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Jeff Dunn

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Buretsu said:
Jeff Dunn said:
Nope. I'm Jeff. Lol. That's Taunta, the other person you're debating at the moment.
Yeah, but you... and then, I... and you...

...damn you for embedding someone else's quote in your post >.< ...
It happens to the best of us my man. No hard feelings, haha.
 

rbstewart7263

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Let me clear up a few illusions paraded about by the majority of feminists who hold voice within the media.

There groups promote the strength of women.

Feminists groups more often than not create a victim complex to instill into there followers and associates.(Ie: I am constantly a victim of some wrong true or imagined) The basis for this is true historically and in some sectors today. But When someone has a victim complex they begin to project their feelings of helplessness onto the world they live in. That neighbor of yours who's honestly just a decent guy but he brought a girl home with him from the bar last night? sexist how dare he serial rape someone. This assumption being instant and without knowledge of whether the girl was drunk or not. So with the law and social bias against women dwindling(There are a few left but you have to LOOK for it. Our society doesnt care what color or sex you are everyone gets exploited equally)These victims must find new outlets to project themselves onto. So the media becomes the next target until every scene involving a woman is mitigated into some sort of 50/50 fair shake kind of fantasy.(because in real life nature its self doles out its triumphs and losses 50/50) This is unfortunate and tragic as anyone with a victim complex who is self aware will tell you its a crippling fantasy that weakens you and has you pointing fingers rather than using them to create things, to better ones self in the world.

Strong women don't notice this crap.

A strong woman can watch this trailer and would go "shrug thats cool" and not turn this mole hill into a mountain.

Strong women are my favorite to associate with they dont read every word coming out of my mouth like im itching to put them down.They can take a joke. There fun to hang with and can be relied upon as good friends(god knows ive a ton of em) theyl let you be a guy without you having to flajulate yourself for wanting to see a womans naked body.
 

Boris Goodenough

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Am I the only one who thinks might just be a a joke from their side? "How do we make this trailer look as ridiculous as possible?"
 

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Matthew94 said:
So it's misogynistic to kill women but mowing down legions of men in every game is ok?
I'm sure you've heard of the "You can't hit a girl" rule? I'm assuming that's why. I never have followed that rule, female or male, you are a human being and deserve the same level of respect.
 

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Boris Goodenough said:
Am I the only one who thinks might just be a a joke from their side? "How do we make this trailer look as ridiculous as possible?"
No, because it honestly looks more like, "How do we make this trailer look as awesome as possible?"

For this to be a joke, the trailer would be 180 degrees from literally every other piece of publicity out there. It's fetishistic violence that takes it's visual cues from Tarantino and Rodriguez. There's no overt gags, no real humor, just 47 beating the shit out of people.
 

Boris Goodenough

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Starke said:
No, because it honestly looks more like, "How do we make this trailer look as awesome as possible?"

For this to be a joke, the trailer would be 180 degrees from literally every other piece of publicity out there. It's fetishistic violence that takes it's visual cues from Tarantino and Rodriguez. There's no overt gags, no real humor, just 47 beating the shit out of people.
Ridicolous can be awesome.
Yes because Tarantino believes all what he does in the ridiculous department.
And not it doesn't have to, where does it say that?
 

Rblade

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Although I agree to the point of people thinking the trailer is in bad taste. I don´t agree that this should be a problem because he is killing scandly clad women.

women don´t have to dress like dudes to be cool. Sure skintight leather might be a bridge to far. But if you have yourself an all female murder gang, the `femme fatale` kind of outfit would be a pretty logical choice, not dressing up like a bunch of dudes. And if you try to kill agent 47, you get f'd up. No matter what your wearing.

That being said the worst thing about it really, is our predictability. Because there is no such thing as bad publicity and boy, are we talking about this.

[captcha: ladies, first. classic stuff]
 

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Boris Goodenough said:
Starke said:
No, because it honestly looks more like, "How do we make this trailer look as awesome as possible?"

For this to be a joke, the trailer would be 180 degrees from literally every other piece of publicity out there. It's fetishistic violence that takes it's visual cues from Tarantino and Rodriguez. There's no overt gags, no real humor, just 47 beating the shit out of people.
Ridicolous can be awesome.
Yes because Tarantino believes all what he does in the ridiculous department.
And not it doesn't have to, where does it say that?
It says it by not being funny. There's no joke. Nothing amusing. To be fair, I wouldn't call it disturbing either, but my own apathy towards brutality is pretty well documented.

I'm tempted to drag up that old line about porn... "I don't know what parody is, but I know it when I see it," this isn't parody. It's not wandering into the ridiculous to tell a joke. It's really trying to be serious, edgy, and whatever other random adjective that some exec wanted in the add.
 

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Rblade said:
Because there is no such thing as bad publicity and boy, are we talking about this.
There's no such thing as bad publicity if no one knows who you are. In any other situation, that adage suggests the mindset of a child throwing a tantrum so they can get any attention.

We're talking about it, but will we buy it? After this, I won't. And I'm sure I'm not the only one in that range.

Look at all the publicity DNF managed to wrack up. Did you buy it? Did I? Did anyone? That game dropped to $5 awfully fast. It had a lot of publicity, and most of the department stores still can't get rid of their preorder copies around here.
 

Boris Goodenough

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Starke said:
It says it by not being funny. There's no joke. Nothing amusing. To be fair, I wouldn't call it disturbing either, but my own apathy towards brutality is pretty well documented.

I'm tempted to drag up that old line about porn... "I don't know what parody is, but I know it when I see it," this isn't parody. It's not wandering into the ridiculous to tell a joke. It's really trying to be serious, edgy, and whatever other random adjective that some exec wanted in the add.
You might not share the same humour as many others do, I found its absurdity funny, not "ha ha" funny but "heh" funny.
 

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Boris Goodenough said:
Starke said:
It says it by not being funny. There's no joke. Nothing amusing. To be fair, I wouldn't call it disturbing either, but my own apathy towards brutality is pretty well documented.

I'm tempted to drag up that old line about porn... "I don't know what parody is, but I know it when I see it," this isn't parody. It's not wandering into the ridiculous to tell a joke. It's really trying to be serious, edgy, and whatever other random adjective that some exec wanted in the add.
You might not share the same humour as many others do, I found its absurdity funny, not "ha ha" funny but "heh" funny.
True so far as it goes. I find it hilarious, that there was an idiot in marketing dumb enough to greenlight this mess. But as for the video itself, there isn't really a joke here that doesn't end with egg on the publisher's face.
 

RedEyesBlackGamer

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Vrex360 said:
Huh, evidently the message needs to be more overt.

[HEADING=1]IT IS NOT THAT WOMEN DIED IN THE AD, IT'S BECAUSE THEY FELT THE NEED TO SEXUALIZE THE WOMEN DYING THAT IS THE CAUSE OF CONTROVERSY!![/HEADING]

Can we stop with the fucking 'if it were men you wouldn't be angry' bullshit now? Because if it were men, then they wouldn't be being sexualized!! Which is the reason that there was a controversy!

My god I can't believe so many people can read the woman's article and completely miss the point that she made over and over again and instead make up an argument born of their own imagination and diminish it.
Can you say 'Straw man in pathetic attempt to portray wounded puppy routine'?


I've already made a massive post on this so I'll leave the link for it:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.376929-My-views-on-the-controversy-over-the-new-Hitman-trailer?page=2#14702444

No offence Grey, but I'd hoped you of all people would have a better understanding of what the issue was. I like your work, it's pretty smart and well done for the most part and I like the character Erin Stout that you created, I just don't like it when people add to the fire rather than put it out.

EDIT: Oh never mind, just saw that you quote mined one out-of-context section of her argument and didn't leave a link to the article for people check. I'm just going to leave a link and leave a quote from her article:

"Let?s be clear here: the problem is not that Agent 47 is graphically murdering a group of women, though that?s pretty nasty. It?s that it fetishizes the violence and sexualises the women, drawing a clear line between sex and graphic violence that makes the trailer really distressing to watch, and leaves you questioning who the hell it?s designed to appeal to."

Source:http://au.ign.com/articles/2012/05/30/opinion-what-the-hell-is-with-that-hitman-trailer

EDIT: Also she doesn't project an ideology onto the ad, that bit about them 'deserving it' was just a passing reference.
Thank god. Someone gets it. Christ, the complaint isn't that women are killed. The problem isn't the nun outfits or that they are women. It is what they are wearing after they take off the nun outfits.
Point is, we will never see a trailer of a bunch of male assassins in tight shorts with no shirts on getting murdered while the camera does close ups of their pecks and asses.
 
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Why is everyone acting so surprised? This a period in gaming that still has Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive and Bayonetta and a score of other games I can't even think of where women are sexualised.

But you know what? This trailer shows that Hitman is taking a turn for the weird and surreal which is not something that happens enough in games.