Dreiko said:
Saelune said:
Dreiko said:
I never got pride about sexuality, since people are just born as it, it isn't like they did something to earn it. It'd be like having blond hair or tall legs pride days. Being proud over something you chanced into is just dumb and arrogant. Be proud of your achievements.
But it IS about achievements. Its not really merely about being gay, but about being yourself despite adversity. About getting to where we are now compared to where we were. It would be like criticizing Black History month as merely celebrating being black. Did you know its in Febraury cause its when Lincoln and Frederick Douglas was born? Its about celebrating humanity, since before Lincoln, in the US, black people were not considered human, but property.
If people are considered inhuman or lesser for being blonde or having long legs, and then they work to make that change, then they would have an understandable celebration too.
Its dumb and arrogant to ignore history.
First and foremost, I never specified I talked about gay pride. It is interesting how in a topic about straight pride, you took me to be talking about gay pride. Being honest, I was addressing both, equally, as that is the way to paving true lack of discrimination, you may wanna examine why you only saw me talking about gay pride here.
Not all gay or black people had to go through equal hardship to simply be themselves. A gay guy in LA will have a much easier life than one in the bible belt. You ape the difference and equalize everything in an irrational way with your approach.
Black people always were human despite what a portion of primitive conquerors thought of them btw, the way you put it sounds like hey were given humanity by benevolent white people who decided to do so one day, which....is quite offensive to celebrate. No, they always were human, they just lost wars and had to endure the hardships that all human war losers endured since history immemorial, whch includes being treated inhumanely cause you should have been dead for losing so your life is already forfeit. It is actually surprisingly unoriginal, and not limited to black folks either.
The discussion has been about "straight pride" vs "gay pride" for pages now, don't act like I'm being presumptuous.
And you really just want to belittle the advances in equality, don't you? Yes, black people were always people, when they were sold to Europeans by their fellow Africans, and all the time before and after then. And being gay was never actually a mental illness, but it was treated as such for a long time. The celebration part is for the wider recognition of such, usually by government powers. Even if the average person doesn't care for you, not having the law against you is a pretty big deal.
No, not all gay people or black people went through the same hardships. Nor did all Jews get thrown into German internment camps, nor all Americans ignored or shot at by the British, or Armenians killed by ottomans or Turks, etc. Hell, most people in the US aren't New Yorkers, but 9/11 is still a big deal to them.
But I suppose you are allowed to miss the entire point of this discussion.