Lunncal said:
Warachia said:
Lunncal said:
Weird, I read the article that said the developers didn't intend for people to take the scene the way they did, and as such are changing it so as to better bring out their original intentions. Nobody forced them to make this choice, and they didn't have to censor anything (and according to the article it's still going to be in the full game), and if you seriously think they did, then explain how, because telling a developer how you feel isn't forcing them to change something.
The developers created the scene and added it to their game (and demo). Lots of people immediately decided the scene was offensive, taking it completely the wrong way (in a way the developers didn't intend), and complained about it. The developers then had to remove it, in order to stop people from taking offense. As I explained in the post above, I have nothing against the artists making that choice, but I don't think it was a choice they should have had to make in the first place.
They never had to make that choice at all, they could have ignored the complaints, but because they care about what their game says and they want to bring across the right tone/message they are interested in how people interpret it, and yeah, I know you say the same in the next paragraph that I quote, but you really should stop using sentences like "the developers then had to remove it", instead use something like "the developers then
chose to remove it", at least that way you'll still bring across the point that they changed it because of fan feedback.
Let's look at a game I really hate that's been out for a long time called Metroid Other M, just looking at how the game is presented makes it look like a very sexist game because every single time the main character isn't wearing armour the camera always frames her T&A just right so that they can show them off, sometimes both in a single shot, and sometimes they're highlighted with overhead lights, whether or not they intended the game to be sexist isn't an issue, it certainly comes off as sexist, and if it wasn't there original intention then it would have been wise to change how it was presented.
How this relates to Hotline Miami is the main character is presented as going to rape a woman, the director comes on screen and gives directions for how the woman can act to be more helpless, this can give some people the impression that the game condones rape, and since that was absolutely not their original intention, they're wise to remove it until we have the proper context for it.
In retrospect I probably shouldn't have used the word "forced" like that. They could have just left it there and endured the complaints and offense caused, I suppose. That doesn't change my opinion that the complaints and offense were completely unwarranted and kind of disturbing though.
The issue I have is that people were so unnecessarily affected by it in the first place. This is a game about a psychotic murderer doing horrible things (assuming it's anything like its predecessor), if you are the type to be offended then this is not the game for you. A society that claims brutal violence and murder is fine to depict in media but rape is too far is fundamentally wrong as far as I'm concerned.
Their issue is if the rape is presented as something the main character does and gets away with without any consequences, if a character raped another, and this was a major plot point (as in people kept coming after you or it had serious consequences) then it would be different, but the demo doesn't show any of that.
Let's look at the first game, you play a psychotic masked murderer, but there's consequences for all of the people you kill, the mafia comes after you, and even buys out the police to come after you, eventually your girlfriend is shot, and so are you, if you completed all of the missions with no negative consequences then people could certainly be upset at it, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them.
Also, people getting upset at rape, but not at murder, isn't a double standard, if you want to know why people feel the way they do, just look up the Jimquisition episode where he talks about both.
I've watched it, and it's as inane as all the other similar arguments I've heard on it. I watch and like the Jimquisition show, but that's one viewpoint of his I entirely disagree with. It's essentially a list of reasons why rape is horrible, but
of course rape is horrible, it's even horrible in a few ways murder isn't. I could just as easily come up with my own list of (completely meaningless) reasons why murder is worse than rape, though, it doesn't really change anything.
Then you should take it as a chance to see why other people see it as worse than murder, you don't have to agree with him, you just need to understand the opposing viewpoint. Incidentally, I'm not trying to convince you to join me in this argument, just trying to get you to see where some people are coming from.
