to do it for a reason, trying to make interrogation a major part of gameplay and basing it around that. David Cage's efforts so far have been just "Let's be like film! Let's use film's techniques to elicit emotion!"
I still dislike both attempts; I wish more people would pay attention to Clint Hocking's well aimed critiques of aping film as a strategy. But Cage is coming across as a pretentious snot of the worst sort.
Edit: This is to say, the idea of LA Noire seems a mis-step to me. The execution may prove me completely wrong, and if it does, I'll be delighted.
