How is 9/11 viewed internationally?
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It has changed EVERYTHING. It has caused racial profiling, fear and 2 fucking wars.Rayken15 said:
It has also changed how we look at war. No matter how big your army is or how advanced your weapons are, a few men with only small knifes can still kill thousands.
I'm an Australian, and none of my friends or family were in New York or the Pentagon on the day of the attack. The Bali nightclub bombings have greater resonance for me - and even with those, I don't have a sense of national calamity. More people die from starvation, preventable disease and civil warfare on any given day than perished in the attacks on 11 September 2001 (or 12 October 2002). At the risk of appearing callous, what made that event exceptional was that it happened on US soil and was a strike at both its people and its symbols. What made it more tragic was the hysteria it set off, here and elsewhere (and the anti-Muslim sentiment it stirred up still hasn't ended here in Australia).Singularly Datarific said:
Personally, I remember the destruction of the World Trade Centre towers and the attack on the Pentagon as being the catalyst for some of the worst foreign policy decisions in decades. This is a shame, because a lot of good people died because of nineteen men armed with box cutters - both on the day and in the years that followed. I accord the event and the date no special power or significance beyond that. I refuse to allow the actions of a handful of maniacs to undermine the better values of Western society.
I've marked the day as a sad anniversary, a day when violent men murdered a lot of innocent people. I feel sorry for the people missing a friend, a partner, a child, a parent. I feel sorry for the people who survived and are suffering from diseases stemming from the destruction of the WTC towers. I feel angry because this event was invoked to legitimate invasions, torture and state-sanctioned murder in the name of "justice". And then, like the mayor of London in 2005, I've gone back to living my life the same way I did beforehand, because I refuse to live in fear because this happened.
And let's not forget how America treats this like "the biggest tragedy of all time" when at the end of WW2 over 60 million people died and i find it rather disgusting if they or anyone else keeps treating the next death like it's some sort of fad.Cheshire the Cat said:
OT: Du to my own opinion on the matter i do care for those that lost family members however i do not care for those that hate and want to destroy another country over what went down because it makes you no better than the ones that "did it".
Also i won't be replying to quotes for this topic in general because i know exactly what to expect as such and i know it will lead to someone's disagreement with my quote but let me tell you this: "over 60 million people died at the end of WW2" you cannot deny that more life was lost than that of what happened 10 years ago and you are lying to yourself if you think that's not much of a bigger deal than 9/11.
Well, I don't care, to be honest, this is the first time since it happend that I acually noticed the date, and thats properly only because it's 10 years ago? I remember what I was doing when I got the news though, I was paying Black And White when my brother got home and asked If I heard the news, I said no, we watched TV, and after watching the same clip 4 times of the planes hitting, I went down and play some more.
It dosen't affect me, and in my honest opinon I feel disgusted with the way america treats the day.
It dosen't affect me, and in my honest opinon I feel disgusted with the way america treats the day.
It's sad but I can't feel any sympathy for what Americans let their government do next. You know starting a war that would cost the lives of 9 11 times 68.5.
There was a graph that I found but I just don't know where it is now.
There was a graph that I found but I just don't know where it is now.
People in the UK seem to see it as a terrible tragedy, and it was, but I personally don't think its such an awful thing that it needs this much commemoration. I mean Americans have done far worse things in other countries before and since (notably their bombing of Laos and the Japanese, which have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians) that they seem to gloss over in order to portray what happened to them as being particularly awful. Equally, other countries have had just as bad or worse things happen to them that don't get nearly as much fuss made over it, such as the UK being attacked by the IRA (which actually had some support in the USA, somewhat ironically). Yes, it was a national tragedy for the USA, but the main reason it sticks in the mind for me is the iconography of those aeroplanes hitting those towers, which was pretty amazing in a terrible sort of way. Its really most notable for being the most successful act of terrorism ever and for ushering a new age of paranoia.
I would just like to say that I feel every possible sympathy for the victims and their families, no one should die like that and their deaths were a terrible thing.
I would just like to say that I feel every possible sympathy for the victims and their families, no one should die like that and their deaths were a terrible thing.
Pretty much this, although i'll just add that i remember it took 3 days for the news to shut the fuck up and put something else on. As i recall the first none news program on at the time was Seinfeild. Also i was 8 at the time and didnt care, i wanted my cartoons dam it.Blue Hero said:
I'm an American. I was in 3rd grade when it happened. Yes, what happened on 9/11 was tragic. Yes, many innocent lives were lost. It happened. We move on.
Also, I think it's important to remember 9/11, but not relive it. We do far too much reliving in this county.
Also, I think it's important to remember 9/11, but not relive it. We do far too much reliving in this county.
Let me preface this by saying that while I am patriotic, I like to consider myself as very well cultured (much more so than the average American). I don't even plan on living in the U.S. too much longer. With that said...Cheshire the Cat said:
Do I think 9/11 needs to have some sort of ceremony EVERY year? No. But to say that 9/11 had no effect on people who didn't lose a loved one that day is so completely ignorant and misinformed, I can't even think of a witty comparison. 9/11 was that catalyst that caused my brother and I to join the military. 9/11 was the catalyst that started one war and indirectly started a second. 9/11 created a whole new department in the American government and basically reshaped our transportation system here in the U.S. (whether it's better or worse is questionable). 9/11 wasn't an attack on just 3 buldings (4 if you count 93 that crashed in PA), it was an attack on AMERICA. How is claiming that they attacked us disgusting? No matter which way you slice it, that's what happened. I completely understand that other nations might not care too much about that day specifically or the fact that 3k+ people died, but your statements are ignorant, childish, misinformed, and just plain stupid. I sincerely hope you are either a 15 year old who was too young to understand 9/11 when it happened or a troll.
And yes, I created an account just to respond to you, so congrats on that.
A tragic event that was blown out of proportion and you people should get over it already. Don't get me wrong, people died, it sucked. The ones who did it were arseholes. But it's hardly a world-shattering tragedy that USA seems to make it out to be. Considering the fuss you are still raising over it, you'd think they wiped out 10 million people with bioweapons or something.
Granted, a lot of this was simply scare tactics by your government to get you people to support their wars abroad, but those wars ended up hurting you a lot more than 9/11. Hundreds of times more. And I'm pretty sure that my use of the word "hundreds" isn't a hyperbole, considering the loss of life, money and resources due to your subsequent two wars.
I grew up during a war. I missed the worst of it, but I still had to take cover in bomb shelters every so often and I know people who had to locate their family members in mass graves after genocidal purges. Telling me that someone knocked down an american skyscraper is sad, but hardly something I'll keep in my mind, sorry.
P.S. I'm not trolling. I apologize if any of what I wrote offended someone.
Granted, a lot of this was simply scare tactics by your government to get you people to support their wars abroad, but those wars ended up hurting you a lot more than 9/11. Hundreds of times more. And I'm pretty sure that my use of the word "hundreds" isn't a hyperbole, considering the loss of life, money and resources due to your subsequent two wars.
I grew up during a war. I missed the worst of it, but I still had to take cover in bomb shelters every so often and I know people who had to locate their family members in mass graves after genocidal purges. Telling me that someone knocked down an american skyscraper is sad, but hardly something I'll keep in my mind, sorry.
P.S. I'm not trolling. I apologize if any of what I wrote offended someone.
Remember when the UK ran that survey about what people thought were the most important events of the 20th century, and Princess Diana's death ranked higher than either World War?Shadow-Phoenix said:
That sort of thinking is hardly unusual, even if it is fucking embarassing.
Hmm...This again?
I can't speak for all swedes but I don't give a rats ass about it. Yes it was a tragedy and all but get over it already America! I really the need to advertise it as the "worst thing ever" and I feel that USA is the only country that uses this as some kind of sympathy card and force it on others.
"9/11! Remember it! ETC". You don't see Japan doing this with the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.
I can't speak for all swedes but I don't give a rats ass about it. Yes it was a tragedy and all but get over it already America! I really the need to advertise it as the "worst thing ever" and I feel that USA is the only country that uses this as some kind of sympathy card and force it on others.
"9/11! Remember it! ETC". You don't see Japan doing this with the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.
Well I lived in Washington DC at the time and it was an extremely scary day. My dad worked for United Airlines so I only expected the worst and I was only seven at the time. To me it's one of the worst days of my life but I try not to make a big out of 9/11 because I'm sick of all the media and pictures posted everywhere. Yahoo, MSN, Google, Comcast, etc. it's just posted everywhere. A huge deal is made every year about it and it's just so watered down.
Basically, I think everyone other than Americans, and the Media looking to drum up some ratings, stopped caring quite some time ago. It was a horrible event, but this whole "We Will Never Forget, We Will Never Forgive" crap keeps the hate and fear alive. Remember the people, not the way they dyed.
*shrugs*
A few thousand people died in September 11, at the hands of some clearly dangerous individuals. America as since then used this event as the basis for the deaths of over 100,000 people. Whatever tragedy was felt on September 11 is long since gone.
*shrugs*
A few thousand people died in September 11, at the hands of some clearly dangerous individuals. America as since then used this event as the basis for the deaths of over 100,000 people. Whatever tragedy was felt on September 11 is long since gone.
My mother is American, so despite the fact I've lived in Australia my entire life, 9/11 is a bit more important to me than others.
Still, while I remember it as a horrible event in history, I don't think it is particularly unique nor should it be brought up as much as it is. It was a tragic event, but it happened ten years ago and the man responsible for it has since been killed. Not much more to say.
Still, while I remember it as a horrible event in history, I don't think it is particularly unique nor should it be brought up as much as it is. It was a tragic event, but it happened ten years ago and the man responsible for it has since been killed. Not much more to say.
We have our own catastrophes to remember.Singularly Datarific said:
You have your two thousand and a half dead from a population of 300 million, we had at the time the same ratio of casualties to local populace, but we had more than one bombing.
Oh I hate to remember the second Intifada.
You don't have a world wide memorial day for the dead during that period.
Yes, it was a disaster. Many, many, many lost their lives. But if you ask most of the people that live in the mid-west, they don't have any relatives there. You have a huge country with a huge amount of population. Some people were not affected by the event.
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My uncle used to work in NYC, so I was worried because my mother was worried, but other than that I didn't care much. The people living on the other side of the world - they have nothing to do with me.
I remember the date. Nothing more, nothing less.
Internationally: A tragic and cruel loss of life that became one of those 'Where were you' days for everyone.
Personally: Well, actually I just gave my opinion but I wish there weren't TV programmes about the 10th anniversary of 11th September because for me it somehow cheapens the event. Some shows focus on the families of the victims moving on and I think its good they come to terms with their loss I don't think it needs to be on our screens. Just my opinion but the best form of respect in this case is to spare victims families from having cameras watching them. I also think it was used to justify deaths and hunting for terrorists who may not have been terrorists. 11th September was a date many people were killed, it then caused many other people to be killed not all deserved it.
Personally: Well, actually I just gave my opinion but I wish there weren't TV programmes about the 10th anniversary of 11th September because for me it somehow cheapens the event. Some shows focus on the families of the victims moving on and I think its good they come to terms with their loss I don't think it needs to be on our screens. Just my opinion but the best form of respect in this case is to spare victims families from having cameras watching them. I also think it was used to justify deaths and hunting for terrorists who may not have been terrorists. 11th September was a date many people were killed, it then caused many other people to be killed not all deserved it.