Hitman: Plan B

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MatsVS

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Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.
 

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Grey Carter said:
Hitman: Plan B

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did you use that april fools tomb raider joke character 'valkyrie wyld' i think was the name, in the last panel?
 

Suicidejim

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Oh dear. I feel I should be making more of an effort to care, but at the same time I think my apathy is the only thing stopping me from being dragged headlong into what is fast shaping up to be a flamewar.

I hope the game's good though.
 

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MatsVS said:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.
I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.
 

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Crimson_Dragoon said:
MatsVS said:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.
I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.
What I took from their newspost was that the trailer is pretty stupid, but Hitman trailers tend to be and that it is no reflection of the medium as a whole that one design team made one stupid segment in one game.

Maybe I'm a sexist pig but this just doesn't offend me.
 

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I think the "controversy" would be worse if the assassins were male. Just picture them as a group of monks. The camera stares lovingly at their butts, they take off their habits and put plastic balls in their mouths. They are wearing just a few strips of latex, the camera zooms in on their hanging genitals and muscular chests...as they are being brutally killed.
 

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Let's make another virtually identical trailer, only with a female Agent 47 and male monks wearing bondage gear under their robes, and all will be well.
 

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Is it me, or does the left nun sort of looks like....a love doll...?

Those shines, those distant looking eyes and those large lips...he got attacked by a scantly clad nun and a blowup doll wearing a nun suit?
 

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I would have to agree. Your protagonist is a contract killer. These aren't generally nice people, not the sort of people you root for. I just watched the trailer that this was based on and I'm kind of dumbfounded as to put in to words how fucking stupid that was. I played the first hitman when it came out and it was kind of fun, in a morbidly interesting way, but this is like a combination of that game and saints row, just bursting with pixels of idiocy.
 

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Crimson_Dragoon said:
MatsVS said:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.
I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.
They certainly went a long way to avoid condemning it, and taken in conjunction with the Dickwolves-fiasco and Gabe's pathetic defence of the rape simulator, a pattern emerges. Honestly, they keep missing the point so profusely, one must wonder if this is some elaborate prank at the expense of feminists and feminist allies everywhere.

"The answer is always more art; the corollary to that is the answer is never less art."

Yes, less rapey art can NEVER be a good thing.
 

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Considering that the entire basis of this game is to skillfully murder people, I'd stay that person at IGN has their wires crossed.

Also, considering that some of Agent 47's previous missions have involved obese butchers at fetish parties, porn barons at christmas shindigs, and anarchists in bird costumes, this isn't even the oddest thing I've seen in a Hitman game.
Yes, but so far the entire concept of Hitman has been skillful, pragmatic, and intelligent murder. The eyebrow-raising characters in previous games were always part of a legitimately seedy scenario. The stripper angels were placed in a sex club, the christmas shindig was at a porn baron's hideout, and the fat butcher was at an underground fetish/night club.
Without explanation this is nothing more than the umpteenth variation of "chain mail bikini and stiletto heels" being taken seriously as combat attire.

It might not be the oddest thing to feature in a Hitman game, but coming from a series that always has been about intelligent execution it certainly is the most worrisome.

As to the series having a track record of fetishizing violence: guilty as charged. Heck, it's a game centered around finding creative ways to stealthily (and quite likely: brutally) murder your targets. It's really not going to dodge that claim.

Denamic said:
Let's make another virtually identical trailer, only with a female Agent 47 and male monks wearing bondage gear under their robes, and all will be well.
Now that would be something you'd expect in a Hitman game.
 

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Isn't everyone also forgetting that Hitman has had this problem before?

There was a series of "Executed" ads, in which a woman was dead in lingerie, on a bed, and the tag-line was "Beautifully executed". Pretty much the same controversy reared it's head then. Here it is (sorry for stupidly long link):

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB402GB402&biw=1280&bih=929&tbm=isch&tbnid=UFHgGQlX7KFUvM:&imgrefurl=http://kitzy-katzy.deviantart.com/art/Beautifully-executed-56158244&docid=O3D-hvw3NjMO8M&imgurl=http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs18/i/2007/146/2/d/Beautifully_executed_by_kitzy_katzy.jpg&w=600&h=375&ei=5R3JT_vSHJDf8QPi4v3VDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=182&vpy=166&dur=304&hovh=138&hovw=198&tx=150&ty=114&sig=105452377303409182584&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=191&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:71

Isn't the same problem inherent in pretty much every CSI episode? You have some woman, usually in a bikini, murdered for some reason or other, and quite a lot of the episode features her on post-mortem tables, or being rolled out of cabinets. I stopped watching the show because it began to feel worryingly voyeuristic.

I'm not justifying it, really - but it's a far wider problem than just this one trailer.

For reference: the other "Executed" posters:
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB402GB402&biw=1280&bih=929&tbm=isch&tbnid=UFHgGQlX7KFUvM:&imgrefurl=http://kitzy-katzy.deviantart.com/art/Beautifully-executed-56158244&docid=O3D-hvw3NjMO8M&imgurl=http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs18/i/2007/146/2/d/Beautifully_executed_by_kitzy_katzy.jpg&w=600&h=375&ei=5R3JT_vSHJDf8QPi4v3VDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=182&vpy=166&dur=304&hovh=138&hovw=198&tx=150&ty=114&sig=105452377303409182584&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=191&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:71

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB402GB402&biw=1280&bih=929&tbm=isch&tbnid=XKBJ4ERm-GeoQM:&imgrefurl=http://www.giantbomb.com/hitman/62-306/&docid=KikY1e4HMfPsCM&imgurl=http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3107/407260-coldy_exectued_super.jpg&w=600&h=450&ei=lx7JT5WoGM6u8QO3x5XZDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=443&sig=105452377303409182584&page=1&tbnh=125&tbnw=156&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:69&tx=76&ty=10
 

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MatsVS said:
Crimson_Dragoon said:
MatsVS said:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.
I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.
They certainly went a long way to avoid condemning it, and taken in conjunction with the Dickwolves-fiasco and Gabe's pathetic defence of the rape simulator, a pattern emerges. Honestly, they keep missing the point so profusely, one must wonder if this is some elaborate prank at the expense of feminists and feminist allies everywhere.

"The answer is always more art; the corollary to that is the answer is never less art."

Yes, less rapey art can NEVER be a good thing.
Depends on how much you like hentai.

All kidding aside, I just don't see it. Yes, Penny Arcade has made jokes about rape before. But all that says is that they don't see the subject as some sort of imaginary line they shouldn't cross. Is it tasteless or unfunny? I guess that depends on who's viewing it. But making a joke about something and actually supporting that thing are not two and the same.

Besides, the guys at Penny Arcade usually take a "live and let live" attitude to everything. As in "if you like it, have at it; if you don't, pass it by."
 

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While it's not quite the attack against women some have seen it as, it certainly is dumb and, assuming the shock value was intentional (why wouldn't it be?) really quite pathetic. Is this how videogame advertising is always going to be? Are we going to see 47 strangling a baby in the next trailer to rile up the controversey machine?
You mean strangling a baby... in slow motion!

Yeah it's stupid, but it probably worked. I started to watch the trailer and then I realised I was too tired for this rubbish but I'm pretty sure if you didn't know a Hitman game was coming out, you know now
 

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That it can be claimed that wearing sexualizing outfits 'distracts' people in a fight with a straight face is rather astounding. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get to that point. They're not dressed that way to distract the Hitman. If they really wanted to kill him, they should have just waited for him to come outside, kept the nun costumes on, and then riddled him with bullets when he least expected it.

They wore those outfits to titillate *you*. After all, I don't know of many video games heroes who go around dressed like a male stripper in order to 'distract' their opponents. No, men usually get full suits of armor or, in this case, snappy business suits. Women, of course, get to be "sexy _________" because that is their role. To titillate us.

And then of course the square-jawed professional beats the hell out of them with little effort on his part. Maybe because he wasn't inexplicably wearing high-heeled fetish boots to a hit.

Ridiculous and insulting.