Hentai Collector Sentenced to Jail Over "Obscene" Material

[handofnod]

As long as he's not molesting chidren and only looking at hentai who cares?

 

[NeutralDrow]

The issue is that the guy in question is almost certainly not a pedophile, and all indications are that he's a normal, law-abiding citizen with a peculiar taste in artwork, and yet he's being tarred with the "potential sex offender" brush in a way that exposes not only flagrant miscarriage of justice, but also gross misunderstanding of porn consumers and pedophiles alike.

I've already said that I don't consider him a criminal in any way. It was the entire point of my first post. But his peculiar taste in artwork amounts to paedophilia. Evaluation will either confirm or deny whether he is or not.

Evaluation that is not only totally excessive and unnecessary, but that he's being forced to pay for.

I'm done arguing wth you regarding the rest, as your argument comes down to paedophilia not being an issue until its been acted upon. I disagree, at least we can agree that he has done nothing to warrant fines or jailtime.

The prosecution in the case admitted that Handley did not have a criminal history and wasn't in possession of any actual child pornography...

 

[Jinx_Dragon]

Am I the only one who is noticing that there are an increasing amount of cases like this where people who aren't actually hurting anyone are getting put in jail? I recall a mother was fined several MILLION dollars for illegally downloading some 20 songs off of a file sharing program. I find this ridiculous, why doesn't the government spend more time finding actual criminals who are out there hurting others instead of ruining someone for making a harmless mistake?
This also reminds me of congress meeting about steroid abuse in major league baseball instead of, you know, important things like the Middle East or the economy.

Cause real criminals are a) difficult to catch and b) dangerous. I wish it wasn't so either but the government loves it's victimless crimes. Not only do you have to turn up at the door step and they go quietly, easy to find and arrest that way, but they are so good at padding statistics so you can claim to be 'tough on crime.' Then there is the whole prison industry thing, one whom has bought and sold politicians with 'donations' of more then a decades wages for the average Joe. This industry demands it slave labour... oh sorry, 12 cents a hour prevents it being slavery doesn't it....


Sorry, way to much time spent looking into the US prison systems.

 

[fletch_talon]

So you're saying that we should arrest people for crimes BEFORE they happen? Well I guess we arrest anyone with a copy of "Mein Kampf" before they kill a few million jews or a bible before they trick an entire town into getting circumcised before slaughtering the lot (it's in there)

I'm sorry, if I'd had known I was arguing with an idiot I would have stopped ages ago.

Yes, despite repeatedly stating that this man is not a criminal and that paedophilia is not a choice, clearly what I meant to say is that this man is a criminal and all paedophiles should be imprisoned.

What I AM saying is that people with sexual attraction to children should be evaluated, monitored and given support both emotionally and psychologically.

Learn to read before you make more ignorant claims about what people are saying.

 

[Yukichin]

"If they can imagine it, they drew it. Use your imagination. It was there."

... what the hell does this have to do with the fact that it's completely fictional? We have people who draw violence all the time, yet it's not illegal to possess violent comics despite the fact it's illegal to murder people.

 

[Mr. Gency]

I always wondered if owning a hentai comic with a child getting raped would be illegal. Guess this answers my question. Also, I not surprised, this isn't the first time the law went ape shit on something like this. Remember Amazon.com and that hentai ad?

 

[Lullabye]

I like how so many people are trying to make this guy out to be a weirdo, when this behavior is actually perfectly normal.
Most of my friends who are into manga have lolcion/shoctacon series (especially the female friends I have), and we all look at hentai, at least 60% of which depicts children in sexually explicit and often depraved acts of sexual-someting or other(and lets face it, every hentai character over the age of 18 looks to be 12 at most].
Now, for all those who hate people like us that fantasize about such terribly lewd things, then lock us up, because obviously, I'm a potential pedo and your children are all at risk just being around me. And since such unrealistic things lead to pedophilia, obviously someone with, say, a rape fetish is probably more high risk at becoming a sexual offender, especially a pedophile since children are so easy to overpower. Since we're dealing with such an evil topic, lets not leave out the most apparent reason most people who watch porn are pedo's. Small Breasts!
Think about it, someone who's attracted to children must have a thing for small breasts. As such, anyone who prefers small breasts whether in porn on on their gf's chest is likely to become a pedophile, and as such should be treated like one.[sub]Maybe Australia is...right?[/sub]
I guess what I'm trying to say here, is that if your sexual preferences fall under a certain category, you are a danger to society.
So If you're like me, and like watching shows like Seikon no Qwaser, know that you are evil, because someday, you will probably rape a child.

[sub]Off topic, but does anyone know what Seikon no Qwaser's regular release date is? Does it even have one?[/sub]

 

[MisterColeman]

Well I found this very informative. I didn't know that any of that was illegal.

 

[Sacman]

He is a harmless loli he isn't gonna do anything...

 

[Goveynetcom]

Sounds like a harmless pervert to me - someone who has all kinds of weird porn on his hard drive, not some child stalking pedophile.

15 years and a quarter million fine for a victimless crime is ridiculous either way.

I agree, we all like some weird stuff...

 

[Paksenarrion]

That is a disgusting sentence, they are all god damn drawings and therefore not anything to be moronic about. You know what's pathetic? A mugger could be given less of a sentence. The United States should be ashamed of its legal system, it fails.

Well, that is disgusting.

But their not even pictures of real people. Just drawings.

If I drew a stick figure bent over another stick figure, would that count as pornography and would I have to go to court for it?

This all comes down to a violation of the first amendment. From Wikipedia:

Personal possession of obscene material in the home may not be prohibited by law. In writing for the Court in the case of Stanley v. Georgia, 394 U.S. 557 (1969), Justice Thurgood Marshall wrote, "If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting in his own house, what books he may read or what films he may watch." However, it is not unconstitutional for the government to prevent the mailing or sale of obscene items, though they may be viewed only in private. Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234 (2002), further upheld these rights by invalidating the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996, holding that, because the act "[p]rohibit[ed] child pornography that does not depict an actual child..." it was overly broad and unconstitutional under the First Amendment. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote: "First Amendment freedoms are most in danger when the government seeks to control thought or to justify its laws for that impermissible end. The right to think is the beginning of freedom, and speech must be protected from the government because speech is the beginning of thought."

So the only reason he could have been found guilty was for ordering the stuff, and technically they could have sentenced him but it was illegal to seize it.

For all of you Canadians out there saying "thank god I don't live in America": our laws are even more retarded.

Also, this is just like saying video games depicting violence is murder and punishable as that.

I wish there were gamer lawyers. We need to defend our own. Where are our real life Ace Attorneys?!

 

[Paksenarrion]

I've seen a bunch of teens rape and destroy a girls life get off with no jail time. But this guy has to go to jail and have his life taken away from him for something like this? Justice is amazing.

I'm surprised we don't have more cases of vigilante justice, ie. Batman.

 

[Piecewise]

So you're saying that we should arrest people for crimes BEFORE they happen? Well I guess we arrest anyone with a copy of "Mein Kampf" before they kill a few million jews or a bible before they trick an entire town into getting circumcised before slaughtering the lot (it's in there)

I'm sorry, if I'd had known I was arguing with an idiot I would have stopped ages ago.

Yes, despite repeatedly stating that this man is not a criminal and that paedophilia is not a choice, clearly what I meant to say is that this man is a criminal and all paedophiles should be imprisoned.


What I AM saying is that people with sexual attraction to children should be evaluated, monitored and given support both emotionally and psychologically.

Learn to read before you make more ignorant claims about what people are saying.

And I'm saying that owning lolicon does not correlate with a sexual attraction to actual
children. You must prove that it does before psychological evaluation is considered.

 

[scotth266]

But back on topic, I don't see the problem with this, I mean, its like people are thinking fictional characters are......real....people.........

didn't we go through this before, something about a Japanese porn game?

...

I mean, come on people, drawings are not real people, ever.

Yes, we did go over this before: it was another news post. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.163191-Japanese-Porn-Game-Lampoons-Rape-Game-Controversy]

Or possibly one of the posts in any one of the threads connected to the Rapelay game, which are all summed up in that newspost anyway.

 

[Kalfira]

Angry Rays. I'm surprised this held up in court, poor guy likely had a really bad attorney. I could MAYBE see the government confiscating the materials in question but this poor guy(pervert that he may be) did absolutely nothing wrong. The child pornography laws are THERE because children aren't legally allowed to consent to participate in pornographic acts. With child hentai there isn't even a person TO consent so whats the point of this? Arbitrary punishment?

 

[Vigilantis]

Well, that is disgusting.

But their not even pictures of real people. Just drawings.

If I drew a stick figure bent over another stick figure, would that count as pornography and would I have to go to court for it?

If that stick figure is ages 1-15 perhaps, and/or if you have one stick figure bent over a stick dog.

Really though theres thousands of perverts out in the world like this guy, but unless they actually commit a crime I can't see the justice in this, the worst he should have gotten was a warning and told to get rid of all his cartoon porn.