Your basic problem is not that gaming is going to die. Your problem is that you worry too much about things that are out of your control like people who seem to be happy buying need for speed every year or people mentioning SotC on an obscure forum and not mentioning Psychonauts in the same breath. You then don't do things that are controllable like finding things that are worth supporting and paying full price for them.Tryzon said:I never get why people keep using Shadow of the Colossus as an example of a game that did not sell what it deserved. Okay it didn't, but it still did pretty well, especially considering the radical setup. Now Psychonauts, despite not being the epitome of everything platformer-shaped like folk say, is still a mighty fine title and should have sold a hundred times what it did.
I wonder who it was that bought Haze even though it was released a month after the really quite awful demo. I never pre-order anything and very rarely pay full price, but only ginormogantic RPGs with countless hours of lifespan like Fallout are worth £40 of one's increasingly precious paycheck. The idea of people repeating giving that much for the year's edition of FIFA is pad-snapping insanity.
I'm really angry now. I think I need to play some Sly 2. Good old Sly 2...
While I agree that the wii is getting a lot of shovelware piled against its doorstep, the ones that truly stand out are just incredibly awesome to play. No More Heroes, Mad World, and even Super Mario Galaxy to some extent are all incredibly fun, intelligent, and different games than one would expect. And it's not really that bad of a crap-to-gold ratio, it's simply that there's so much experimentation going on with the system that few things can BE good, though some are actually trying in the best ways possible.Onyx Oblivion said:After reading that, I must say that you don't seem to mention the Wii as a factor in the death of gaming. And it is killing it, with its constant stream of shovelware.
yay, a wii defender!ninjablu said:While I agree that the wii is getting a lot of shovelware piled against its doorstep, the ones that truly stand out are just incredibly awesome to play. No More Heroes, Mad World, and even Super Mario Galaxy to some extent are all incredibly fun, intelligent, and different games than one would expect. And it's not really that bad of a crap-to-gold ratio, it's simply that there's so much experimentation going on with the system that few things can BE good, though some are actually trying in the best ways possible.Onyx Oblivion said:After reading that, I must say that you don't seem to mention the Wii as a factor in the death of gaming. And it is killing it, with its constant stream of shovelware.
I would argue that the Wii is the biggest experiment of the generation, a step in the right direction.
The Wii is gimmicky, yes, and there some times when nothing can overcome this fault (gingerbread ninja? just... why?) and yet it still has more ways to be good, more options to try something new than either Sony or Microsoft have.
I think your getting it wrong here.harhol said:Originality isn't dying, it's just that the mainstream is getting worse.
5-10 years ago you could pick up a game with a few good ratings and be satisfied. Nowadays it's like a minefield. There are so many games with "favourable reviews" which are absolute garbage, and I mean garbage. Oblivion, 94% average rating? 60% would be fair. I can see how someone might like (or even love) the game but there's also a hell of a lot wrong with it. That much is undeniable.
And then there's the increased influence of pre-release hype & publisher money. GTAIV...98% average rating...are you fucking kidding me? 86 people reviewed the game and not one thought it deserved less than 8/10? Just not possible I'm afraid.
Pretty significant developments, if you ask me.Tryzon said:the only significant positive aspects that our current consoles have brought the community is far superior online multiplayer and download services, especially considering how the PS2 was never a very capable internet box.
There is another side you guys don't seem to care about when it comes to the Wii and the casual crowd. Wii games and thier shovelware are cheap and easy to make. So they make money off of them. Sure it may not be GOW or Halo money but money is money. And since I highly doubt they are taking that money and hiding it in thier mattresses they are probably using those profits to fund thier bigger projects.Onyx Oblivion said:Bring it on, people! I'm a Dark Elf, so I've got 75% Fire Resistance! And I've also got a 25% Resist Fire ring to make me Fireproof. And the Ancestor Guardian will take a few hits for me. I'm not saying the Wii doesn't have good games, just that all this casual crap is not good for the gamers.pantsoffdanceoff said:I'm glad someone said it before I did, now I don't have to be the one to get flamed.Onyx Oblivion said:After reading that, I must say that you don't seem to mention the Wii as a factor in the death of gaming. And it is killing it, with its constant stream of shovelware.
Combat was one of the greatest games EVER.the antithesis said:There are probably lots of reasons why the crash happened. Consumer leeriness may be one of them. But I'm not so sure if it's as big a factor as most think. I mean, look at the Atari's launch titles:
* Air-Sea Battle
* Basic Math
* Blackjack
* Combat
* Indy 500
* Star Ship
* Street Racer
* Surround
* Video Olympics