Hotline Miami 2 Devs Remove "Rape Scene" From Demo

[Olikar]

Males can 'handle' the effects of rape primarily because it will never be a major danger for them. The average adult male faces a very, very small small chance of actually being raped during their lifetime. Contrast this with women, who face a much, much greater chance of becoming a victim of rape - usually from somebody who is close to them, and whom they are meant to trust.

Given the stigma surrounding not only rape in general but particularly rape where the victim is male you cannot accurately say that women are more likely to be raped then men are.

The fact that rape is not a day-to-day concern for you is the basis of your privilege. You are privileged in that you don't have to deal with or think about something that another part of the populace must take into account in their daily lives (in this case, that part of the populace being women).

Complete and utter drivel, most women in the western world don't live with a day to day fear of being raped, (and if they do they are extremely paranoid) like you where saying with murder most think of it as something that'll never happen to them.

I am not going to bother addressing your points on privilege because the idea men have some sort of special privilege in western society is a myth only purported to degrade the viewpoints of men when discussing certain ideas E.g 'you don't understand because you're privileged! And even if a person was privileged bringing it up simply to dismiss their viewpoint when discussing or debating something is as massive betrayal of intellectual integrity.

 

[Olikar]

All the statistics we have indicate such is true. Until we have statistics indicating otherwise, we'll have to conclude that such is true.

Then you wont mind me ignoring your claim that one in four women suffer rape or other forms of sexual abuse since most of those statistics are made mainly up of an estimated number of unreported or unproven cases of rape (all we have to indicate for what is definitely true are proven rapes). Even then though your claim of one four is still a gross exaggeration regardless of whether or not you're taking unreported or unproven rapes into account.

And that doesn't even take into account sexual harassment (which is rampant) or domestic abuse and violence.

Which is irrelevant because you said rape was something that women face and fear on a daily basis, not sexual harassment nor domestic abuse.

The point of addressing privilege is to make people aware that other segments of the population have a vastly different perspective on things, because they have to deal with things that the privileged group does not.

No it goes without saying different social groups are going to have different viewpoints, the concept of privilege is entirely different. It is an analysis of these viewpoints in which it characterizes one viewpoint as privileged because it disagrees with a viewpoint which they characterize as oppressed and thus you have to respect the 'oppressed' social groups opinion on certain matters otherwise you are exerting your privilege.


I don't respect the viewpoint of anyone (regardless of their privilege or lack of privilege) who thinks art or comedy should censor itself on certain issues to avoid offending people, the privilege-brigade will attempt to characterize this as a lack of understanding (on account of my 'privilege') of what it's like to be the oppressed (the people being offended) and that my lack of respect is a symptom of privilege but in reality this is nothing more than a diversion from the actual issue at hand.

In fact, if you'd bothered to read my post, you'd note that the whole reason I brought up his privilege was to chastise him for dismissing other people - something that a person does when they are part of a privileged group but refuse to accept that other people are not.

I don't recall him dismissing other people at all based on privilege, but simply on the fact they where talking shite. (although his stupid comment about men being more mature was shite as well.)

 

[Warachia]

So why not just have a warning before the demo starts and leave it in?

Because it gives off the wrong message/impression about what's in the game/what the game is about, if it goes against what they want to bring across, then they would be smart to remove it.

"Warning: contains a brief scene of rape" wouldn't do it?

No, because if there's no consequences are context for it then it gives some people the impression that the game is condoning rape, and since they don't want to give that impression, they are changing it.

What are you trying to say? That some people will think it's an endorsement? Depiction isn't endorsement, and the people that think it is will probably be think they endorse assassins because of all the senseless murder, and they certainly won't remove that.

I never said that, please look up the definition of the word "condoning" if you aren't sure of what I'm saying next time: "Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue."

 

[ACman]

Internet Hate Brigade: "WTFOMG TEH CENSORSHIPZ! STFU RAPE SURVIVORS, STOP DISCUSSING WHAT THINGS ARE LIKE FOR YOU"

Yeah Dickwolves suck. Fuck you Penny Arcade for creating such a fuckwit brand of fan.

 

[fiskefyren]

Why is rape worse then murder in this world?
Killing a hundred people? That's fine... rape someone? OMG YOU'RE A MONSTER!!!
Yes... Humans are retarded.

 

[Erttheking]

Wait! Come on guys this actually makes sense when you think about it. It just didn't make sense in context and did kinda come across for shock value. I don't really think it that way but I can see how people can see it and apparently the developers agree with them. They're not taking the rape scene out of the game where they insist it is important to the story between the characters, but just the demo where it just doesn't make much sense. It's not censorship, it's the developers listening to criticism and changing their work of their own free will in an attempt to make it better. Please just don't flip out over this, it doesn't warrant- *Looks at thread* GOD DAMN IT!

 

[Verrik]

Ha, you know any post like this is automatically going to end in a shit storm. I personally think that a demo should just give a glimpse of the best the game has to offer (like gameplay, story, graphics, stuff like that), and just leave the gore, sex stuff, etc; in the main game. But that's just me.

However, I find it funny how this thread and the thread about Yahtzee taking out that one line about transsexuals are rather similar.

You know, in the sense that half the forum is against Yahtzee changing that line to spare the feelings of the group he was talking about, and the other half absolutely happy that he did. I wonder how many of those people are taking the same stance here that they did in Yahtzee's thread.

 

[Something Amyss]

Not as bad as the feminists who complain endlessly whenever rape is mentioned within a joke or within a game.

Yeah, showing empathy towards victims is definitely a worse offense than showing antipathy towards them because you didn't get your way.