there will always be a "console" coz people demand a gaming platform. who doesn't know of someone who didn't build their PC to be the best gaming platform "EVER!" at some point. No,m we will always need consoles. I say though they wont be radically changed, just tweeked, and have new things added like stream gaming.
Hideo Kojima Believes Consoles are Dying
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On one hand I think he has lost touch, even with production cost of the unit and software a console war themed market is foreseeable for another 10-20 years.
On the other hand you can remove the cost of producing hardware and sell the design to the vendor who pays you back with some of the profit + other licensing fees,vendor handles repairs and such taking more risk off the console maker. Software makers pay you to sell software for the hardware you make money without all the risk. Now take that ideal and have Sony,MS and Nintendo join together in a DVD/Blu ray like forum. The designs are for stand alone and,2 in one and all in one. Instead of being "competing" systems or formats they become a format standard like MPEG,DVIX,CD audio,Jpeg,BD+java,ect,ect. The vendor can chose to lower their price and sell one feature or rise their price and market saturation and sell to all.
Sure its unlikely they will join together to lower costs for themselves but this scenario is more likely to happen with one or more console makers subbing out all hardware production to vendors who do all the dirty work than nation wide cloud based gaming.
Gaming needs to move to universal platform like DVD........
On the other hand you can remove the cost of producing hardware and sell the design to the vendor who pays you back with some of the profit + other licensing fees,vendor handles repairs and such taking more risk off the console maker. Software makers pay you to sell software for the hardware you make money without all the risk. Now take that ideal and have Sony,MS and Nintendo join together in a DVD/Blu ray like forum. The designs are for stand alone and,2 in one and all in one. Instead of being "competing" systems or formats they become a format standard like MPEG,DVIX,CD audio,Jpeg,BD+java,ect,ect. The vendor can chose to lower their price and sell one feature or rise their price and market saturation and sell to all.
Sure its unlikely they will join together to lower costs for themselves but this scenario is more likely to happen with one or more console makers subbing out all hardware production to vendors who do all the dirty work than nation wide cloud based gaming.
Gaming needs to move to universal platform like DVD........
im OK if Onlive is well, alive, but i do feel sorry for some console gamers(excluding fanboys if this happens)
but whatever happens the pc might still be alive.....so will a console of some sort maybe...oh fuck it
but whatever happens the pc might still be alive.....so will a console of some sort maybe...oh fuck it
How can I be expected to take him seriously when he's sitting on a plastic duck?
And services like OnLive "killing" consoles is far-off. I mean, who would pay $15 a month, plus a full game price for the game, only to lose the game when you decide you don't feel like paying $15 a month any more?
And services like OnLive "killing" consoles is far-off. I mean, who would pay $15 a month, plus a full game price for the game, only to lose the game when you decide you don't feel like paying $15 a month any more?
I don't think that consoles will die, but I most certainly think we're on the cusp of something new. At a fundamental level we can't physically push consoles any further than we have with the gap in between the previous generation and the one we're in. Just look at the PS3- completely new(ish) technology, an absurd price tag and no one bought it. The days where merely pushing new technology as the selling point are dying. The industry, or which ever company tried to "one up" Sony on it's PS3 in terms of new technology would probably die.
What's more your gaming console is become more and more effectively just a computer. You could pop open your xbox, and spot out the graphics card, the processor, the mother board, the CD-ROM, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if down the line mice and keyboards became standard peripherals for consoles. Anymore the only thing setting apart the Xbox 360 and a proper PC is the operating system.
What's more your gaming console is become more and more effectively just a computer. You could pop open your xbox, and spot out the graphics card, the processor, the mother board, the CD-ROM, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if down the line mice and keyboards became standard peripherals for consoles. Anymore the only thing setting apart the Xbox 360 and a proper PC is the operating system.
I would make a joke about how console games require actual gameplay and Kojima doesn't like that and all that good stuff but if that's what he believes, fine by me.
Especially considering the fact that it will need a quite efficient Internet connection and if you don't have it, your game is lost. And even if you have it, that means paying additional money to the provider.MurderousToaster said:
The thing is this point of view is only feasible when we have access to very high capacity broadband all over the place, including out and about. In the UK (a pretty well developed country) though there are still places languishing with near dial-up speeds and many other areas can't get more than 2Mbit/s so I think it could be decades before gaming that's streamed direct from a central source becomes viable.
Maximum disc volume for FAT32 is 8 TiB. However the maximum filesize is still 4 GiB.Generic_Dave said:
Oh and I think it's just external drives who needs to be formated in FAT32 if you want to use them with your PS3. The PS3 otherwise uses it's own format. So big discs and big files shouldn't be a problem. Though I cannot see why you would need that on a console.
It will be a long time before anything like that could be considered remotely feasible. At least on a global scale. It's a bad idea anyway, people are still going to want to 'own' their games and not everyone is willing to pay subscriptions for things. This requires a complete change of attitude from a large number of people.
Eventually technology will change and games with it. That is not to say however, that consoles are dying. That's like saying the automobile is dying, or nuclear energy is dying. Just because we expect new technology to offer new options doesn't mean that the next big thing will replace the status quo.
Let's wait for OnLive to actually work, that is be functional for the majority of their market, before we start making funeral arrangements for the next, as of yet non-existent, console generation. If there aren't other online competitors, we might need consoles to maintain competition with our cloud-computing overlords.
Let's wait for OnLive to actually work, that is be functional for the majority of their market, before we start making funeral arrangements for the next, as of yet non-existent, console generation. If there aren't other online competitors, we might need consoles to maintain competition with our cloud-computing overlords.
At first I thought something like OnLive would be pretty cool--at least, until I heard all the drama that is going on with Ubi Soft and their games with their DRM.
However I think something like OnLive may still be better then what Ubi Soft has made, but it will depend on how it works when it comes out. I'm already hesitant in trying as it has a subscription feature, but I do like the idea if all consoles were hand-held devices.
However I think something like OnLive may still be better then what Ubi Soft has made, but it will depend on how it works when it comes out. I'm already hesitant in trying as it has a subscription feature, but I do like the idea if all consoles were hand-held devices.
