You know what would have made a better trailer.
If the actual mothafuking Third Street Saints served as the antagonists.
If the actual mothafuking Third Street Saints served as the antagonists.
Hitman: Plan B
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While it isn't "the worst thing to happen to women" in a game, I do think it does bring up a bit of an issue in games. Namely the whole; if we're going to have them kill women we might as well let them see their underwear first.
That's not completely bad on its own, but I doubt the guys 47 is going to kill are going to strip before they die.
Anyway I think Carter brought up a bit less questionable problem with the whole this doesn't really look like Hitman action.
You would think they would use an assassination to show off the game, but no; "Lets go with the crazy action bit that looks like it got rejected from the Kill Bill movies for being over the top", they said. Again, not to bad on its own, but I don't think that's what Hitman is suppose to be about, and like Carter said that by itself is bad advertising. Unless that is what the game is like, then it's just truthful advertising.
That's not completely bad on its own, but I doubt the guys 47 is going to kill are going to strip before they die.
Anyway I think Carter brought up a bit less questionable problem with the whole this doesn't really look like Hitman action.
You would think they would use an assassination to show off the game, but no; "Lets go with the crazy action bit that looks like it got rejected from the Kill Bill movies for being over the top", they said. Again, not to bad on its own, but I don't think that's what Hitman is suppose to be about, and like Carter said that by itself is bad advertising. Unless that is what the game is like, then it's just truthful advertising.
Everything you said made perfect sense.Vrex360 said:
Thinking back to this trailer, I can honestly say that they are going for every kind of controversy they can get their hands on.
A group of women, dressed as nuns, take off their clothes, but are actually wearing very obviously sexual clothing rather than tactical gear, are brutally killed by a man, who casually kills them, even over-powering a few and taking no damage from their attacks.
7 issues! That is an issuemanjaro!
This really is a fucked up trailer...
It is more of a *poke* "ow that kind of hurt" *BRUTALIZES NUN THAT SLASHED HIM*, than any real harm.JohnDoey said:
Yes he is the heroin, but I'm pretty sure a trained assassin with a pair of daggers that has your back exposed, is smart enough to plant them in your exposed kidneys.
Maybe if they were bread knives she would have done more dps? HEYOOOO~!!!
I know you were kidding, obviously I was making a comment on what the woman from IGN said. I find it ridiculous that sometimes the people who want to be treated the same as the other sex want to be treated differently.Torrasque said:I had to read this a few times to understand what you were saying, but I don't think it is your fault. I kind of haven't slept in 24 hours and am only awake because of cool jazz and MonsterOniaPL said:
You realize I am kidding right? I am making fun of the people who consider the gender of the person being killed (or doing the killing) an important factor. I really don't see the difference between a woman trying to kill someone and a man trying to kill someone.
Sure I may consider the woman in tight leather pants, sexier than the man in tight leather pants, but that is a different thing, lol.
Honestly I like the trailer because I hold hope that at some point in the game 47 joins forces with the battle nuns and becomes a battle priest and together they form the roving battle church officials gang, going on wicked church based adventures. Also from the bread knives comment, I want a mission were the only weapon you have is a stale bagel and the packet of jelly.Torrasque said:
Oh ok, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.OniaPL said:I know you were kidding, obviously I was making a comment on what the woman from IGN said. I find it ridiculous that sometimes the people who want to be treated the same as the other sex want to be treated differently.Torrasque said:I had to read this a few times to understand what you were saying, but I don't think it is your fault. I kind of haven't slept in 24 hours and am only awake because of cool jazz and MonsterOniaPL said:
You realize I am kidding right? I am making fun of the people who consider the gender of the person being killed (or doing the killing) an important factor. I really don't see the difference between a woman trying to kill someone and a man trying to kill someone.
Sure I may consider the woman in tight leather pants, sexier than the man in tight leather pants, but that is a different thing, lol.
Just a few more hours and I can get some sleep...
Stab proof vest? Be a fairly clever investment in has line of work. Also he is the hero, not a brand of opiate painkiller.Torrasque said:
OT: Yeah, if this had been a guy dispatching a band of female mercs in tac gear then it would have felt a bit odd but sticking them in sexy nun fancy dress is a bit of an eyebrow raiser. I mean, did you see the shoes at the start? Walking in something like that must be a mare, let alone engaging in hand to hand combat, sneaking around quietly or maintaining your balance while firing a weapon.
My bad. It seems I misspelled heroine, but that is a female hero, which is also wrong. I blame lack of sleep.DirtyJunkieScum said:
I doubt he has a stab-proof vest since he has always been the kind of assassin that kills a target without threat of retaliation, or kills multiple targets so fast that he doesn't have to worry about being stabbed. Seeing this kind of combat is just weird.
The only thing I'll say about the trailer (because everyone else pretty much covered the "Is it sexist or not" aspect) is that I just hope that the nuns actually are in the game, because if it's one thing that grinds my gears, its not controversy, but controversy that isn't even there for the final product. At least stick to your guns when doing things like this and add what you show, even if people don't like it. Seeing as how weird/crazy/sexualized all the other enemies in previous games have been, there's no reason why nuns-with-guns CAN'T fit in this games universe.
CAPTCHA: count your change
Huh, oh you're right, I should make sure I didn't lose anything! Surely nothing bad can happen if-- *Neck snapped by 47*
CAPTCHA: count your change
Huh, oh you're right, I should make sure I didn't lose anything! Surely nothing bad can happen if-- *Neck snapped by 47*
You turn a corner, and see a guy in full body armour. he;s obviously well trained, and is armed. in fact he's drawing a bead on you right now, you shoot him, and kill him.Blablahb said:
You turn a corner, and see a woman in lacy underwear. She obviously a civilian and is unarmed. in fact her eyes are widening in fear as she's seeing an armed man advancing on her. You shoot her, and kill her.
Again, the point is CONTEXT. Sexualised violence by its very definition adds an unnecessary and unpleasant dimension of sexuality to the situation. Your not fighting a dangerous man or woman who looks like he/she is a soldier/bodyguard/minion of evil, your fighting an underwear model who's flashing her boobs at you. She's not a threat, she's some T&A for you to ogle. Combining that witht he fact your supposed to kill her... yeah, its all a bit on the creepy side.
I actually watched a gameplay vid of the 'doorstop' situation alluded to in a previous critical miss. Ignoring the bits where you kill monsters, you essentially have a burly, powerful man pushing and dragging a weak, frightened, near naked woman (some censor blurs added by the video itself showing she's at least topless, so the male viewers can ogle her tits) before literally using her in a manner that kills her.
Yeah I have to admit when I saw them at first I thought "Battle Nuns? Well it's an effective disguise, you can probably hide some weapons in the outfit, it puts targets at ease it's reasonable to say they'd make good assasins" Then then outfits came off and the RPGs came out and the trailer looked less like it was for a subtle assasination game and more like a boring and bland third person shooter with some done to death gimic like bullet time.GangstaPony said:
It really is incredible how most guys just don't get why something like this is sexist. It goes a long way towards explaining why casual, mindless sexism still exists.
The trailer is about a large group of personality-and-identity-free scantily clad women being beaten, choked, and shot to death by a large well-dressed white man. They even provide a scene of him getting himself ready in the bathroom, in order to humanize him. The women are, of course, pure fap material and largely interchangeable. They are dressed in ways to make their profession totally impractical and nothing they do makes any logical sense, so it's a bit like violence porno.
If you cannot see the problem with the glorification of ruthless violence committed on sexualized, dehumanized women, then you are a little behind on your societal sensitivity, my friend.
Yes, a lot of games involve of killing hordes of men. Yes, a lot of those men tend to be faceless drones served up for murder. But ask yourself this: how many of them are depicted in such a way as to give you an erection while you're killing them?
It's dumb, it's insulting, and really, we *should* be way past this. The fact that we clearly are *not* is the problem, gents. Get yourself some class and get with the zeitgeist before it runs you over.
The trailer is about a large group of personality-and-identity-free scantily clad women being beaten, choked, and shot to death by a large well-dressed white man. They even provide a scene of him getting himself ready in the bathroom, in order to humanize him. The women are, of course, pure fap material and largely interchangeable. They are dressed in ways to make their profession totally impractical and nothing they do makes any logical sense, so it's a bit like violence porno.
If you cannot see the problem with the glorification of ruthless violence committed on sexualized, dehumanized women, then you are a little behind on your societal sensitivity, my friend.
Yes, a lot of games involve of killing hordes of men. Yes, a lot of those men tend to be faceless drones served up for murder. But ask yourself this: how many of them are depicted in such a way as to give you an erection while you're killing them?
It's dumb, it's insulting, and really, we *should* be way past this. The fact that we clearly are *not* is the problem, gents. Get yourself some class and get with the zeitgeist before it runs you over.
He should though, things can always go wrong, it doesn't hurt to be prepared. If he can be attacked by a bunch of women in sexy nun outfits then pretty much anything can happen.Torrasque said: