Hentai Collector Sentenced to Jail Over "Obscene" Material

[demoman_chaos]

Uhm... No. Taxation without representation means, 'We will only pay taxes that our representatives in a House or Assembly [or similar body] have approved and passed into a law. Our government is the House of Assembly, and they passed income tax into law. Income tax is perfectly legal.

It was not ratified by enough states to become an amendment (but the amendment was put in anyways) and there is no law saying we have to pay it. IRS agents can't even find it and there was at least 1 court case where a man who didn't pay his taxes pointed this out. He won the case and wasn't forced to pay.
Also it is worth mentioning that income tax money goes straight to the pockets of families like the Morgans and Rockafellers. Income tax is used to pay the debt to the Federal Reserve (a PRIVATELY OWNED group of large banking firms that print the US dollar) so you are working 3 months of the year to pay the salary of a multi-billionaire who scams the government. An illegal tax paying for an illegal organization to put the government and its people in unescapable debt.

 

[Jumplion]

Everyone has their own little kinks that most people don't want to admit, I won't judge him for "enjoying" what he likes.

Quite frankly, this is a waste of time and tax payer's money that could be spent on actual crimes like serial killers and psychopaths.

"Child pornography" (I'm doubtful to call those Japanese books "child pornography" 'cause every freakin' character out of Japan looks about 4 anyway (okay, gross exaggeration, but still)) and bestiality porn are probably weird and sick, but there is plenty worse out there, like "Rape TV" (I did not make that up, I swear).

 

[Summerstorm]

This is disgusting... and no i don't mean the porn. How could he plead guilty, it is clearly a false charge. Grrrr, rampant nazis... fueling ANGER.

 

[Zefar]

I wonder if that guy is gonna commit suicide. Seeing that they are going to completely ruin his life with fees that he probably just won't be able to pay off.

Not to mention he has to pay a certain fee that he is FORCED to play part of. Just so that they get this "New" hentai criminal.

Good god they could probably arrest 4Chan after this and if they do that.

It's actually scary what the court can get away with.

 

[agentspidersilk]

I DONT GET IT! FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALL THAT.....
ok what he was doing was wrong but its ART no ones harmed!
ffs!

 

[A Pious Cultist]

A paedophile, well done.

Being a pedophile isn't illegal though. Molesting, abusing, or indirectly supporting the abuse of children is.

 

[e2density]

His life is f**ked...and for very little reason, too.

 

[Heathrow]

I can sort of see the govs way on all this. That stuff is just a portal for people to start doing that stuff for real. I have seen it before.

the things you own, end up owning you- Tyler Durden

I don't think I've ever seen anyone misunderstand Tyler that badly before. That comment is more indicative of his being a Luddite and his anti materialism has very little to do with his moral views. Morally Tyler is a nihilist, he doesn't see any moral system inherit to the universe and therefore has no qualms about amoral behavior. He is, in no particular order: a thief, a terrorist, an exhibitionist, a gang leader and an arsonist. From his world view actions like these are just given an arbitrary negative value by society while conformist behavior is given an arbitrary positive one. This nihilism would seem to extend to paedophilia as he has no qualms with splicing pornography into children's movies, an act which is essentially molestation en masse.

None of which says anything about your opinion I would just caution you before invoking Tyler Durden in a discussion on ethics.

 

[Angel52]

Child and beast stuff!?

What in hell's bells were he reading? I mean...wait, is tentacle hentai...

Excuse me...I have some...deleting to do.

Wait I think I seen that the other day!

Anyways, this guy is about to have his life ruined. I think its weird for people to have particular tastes such as this. But for a person with no criminal record whatsoever and validity of the offense. He should have just been left with a slap on the wrist.

He is a harmless pervert just like the other 75% of the internet population.

 

[almostgold]

Hentai is just weird. What's wrong with just looking at actual people? I can't believe people like this sort of thing.

 

[TheRundownRabbit]

As much as he is a disgusting pervert, its his stuff so he can do whatever he wants with it. Its just a manga, not some super dildo or death weapon. Why are they getting so pressed om lines on paper?

I second that opinion

 

[Kajin]

Uhm... No. Taxation without representation means, 'We will only pay taxes that our representatives in a House or Assembly [or similar body] have approved and passed into a law. Our government is the House of Assembly, and they passed income tax into law. Income tax is perfectly legal.

It was not ratified by enough states to become an amendment (but the amendment was put in anyways) and there is no law saying we have to pay it. IRS agents can't even find it and there was at least 1 court case where a man who didn't pay his taxes pointed this out. He won the case and wasn't forced to pay.
Also it is worth mentioning that income tax money goes straight to the pockets of families like the Morgans and Rockafellers. Income tax is used to pay the debt to the Federal Reserve (a PRIVATELY OWNED group of large banking firms that print the US dollar) so you are working 3 months of the year to pay the salary of a multi-billionaire who scams the government. An illegal tax paying for an illegal organization to put the government and its people in unescapable debt.

What you just said is a gross exaggeration. Any organization is bound to have some level of corruption in it and the United States government isn't any different. Am I pissed off at some of the ways my tax dollars are being spent? Hell yeah I am, but that doesn't excuse the fact that taxes of any kind are beneficial to our society. Look at indian reservations. They don't pay taxes, and because of it they don't have a public education system or basic health care.

 

[Cpu46]

As disgusting and wierd as it all is..

.."possession of obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children"..Is that actually illegal?

It sounds hilariously Specific.

Technically he wasn't charged for possession but for transporting the obscene material using "interstate commerce"

Simple possession of obscene material cannot be criminalized under the "right to privacy" of the 4th amendment of the U.S constitution.
So anyone is free to own obscene material in private, they're just not allowed to use "interstate commerce" to acquire said material.

So if he had gone to Japan himself and bought some there, then brought it back he would be fine?

 

[Hussmann54]

I can sort of see the govs way on all this. That stuff is just a portal for people to start doing that stuff for real. I have seen it before.

the things you own, end up owning you- Tyler Durden

I don't think I've ever seen anyone misunderstand Tyler that badly before. That comment is more indicative of his being a Luddite and his anti materialism has very little to do with his moral views. Morally Tyler is a nihilist, he doesn't see any moral system inherit to the universe and therefore has no qualms about amoral behavior. He is, in no particular order: a thief, a terrorist, an exhibitionist, a gang leader and an arsonist. From his world view actions like these are just given an arbitrary negative value by society while conformist behavior is given an arbitrary positive one. This nihilism would seem to extend to paedophilia as he has no qualms with splicing pornography into children's movies, an act which is essentially molestation en masse.

None of which says anything about your opinion I would just caution you before invoking Tyler Durden in a discussion on ethics.

Oh I wasnt trying to invoke his opinions. I just thought it an appropriate comment to the thought of owning and collecting this stuff. When I said that, some guy was like "So Playing GTA will make me a killer?" the problem is that it doesnt inherently make you do those things, it just makes it more justifiable in your mind.

Yea I kinda see your point on how it doesnt connect, but it does in a sense of how we do something rather than what we do.

EDIT: I have a post further up on this page expanding on it.

 

[geldonyetich]

Ah, this comment thread is fun to read. All these Internet denizens brought up on 4Chan morality, who probably have equivocally profane stuff on their hard drive right now, suddenly put face-to-face with the stark reality that even the possession of that shit can get you in trouble IRL.

So they express outrage instead. Good luck with that stance - it won't help much if you end up as a defendant.

In any case, his plea bargain was a lot less than 15 years and $250,000:

Handley will also be required to serve three years of supervised release and undergo a "treatment program" that will include psychological testing and polygraph examinations to "reveal possible new criminal behavior," which he will have to help pay for, and five years of probation.

I wouldn't say his life is ruined, per se. He will, however, be taking up a new hobby.

It's probably a pretty good call, really. If you have enthusiasm for cartoon child porn, it doesn't mean that you're planning on molesting children... but it's good sign you're vulnerable to such ideas. Having him undergo treatment that will include psychological testing assure he's not actually going to go that far is a good idea. I've never approved of the idea that we need to wait for the crime to be committed and the damage done before we take measures.

 

[Nurb]

people have to stop being in a 24-hour panic attack that the news and tv shows put them in and ask themselves a serious question:

"Do I want law enforcement resources, lots of tax-payer money, and days of the court system time protecting lines on paper or REAL children who are REAL victims of REAL abuse?"

We let the KKK have their real hate speech, but cartoons make us cry? Now that unpopular freedom of expression is now becomming illegal, don't expected to stop at things you don't like.

EDIT: I just remembered, a teacher who screwed a real kid got lighter punishment (probation) than some guy for cartoons because
A)she has a vagina
B)is attractive

 

[Tom4Tom]

it makes me sick to see how liberal our government has become. with this zero tolerance crap that takes away our freedom to learn and be taught about the rules and instead replaces it with irrational fears and emotional propaganda that can sway a jury. just pitiful.

 

[geldonyetich]

it makes me sick to see how liberal our government has become.

Woah, woah, woah. Stop right there. This is a conservative idea, not a liberal one. Get your ideologies [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservativism#United_States] straight. Liberalism is a fair opposite [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States#Philosophy_of_modern_liberalism] of what happened in this case.

 

[ajb924]

I was kinda on the fence about this, but I've finally come to a conclusion.
Criminal charges should not be filed, as there is no victim involved.
However, the items should be confiscated and he should be given psychiatric help. Hentai is porn, in this case porn of children. If that's what he is sexually aroused by (this being the purpose of porn) then he is in some part a paedophile. This doesn't mean he'll go out and molest children, but it wouldn't hurt to take preventative measures just in case.
Heck, if we did this with the easy to catch hentai importers, it might even give some insight into how to help fully blown paedophiles instead of scaring them into hiding.

Yeah and you know what else we should do? Lets grab all the people who fap to hentai, because that shit is weird. Also lets grab all the scat and gore people and the furries too. And the homos and the BDSM and the fat fetishists. Anyone who buys a dildo will be immediately arrested and playboy will be a felony. Also, lets kill us some Minorities because they're obviously a drain on society. Hell lets grab everyone who has a fetish or is of a different color and just throw them in a big flaming ditch!

You start doing that shit how long until the moral police come for you? How long till your fetish for sailor suits or whatever becomes a social deviancy worthy of psychological evaluation? How about you stop trying to beat people over the head with your morality? Unless you can show a DAMN good link between this and actual child molestation then you're talking out your ass. The difference between owning loli and molesting a child is the difference between shooting someone with a paint ball gun and unloading a minigun into a group of nuns.

Best post I have ever read.
But seriously, people need to chill the fuck out.
My friend, and yes it actually is my friend for once, says the lolicon fetish doesn't come from the fact that their children, but the fact that they don't look like sluts. So it's the innocent factor I guess.
Also, I'm not even going to be one of the douchebags that calls it sick or anything like that. It's his fetish, I have some that people might find pretty "sick" by their standards. Everyone has at least one weird fetish. I guarentee one person who called this sick has a hentai guro fetish. For those of you who don't know what that is, JFGI!

 

[TheRocketeer]

Question: If you're such a sick fucking weirdo that you actually take the time to check legal precedent to double check whether or not your fetish will land you in jail, why shouldn't you be raped forever by gang members?