Holy crap, Frozen suuuuuucks.

[Grampy_bone]

That said I get the impression that Elsa can do whatever she wants with Ice when she concentrates, and the thing she is focusing on happens, but due to her subconscious the power leaks and does whatever it's going to do. The gloves probably work by being a psychological focus, not because the clothing blocks her powers, but because he mind views them as doing so which keeps her subconscious under control. Throughout sci-fi and fantasy there have been similar things. That said the movie is not very explicit in setting up it's concepts, just beating you over the head with it's "messages" which was the intent of the film more than the story.

While Anna faces the dreaded Evil Dominant Male, Elsa's battle is with the insidious force of low self-esteem. The prevailing opinion in society is that women's main problem is that they don't think highly enough of themselves. Elsa can't use her powers effectively until she is able to "let it go" and accepts just how awesome and wonderful she is. You go girl. *sigh*

The song (which is quite catchy and well-produced) it just a great big anthem to female narcissism.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Idiots- "It's the first Disney film where the girl don't need no man!" (Except when she does.)

Me- "Brave did it first. There was no love interest in that movie. She did it all on her own and was a total fucking badass."

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

I liked Frozen. Character designs felt right, etc. It came together in a fairly tight package.

But they needed at least one more song in there somewhere I feel. But if you were to ask me where I would have put it, I have no idea.

Frozen is kind of tricky like that. I think for most viewers it works, but where it doesn't work is kind of a puzzle. Is Olaf too annoying? Was the Good-Prince-turned-Scuzzball inevitability a little too telegraphed? All in all, ehh. I liked it but it could have been legitimately something I love. I've got a feeling it was one good song from that. Coming from a movie with a fantastic album already.

One and a half thumbs up, could have been two. I wanted to lift Mr. Lefty and extend it well past the knuckle. Didn't quite get there.

 

[TheArcaneThinker]

The premise of frozen was just too childish to the point that i didnt see it...
I am still waiting for a movie like tarzan or incredibles to be made....

 

[mecegirl]

Idiots- "It's the first Disney film where the girl don't need no man!" (Except when she does.)

Me- "Brave did it first. There was no love interest in that movie. She did it all on her own and was a total fucking badass."

Oh oh! What about "It's the first Disney film that focuses on sisterly love"

Cuz Lilo and Stich doesn't exist.

Or "Well Elsa becomes a queen! "

Cuz the Atlantis movie didn't happen.

Or "The lead female character actually fights!"

Yep...totes ignoring Mulan.

 

[Spider RedNight]

Me- "Brave did it first. There was no love interest in that movie. She did it all on her own and was a total fucking badass."

My problem with Brave was that Merida was REALLY selfish. Like... for real? Letting three clans go to war because she doesn't WANT to get married?

She demands respect and freedom without taking any of the responsibility that comes with being royal; she likes doing what she wants but not what she apparently "has" to and that's get married. She disrespects her parents, she leaves messes just lying around for other people to clean up, she ruins things even though they're of obvious importance to her mom (though to be fair, mom did it first) and taunts her for being a bear and thus VERY out of her environment.

I can't help but feel like Merida sends mixed messages about where the line is between "independent" and "selfish". Granted, I suppose she's better than, say, Ariel or especially Aurora. But hell if I know.

If you ask me (and no one ever does lol), I feel that Tiana very well might've been able to hold Princess and the Frog on her own by just being a platonic life partner to Naveen because SHE was independent. SHE kicked some serious ass.

Oh oh! What about "It's the first Disney film that focuses on sisterly love"

Cuz Lilo and Stich doesn't exist.

Or "Well Elsa becomes a queen! "

Cuz the Atlantis movie didn't happen.

Or "The lead female character actually fights!"

Yep...totes ignoring Mulan.

I actually love that at the end of Atlantis, the characters don't even kiss. They just share a warm embrace. I don't remember another time that a kiss hasn't been shared between romantic characters (excluding animals like Fox and the Hound)

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Idiots- "It's the first Disney film where the girl don't need no man!" (Except when she does.)

Me- "Brave did it first. There was no love interest in that movie. She did it all on her own and was a total fucking badass."

Oh oh! What about "It's the first Disney film that focuses on sisterly love"

Cuz Lilo and Stich doesn't exist.

Or "Well Elsa becomes a queen! "

Cuz the Atlantis movie didn't happen.

Or "The lead female character actually fights!"

Yep...totes ignoring Mulan.

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

 

[mecegirl]

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

I hated that Atlantis didn't become more popular. It was a really fun film.

 

[Redryhno]

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

I hated that Atlantis didn't become more popular. It was a really fun film.

To be fair, Atlantis was created at the wrong point in time I think and wasn't marketed all that well. It had a pretty mature artstyle, contained some really dark material and themes for a kid's movie, and the writing wasn't completely intended for anyone much under the age of 12 I'd say.

That said, I'm going to have to disagree with you about Kida, she didn't become queen, she became a pretty legitimate demi-god at the very least. But I haven't seen it in a while, so maybe I'm forgetting details.

 

[Fox12]

Idiots- "It's the first Disney film where the girl don't need no man!" (Except when she does.)

Me- "Brave did it first. There was no love interest in that movie. She did it all on her own and was a total fucking badass."

I would argue it goes back even further.

Mulan? Pocahontas? Mrs. Incredible? Lilo and her sister? I would argue that there are numerous ways to be heroic, and not all of them involve a sword.

Though, if we're going to celebrate badass female Disney characters in 2014, then I think mononoke would like to have a talk with you, Disney, from the distant time of 1997.

 

[mecegirl]

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

I hated that Atlantis didn't become more popular. It was a really fun film.

To be fair, Atlantis was created at the wrong point in time I think and wasn't marketed all that well. It had a pretty mature artstyle, contained some really dark material and themes for a kid's movie, and the writing wasn't completely intended for anyone much under the age of 12 I'd say.

That said, I'm going to have to disagree with you about Kida, she didn't become queen, she became a pretty legitimate demi-god at the very least. But I haven't seen it in a while, so maybe I'm forgetting details.

She became both actually. See as her mothers child she was always going to be the one chosen to absorb the Heart of Atlantis' power. And just like her mother she wielded her power to save Atlantis.

Kida's mom

Kida

But by the end of the movie, her father, the king/chief whatever title you want to give him, is killed. Leaving her in charge of her people.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Idiots- "It's the first Disney film where the girl don't need no man!" (Except when she does.)

Me- "Brave did it first. There was no love interest in that movie. She did it all on her own and was a total fucking badass."

Oh oh! What about "It's the first Disney film that focuses on sisterly love"

Cuz Lilo and Stich doesn't exist.

Or "Well Elsa becomes a queen! "

Cuz the Atlantis movie didn't happen.

Or "The lead female character actually fights!"

Yep...totes ignoring Mulan.

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

Lilo and Stich was never about the revalation of sisterly love being stronger then a outside person you just met. Lilo and Nala were always loving and supportive of each other, UNLIKE Elsa who didn't trust and ignored Anna. Which in turn gave Anna attachment issues explaining her wanting to marry Hans so fast after one party. Lilo and Stich was about acceptance of people who are different, and looming past the outside.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Much prefer this version:

But yeah, it sucked and people need to get over it... I swear the next person to sing that song at me... I'll start swinging!

I'm just biding my time until Tangled becomes popular again. Viva la Tangled!

I was a huge fan of Frozen, but the honest trailer is a hoot; I can no longer hear 'Love is an Open Door' as anything other than 'We're gonna Pork' now.

Plus the movie isn't perfect, aside from Let It Go, most of the songs are really awkwardly inserted into the narrative, Tangled's songs all flowed in very naturally.

 

[Augustine]

'Tis just a Disney cartoon. No more, no less.

Most of the world know exactly what that entails. Sometimes Disney happens to strike the right cord with the audience of the time, and the gets overwhelming praise. But in broad view, Disney work was pretty level. They were all pretty good, some better, some worse. Five(Two?) years from now, Frozen will be just another film in their massive library.

 

[chikusho]

Huge plot holes in this movie.

I mean, just look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtCXUFImZYE

How are they able to move so fast between rooms in the castle, the roof and some waterfall cave while still keeping the song in synch? Are they singing the song multiple times, or simply taking a break during each set piece only to continue when they get to the next scene?

And here, Let it go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Where does the music come from? I didn't see any orchestras anywhere. Are they just living in the mountains?

Piece of shit movie. Makes no sense at all.

 

[cathou]

Snip

funny, i just finished the movie today for the 25th time (i'm not obsess with it, i just happen to have 2 years old daughter that is) and after a dozen time or so, it kind of make sense.

First the glove. nobody said they were ordinary gloves. i think they are magic gloves that contain her powers it's not just that her unglov hand can shot ice, it's that the glove themself contain the power from all her body.

Then emotions are the key factor there. her fear had stop her from using her powers corretly, so once she's all alone, she have no fear that someone see her power, and no fear to hurt someone, so she's better in controling them. and she stay in her room by fear of hurting her sister again. and their parents actually feed that fear

i guess the ice to the head is acting more rapidly from the head, and in her heart it have to spread around his body...

maybe their parents were going to get some help when they died, and that's why she never had a mentor (of course that nullify the unify Disney theory that say that they were going to raspunzel wedding, so i prefer to think that they just didnt found someone to help her before they die)

Hans part actually make sense. he want the crown, realised that anna is very naive, so he hook up with her. but unless they get married, he cannot have any view on the throne, that's why he's doing everything he can to save her, until he have to chance to get rid of her. it's also why he save Elsa, because at that point he doesnt know if Anna is alive or not, so in case, he try to get Elsa alive. He's kind with the people, because he know that he might need supports from Inside the casstle to be king if something happen to both sisters.

for Olaf, well, personal taste i guess, i think he was ok. And i cannot really comment on the song, since i Watch the movie dubbed in french, i dont really know how the songs sounds in english

 

[FPLOON]

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

I hated that Atlantis didn't become more popular. It was a really fun film.

To be fair, Atlantis was created at the wrong point in time I think and wasn't marketed all that well. It had a pretty mature artstyle, contained some really dark material and themes for a kid's movie, and the writing wasn't completely intended for anyone much under the age of 12 I'd say.

Huh... Then I guess at the age of 8, I was a pretty mature 12+ year old...

But seriously, it was literally <link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkrkTgICzHM>the first trailer I saw of Atlantis: The Lost Empire that got me hooked onto just the concept of the movie, itself... plus, those last moments in the trailer with Kida basically solidified my choice of wanting to see that movie on opening day, kinda...

Also, the twist involving

Spoiler: the reveal of the main antagonist

most of the crew showing their true motives for helping Milo even find Atlantis in the first place

not only surprised me, but at the time made me think that it was pretty clever once I re-watched the movie again on VHS...

 

[Lunar Templar]

It's actually displayed early on, Elsa can control her powers just fine when she's not forcing it. It's not until after she start suppressing them that she starts really having problems with them

 

[Chaos Isaac]

Yeah. The movie sucked.

Plot sucked. Characters sucked. Music sucked hard.

It's a shame it's popular, but then again, I think the same thing about Twilight so whatever. Stupid stuff is what people likes.