Holy crap, Frozen suuuuuucks.

[BoredRolePlayer]

Idiots- "It's the first Disney film where the girl don't need no man!" (Except when she does.)

Me- "Brave did it first. There was no love interest in that movie. She did it all on her own and was a total fucking badass."

Oh oh! What about "It's the first Disney film that focuses on sisterly love"

Cuz Lilo and Stich doesn't exist.

Or "Well Elsa becomes a queen! "

Cuz the Atlantis movie didn't happen.

Or "The lead female character actually fights!"

Yep...totes ignoring Mulan.

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

Lilo and Stich was never about the revalation of sisterly love being stronger then a outside person you just met. Lilo and Nala were always loving and supportive of each other, UNLIKE Elsa who didn't trust and ignored Anna. Which in turn gave Anna attachment issues explaining her wanting to marry Hans so fast after one party. Lilo and Stich was about acceptance of people who are different, and looming past the outside.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Much prefer this version:

But yeah, it sucked and people need to get over it... I swear the next person to sing that song at me... I'll start swinging!

I'm just biding my time until Tangled becomes popular again. Viva la Tangled!

I was a huge fan of Frozen, but the honest trailer is a hoot; I can no longer hear 'Love is an Open Door' as anything other than 'We're gonna Pork' now.

Plus the movie isn't perfect, aside from Let It Go, most of the songs are really awkwardly inserted into the narrative, Tangled's songs all flowed in very naturally.

 

[Augustine]

'Tis just a Disney cartoon. No more, no less.

Most of the world know exactly what that entails. Sometimes Disney happens to strike the right cord with the audience of the time, and the gets overwhelming praise. But in broad view, Disney work was pretty level. They were all pretty good, some better, some worse. Five(Two?) years from now, Frozen will be just another film in their massive library.

 

[chikusho]

Huge plot holes in this movie.

I mean, just look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtCXUFImZYE

How are they able to move so fast between rooms in the castle, the roof and some waterfall cave while still keeping the song in synch? Are they singing the song multiple times, or simply taking a break during each set piece only to continue when they get to the next scene?

And here, Let it go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Where does the music come from? I didn't see any orchestras anywhere. Are they just living in the mountains?

Piece of shit movie. Makes no sense at all.

 

[cathou]

Snip

funny, i just finished the movie today for the 25th time (i'm not obsess with it, i just happen to have 2 years old daughter that is) and after a dozen time or so, it kind of make sense.

First the glove. nobody said they were ordinary gloves. i think they are magic gloves that contain her powers it's not just that her unglov hand can shot ice, it's that the glove themself contain the power from all her body.

Then emotions are the key factor there. her fear had stop her from using her powers corretly, so once she's all alone, she have no fear that someone see her power, and no fear to hurt someone, so she's better in controling them. and she stay in her room by fear of hurting her sister again. and their parents actually feed that fear

i guess the ice to the head is acting more rapidly from the head, and in her heart it have to spread around his body...

maybe their parents were going to get some help when they died, and that's why she never had a mentor (of course that nullify the unify Disney theory that say that they were going to raspunzel wedding, so i prefer to think that they just didnt found someone to help her before they die)

Hans part actually make sense. he want the crown, realised that anna is very naive, so he hook up with her. but unless they get married, he cannot have any view on the throne, that's why he's doing everything he can to save her, until he have to chance to get rid of her. it's also why he save Elsa, because at that point he doesnt know if Anna is alive or not, so in case, he try to get Elsa alive. He's kind with the people, because he know that he might need supports from Inside the casstle to be king if something happen to both sisters.

for Olaf, well, personal taste i guess, i think he was ok. And i cannot really comment on the song, since i Watch the movie dubbed in french, i dont really know how the songs sounds in english

 

[FPLOON]

Pretty much. People treat it like it's some special film. It's not. Plus, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, and Mulan are all far better films.

I hated that Atlantis didn't become more popular. It was a really fun film.

To be fair, Atlantis was created at the wrong point in time I think and wasn't marketed all that well. It had a pretty mature artstyle, contained some really dark material and themes for a kid's movie, and the writing wasn't completely intended for anyone much under the age of 12 I'd say.

Huh... Then I guess at the age of 8, I was a pretty mature 12+ year old...

But seriously, it was literally <link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkrkTgICzHM>the first trailer I saw of Atlantis: The Lost Empire that got me hooked onto just the concept of the movie, itself... plus, those last moments in the trailer with Kida basically solidified my choice of wanting to see that movie on opening day, kinda...

Also, the twist involving

Spoiler: the reveal of the main antagonist

most of the crew showing their true motives for helping Milo even find Atlantis in the first place

not only surprised me, but at the time made me think that it was pretty clever once I re-watched the movie again on VHS...

 

[Lunar Templar]

It's actually displayed early on, Elsa can control her powers just fine when she's not forcing it. It's not until after she start suppressing them that she starts really having problems with them

 

[Chaos Isaac]

Yeah. The movie sucked.

Plot sucked. Characters sucked. Music sucked hard.

It's a shame it's popular, but then again, I think the same thing about Twilight so whatever. Stupid stuff is what people likes.

 

[Sanderpower]

I think the problem is that you're looking at this as just a simple animation movie. This isn't a Pixar film, this is a fairy tale. If you look at it from that perspective, you'll enjoy it a lot more.

 

[Kashrlyyk]

Snip.

You forgot to mention how the entire plot is completely contrived because the King and Queen are complete fucking morons.

The king knows enough to know about the trolls and respect their wisdom and knowledge on magical things. That's why he takes Anna to them when she gets a frosty facial. After curing Anna, the troll shaman then gives the parents some advice, saying specifically that Elsa's power can be a great and beautiful thing or it can be terrible and destructive. What can make it terrible and destructive? Fear. Quote: "Fear is the enemy."

And so how do the parents interpret the shaman's wise words? "Let's lock Elsa away from EVERYONE because she's so incredibly dangerous, thus ensuring that she'll grow up to be absolutely terrified of herself and her powers." Which, in turn, leads to the rest of the plot of the movie. Had the parents, you know, actually listened to the troll shaman they would have known that it was a bad idea to lock Elsa away and teach her to fear herself because she's a monster who must always "conceal, don't feel" lest she haul off and kill someone. Not just a bad idea, but the exact opposite of what the troll - the only authority on magic in the movie that we're shown - tells them to do.

Yep, that was what ruined the movie for me. The ENTIRE story is based on an "idiot plot decision".

Also:
Why is Anna not indifferent or even hatefull towards Elsa? Getting ignored for around 15 years and no hard feelings?

 

[Ieyke]

Frozen's great.
It's not perfect or the greatest thing ever, but it's great.

 

[Casual Shinji]

- The geography doesn't make a lick of sense.
- Rapunzels hair defies the laws of space and time on nearly every occasion when it isn't played for laughs.

Spoiler

- Why the fuck doesn't the dude let Rapunzel heal him before cutting off her hair?

Okay, I don't like the movie, I just wanted to add my own nitpicks.

Spoiler

Well, I would assume not to give Gothel any "window" of oppertunity to pull Rapunzel out of arm's length the second she was done healing. That's what I would do if I was Gothel.

I can nitpick the shit out of Tangled (just like any other film), but the movie still works for me because the themes generally come across just fine. With Frozen, I don't care how or why Elsa got frost powers or how they work. Those are just technicalities in a Fantasy film. What bothers me is that it completely bungles the message and theme it's trying to convey.

 

[faefrost]

Sounds like someone needs to build a snowman....



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I dunno, I liked the movie, but I also agree with pretty much every point you made. A lot of it doesn't make sense when you stop to look at it. Some of the songs were really unneeded and would've been just as good if they'd been cut.

I'm just biding my time until Tangled becomes popular again. Viva la Tangled!

If you want to be technical about it Frozen is a semi sequel to Tangled, in that it is set in the same world and you can roughly determine the points in time. Rapunzel and Eugene appear in Frozen at Elsa's coronation. The strong yet unsaid implication is that the coronation is roughly 3 years after the end scene of Tangled. And the King and Queens ship sank crossing the North Sea traveling to either Rapunzel's coronation or wedding.

Also some of the story elements make a little more sense once you realize that Elsa's powers are basically just a super magical stand in for dealing with mental illness such as Schizophrenia in the family.

Personally I think the movie is good and entertaining, with the best most consistent string of songs that Disney has put out in a single movie since Lion King. But the story itself is spotty and overrated. Tangled has a better story and better developed characters. Frozen is a good movie, but it does not come close to the true all around amazing perfection of something like Beauty and the Beast. Which is what I think a lot of latecomers were expecting after all the hype.

 

[Entitled]

this entire topic is so...edgy?...it's hilarious.

...just the fact it exists even...

XD

The only thing edgier than calling Frozen a piece of shit, is calling Frozen "obviously not the greatest movie ever, but otherwise pretty OK".

The double-edged sword of controversial opinions!

 

[ryan_cs]

Huge plot holes in this movie.

I mean, just look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtCXUFImZYE

How are they able to move so fast between rooms in the castle, the roof and some waterfall cave while still keeping the song in synch? Are they singing the song multiple times, or simply taking a break during each set piece only to continue when they get to the next scene?

And here, Let it go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Where does the music come from? I didn't see any orchestras anywhere. Are they just living in the mountains?

Piece of shit movie. Makes no sense at all.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MusicalWorldHypotheses

It's either all in their heads or the songs are merely a dramatic reconstruction of what really happened.
Musicals do this a lot.

 

[chikusho]

Huge plot holes in this movie.

I mean, just look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtCXUFImZYE

How are they able to move so fast between rooms in the castle, the roof and some waterfall cave while still keeping the song in synch? Are they singing the song multiple times, or simply taking a break during each set piece only to continue when they get to the next scene?

And here, Let it go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

Where does the music come from? I didn't see any orchestras anywhere. Are they just living in the mountains?

Piece of shit movie. Makes no sense at all.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MusicalWorldHypotheses

It's either all in their heads or the songs are merely a dramatic reconstruction of what really happened.
Musicals do this a lot.

Yes, naturally. I was just trying to echo the level of nit-pickyness displayed in the OP.

 

[faefrost]

That said if they do make a sequel as they have been threatening I've been joking that they should get the rights from Ralph Bakshi and Frank Frazetta's estate to rip off "Fire and Ice" let Elsa go full villain and fill the role of "Nekron" maybe even taking the name. If we're going to go with dumb ideas it would be worth it just to see her sister pump iron and abuse 'roids to get a proper Frazetta build for the final battle... oh yeah and then they can call Olaf's "story arc" foreshadowing when he's the one to open the volcano at the end.

Someone is supposedly making alive action Fire and Ice remake. I'm not sure how I feel about that?

 

[AetherWolf]

5. It's a film for small children, aimed at little girls. Remember the target audience of a film before you write a book about how you didn't like it next time.

Sorry, but it just really irks me when people use this argument to deflect criticisms towards a film. Remember that Foodfight! was also a film created made for and primarily marketed towards children. So was The Last Airbender and Doogal. I guess we should just be quiet and put up with all of their gigantic flaws because hey, it's for kids, right?

Why is it always Disney movies that get defended this way? Any lengthy critique on their trends, their content, or just one of their films will more often than not get responses that are variations of "It's for kids!" or "Hurr durr, if you don't like it don't watch it!"

 

[klaynexas3]

Now realize that the film was one of the highest grossing of all time, and that people thoroughly enjoyed it, while Ghibli films routinely bomb in the American box office. Which means that we're going to see a whole lot more of Frozen and its ilk.

Why is it that Ghibli is put on this pedestal? It's hardly any better than most of what Disney puts out, and some of their best stuff I'd say is no better than Frozen. Now, I haven't seen all of their movies, so I can't say for all of them, but for the ones I have seen, the characters lack any serious depth. For instance, in Princess Mononoke, the main character is a Mary Sue, and the villain starts out "oh kill all the animal gods, fuck them" until at the end where she just magically changes to "oh, I'll be good now" and everyone is perfectly fine with it. Spirited Away lacked any sort of main direction, mostly just jumping around from scene to scene with the only purpose of trying to show something that might look interesting, but from any stand point beyond looks, is anything but, I'd mostly just compare it to Labyrinth, but even Labyrinth had Bowie to spice that up a bit, and interesting puppets and sets are far more impressive than interesting drawing skills. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind is not much better(I know it's not officially Ghibli, but it's Miyazaki), in that I'd say it is an awful lot like Mononoke with bland bland bland characters. Nausicaa's one moment of depth, in that while she is a professed pacifist, shows absolute rage when seeing her father dead and kills two men, is swept away in that they never ever refer to this moment again in the film, neither in characters speaking about it, or Nausicaa even showing this clear inner anger that she has.

The only Ghibli film I could say that I saw little to no major flaws in was Grave of the Fireflies. The characters were that, actual characters. They felt real and alive, which is more than what I can say about just about anyone else in the other Ghibli movies, and the only other one I've seen that I didn't mention was The Cat Returns, and that's just because I don't remember hardly anything about that one.

I can understand that people might not like Frozen, but Ghibli has its fair share of problems in even the films most people claim to be their better works.

 

[small]

i guess congratulations are in order for not being a 7 year old girl?

love it or hate it struck a cord with kids and in the end they are the demographic its aimed at, those are the true critics and they absolutely loved it. it frankly doesnt matter to little kids if something has plot holes or there is an issue with songs if they dont like it they will refuse to watch it and its perfect for them