How Star Wars: The Old Republic Handles Sex

Milkman Dan

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You are right. Wookie sex will happen. It wasn't all that long ago that I laughed at some screencaps from Warhammer 40K. I played WoW only two months and I still managed to stumble on a dwarf and an elf "hot chatting" each other in an inn's upper floor. Whoever thinks there's not all sorts of strange goings-on behind the scenes in MMORPGs (in private chat or otherwise), well, I kind of envy you.
 

Ashbax

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needausername said:
Its not like all MMOs have sex in them anyway...
If youve played MMOs as long as I have, youd know that even if it isnt a gameplay mechanic, people will find some strange way..
 

SykoSilver

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psijac said:
They NEVER said gays don't exist in the Star Wars Universe. They said the labels for gay people don't exist.

During a press conference for Star Trek: TNG Someone once asked "Surely by the 24th Century they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness" Gene Roddenberry replied, "No, by the 24th Century no one will care"

although on the other hand if space is our Manifest destiny Gays have no place there. We need settlers and squatters to build lands, have kids and generally settle a place down. Even if a gay couple wanted to have kids I don't they will have room for an invitro clinic when settling a wild planet
Because gays cannot contribute anything to society if they can't have kids. =_= Gee thanks.

I don't care that BioWare isn't including orientation labels in their games. I get frustrated at labels too. What concerns me is that while this is OK, if they also intentionally do not include any male-male romances, then they have basically affirmed that such relationships are either unimportant, inferior, or even worse: offensive (and I believe they only included a lesbian relationship because their target audience find that titillating).

For Mass Effect BioWare said they didn't include gay relations because they had the least appeal and because they did not feel they could portray them realistically. I think that if BioWare is going to make any claims to approaching sex artistically and being a great storyteller, then they need quit making excuses and step up to the challenge.

It is EXTREMELY easy to plop in a single line of dialog hinting at male-male relations--or attraction, at least! There is no excuse.

I do not want to dictate how BioWare can be creative but if they are going to decide gay content on the basis of market appeal and essentially perpetuate the idea that people like me are second-class, then I'm going to question their ethics.

I am sick of the way this industry makes claims to being centered around an artistic medium but all it's concerned with is marketing and business.
 

WorldCritic

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Hey, maybe we'll get another idiot from Fox News to do a completely inaccurate story about it.
 

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Cuniculus said:
Just because they had sex in one game, doesn't mean they are obligated to have it in every game to follow. They did fine without sex up until Mass Effect came out, so I see no reason why they can't just decide not to have it at all in the next upcoming game. The fact that they are staying true to the Star Wars universe by not including any sex is just a good reason behind what they would have most likely chosen to do anyway.
Exactly. There wasn't sex in Knights of the Old Republic at any point - was the game worse off for it? No, of course not

It seems as though people are now equating how a game treats sex as correlating to how "mature" the game will be overall.
 

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Damn it! I wanted to have my Sith Bounty Hunter have a threesome with two twi'lek dancing girls! DAMN YOU, BIOWARE! FRAK YOU ALL TO HELL!


(Seriously, though, how much innuendo d'you think we can expect?....)
mmmmm twi'lek dancers
 

The Shade

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Keane Ng said:
So BioWare's looking at classic Humphrey Bogart-Lauren Bacall movies, in which witty quips with sexual undertones do more rubbing up against each other than physical bodies...

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Consider that Bogie-Bacall movies are pretty sultry (at least to me) in that what they don't say is always more scintillating than what they do.
Geez, Keane. You been gettin' into the Bogie n' Bacall Box Set or something? You got a serious theme goin' on here.
 

Lonko

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psijac said:
They NEVER said gays don't exist in the Star Wars Universe. They said the labels for gay people don't exist.

During a press conference for Star Trek: TNG Someone once asked "Surely by the 24th Century they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness" Gene Roddenberry replied, "No, by the 24th Century no one will care"

although on the other hand if space is our Manifest destiny Gays have no place there. We need settlers and squatters to build lands, have kids and generally settle a place down. Even if a gay couple wanted to have kids I don't they will have room for an invitro clinic when settling a wild planet
So reproduction will be mandatory in these space colonies?
 

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soaringbiscuit said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Keane Ng said:
No doubt in my mind, somewhere in The Old Republic, there'll be wookie sex happening. It won't be actual, literal wookie sex programmed by BioWare, but it'll be real enough for the people doing it. There is no escaping this.
C'mon Keane, I expected at least some mention of wookie nookie ;)
Or some wookie cookies;)
Or some wookie hookies ;)
 

soaringbiscuit

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Mercanary57 said:
soaringbiscuit said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Keane Ng said:
No doubt in my mind, somewhere in The Old Republic, there'll be wookie sex happening. It won't be actual, literal wookie sex programmed by BioWare, but it'll be real enough for the people doing it. There is no escaping this.
C'mon Keane, I expected at least some mention of wookie nookie ;)
Or some wookie cookies;)
Or some wookie hookies ;)
Take a lookie at my wookie ;)
 

SharPhoe

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needausername said:
Its not like all MMOs have sex in them anyway...
That's what the ERPs are for, anyway. *gags*

I for one, have no problem with this. Partly because, well, if there happened to be an inter-species romance... how would that work?
 

MercenaryCanary

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soaringbiscuit said:
Mercanary57 said:
soaringbiscuit said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Keane Ng said:
No doubt in my mind, somewhere in The Old Republic, there'll be wookie sex happening. It won't be actual, literal wookie sex programmed by BioWare, but it'll be real enough for the people doing it. There is no escaping this.
C'mon Keane, I expected at least some mention of wookie nookie ;)
Or some wookie cookies;)
Or some wookie hookies ;)
Take a lookie at my wookie ;)
Keep going! We just might achieve meme!
 

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HobbesMkii said:
"We think we've come up with a pleasant way to refer to sex in a way as to leave no doubt about the meaning, but without actually saying it: from now on, characters in-game will simply refer to having sex as 'making whoopie.' It should give core gamers and Sinatra fans alike a common ground in which to celebrate the merits of Star Wars: The Old Republic."
Or make them think of farting contests. Or cooking up some sort of weird Native African dish.
 

psijac

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SykoSilver said:
Because gays cannot contribute anything to society if they can't have kids. =_= Gee thanks.
Some would say properly raising a child is the greatest thing you can contribute to society. Also it would depend on the size of a colony a million strong can have all the non-breeders it wants. However a colony that big would not grow that big over night. I doubt settler ships would carry a million people. They would need room for people to eat/sleep/shower. Space for lots of food, clean water, fuel. It probably wouldn't have very fast engines either. So they would have to carry lots of supplies to make it to their destination. Its not long before this becomes a logistical nightmare. Dropping a few hundred people onto a habitable planet makes more sense. People would be excepted to have 3 or more children and grow the community. Your not going to carry a grove of avocados to Dantooine you are going to carry the seeds and make your own grove. Same applies to humans.
This assumes we want to Conquer the Galaxy a la Manifest Destiny. If you just want to run around exploring the place and not disturbing anything, you can be like Star Trek and stuff those spaceships with all the gays you want, you Prime Directive following robot.


SykoSilver said:
I don't care that BioWare isn't including orientation labels in their games. I get frustrated at labels too. What concerns me is that while this is OK, if they also intentionally do not include any male-male romances, then they have basically affirmed that such relationships are either unimportant, inferior, or even worse: offensive (and I believe they only included a lesbian relationship because their target audience find that titillating).

For Mass Effect BioWare said they didn't include gay relations because they had the least appeal and because they did not feel they could portray them realistically. I think that if BioWare is going to make any claims to approaching sex artistically and being a great storyteller, then they need quit making excuses and step up to the challenge.

It is EXTREMELY easy to plop in a single line of dialog hinting at male-male relations--or attraction, at least! There is no excuse.

I do not want to dictate how BioWare can be creative but if they are going to decide gay content on the basis of market appeal and essentially perpetuate the idea that people like me are second-class, then I'm going to question their ethics.

I am sick of the way this industry makes claims to being centered around an artistic medium but all it's concerned with is marketing and business.
Having played WoW and Guildwars for years I don't see any room for sexual relationships for any gender preferance. I have meaningful connections to the characters I leveled. and I have somewhat meaningful relationships with my Guildmates. but NPCs are just cannon folder in these games meant to die on my sword or shower me with praise and gold. They have all the depth of Paris Hilton. I cannot foresee "quest objectives: Sex with Circumcised 5/10, Sex with Uncircumcised 1/3" If you want to experience a gay relation within an MMO you are going to have to make your own


WOOKIE COOKIES!
 

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I don't see a problem with this. Star Wars Galaxies pre-nge was great, and all it had were "unities." Funny Story- Unities in Star Wars Galaxies could be between any two players, even two men or two women.
 

ThaBenMan

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Wookiee sex? Ugh.

The Maker forbid that there's ever any... Hutt sex... *shudders*

EDIT: (Actually, I think they reproduce asexually. /major Star Wars nerd)