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Amethyst Wind

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Humans are expansionist vampires. We move into an area, make more of ourselves, and destroy the land in the process by making shelters with harmful materials (concrete, metal, etc). Then, when we can't live there anymore, we do it again somewhere else.

Humanity has always used up more land than it should, damaging it in the process. Generally in Sci-Fi our conflicts with other species come about because of our expansionist tendencies which infringe upon their territory. Humanity then takes offense at being denied a new toy to break, and shit goes down.

Humanity isn't good to it's land, something a lot of Sci-Fi writers pick up on, and when we go in search of other land it's usually somebody else's. Humanity will blame that other person for not sharing when it's really their own fault for over-populating with no thought to sustainability.
 

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Amethyst Wind said:
Humans are expansionist vampires. We move into an area, make more of ourselves, and destroy the land in the process by making shelters with harmful materials (concrete, metal, etc). Then, when we can't live there anymore, we do it again somewhere else.
What a coincidence, I watched The Matrix too.
 

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MGlBlaze said:
Your religion is your choice and is not something anyone should make fun of, and your last name is not your choice and anyone who pokes fun at your last name a lot is being an immature prick.
So, let me get this straight.

You are not allowed to make fun of something someone chooses.
You are not allowed to make fun of something someone cannot choose.

WHAT IS LEFT FOR US DISCORDIANS AND COURT JESTERS!?!

JON STEWART NEEDS WORK.
 

orangebandguy

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I happen to think we're fine, it's just a bunch of moody teenagers trying to look cool and edgy because Yahtzee and Dexter don't like humanity either. Get over yourselves.

A baby dies and EVERYONE apart from them is to blame? I know lots of cool and brilliant people, they aren't genocidal maniacs.

The actions of the few affect the many.
 

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Amnestic said:
Amethyst Wind said:
Humans are expansionist vampires. We move into an area, make more of ourselves, and destroy the land in the process by making shelters with harmful materials (concrete, metal, etc). Then, when we can't live there anymore, we do it again somewhere else.
What a coincidence, I watched The Matrix too.
Now this annoys me. I've had far too many people think The Matrix is the bible of Sci-Fi. I had a stoner on my Philosophy degree for three years who thought he could do Philosophy because he watched The Matrix. The Matrix is only ten years old, this theme has been around for far longer. Get thy head out of thy own arse and go read some proper Sci-Fi.
 

Hristo Petrov

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The problem with us is that we hate those who are different than us but because we don't have
some fantasy or alien race to hate we hate other humans. I bet that if we find some other intelligent culture mankind will unite against them because hatred can unite people too .
 

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That's what I've been saying for years, but then, I'm a rather cynical person. The more I learned about humans, the more I leaned to dislike them (but I have't lost ALL of my faith yet, thankfully).

I'm planning to become a writer, so if I ever do a fantasy novel, I'll try to make the other races, along with humans, be as good or dickish as the rest... or something.
 

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My theory is this: The people who write all this stuff are humans. Unlike the other races, elves, dwarves, caterpillars, vulcans, and what have you, humans are real and are capable of being studied. You know what screams in studies? "WE'RE DICKS!" Just look at history. Authors can also study human psychology to see how humans think and what their assumed reactions are.

So, authors want to make the humans in their books are realistic as possible. All the other races can be whatever the hell they want, because they don't exist, and thus can't be studied to a deep degree.
 

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If you think of humanity as just individual people then were all (with some exceptions) trying to do our best for ourselves and be nice to each other, face to face (over the net is a totally different ball game).

If you think of humanity as a whole, were a massive cancer on this planet, we out number everything except insects. We kill animals for fun, we destroy massive rainforest's to make room for more of our kind, we keep wild animals in cages for our own amusement, (if you believe in global warming) were the main cause of that, we think this planet is ours.
 

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Personally, I'd like to see all races/species portrayed as selfish, manipulative, biased, and short-sighted, each in their own unique way and do away with the bizarre notion that any one race/species is more inherently right than another.
Like Warhammer 40k? :) Maybe Eldar are "the good guys". Although they are more neutral then classic good...

Humanity does not hate itself. We just hate individuals and groups of people that make life difficult for the rest of us. We also have many more people we are neutral to and some that we love.

Humanity is always shown as a "young" race in Fantasy/SF setting and other races are humanity's virtues or vices made real. But humans still choose their destiny and can change themselves. So I guess that realizing that you're wrong and fixing the damage to the forest is more virtuous then just being born with absolute sense of justice and not damaging it in the first place.

Also, imagine a Star Trek series that takes place on a Vulcan ship with a full Vulcan crew. Wow. That would be QUITE boring right? :)
 

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Mmm...schadenfreude.

I'm an arrogant, sarcastic, blunt, cynical c*nt.
But I like myself, and have friends, treat my mum, sister and gf wonderfully, so meh. *shrug*
Aside from viewing everyone else as entertainment, people being "dicks" is about as amusing as anything.
 

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QuickDEMOL1SHER said:
manaman said:
Humanity is always likened as a conglomeration of all. Capable of the worst evil and the greatest good. How that means they are always dicks is beyond me, and you also seem to be picking up on a very narrow bit of media, hopefully on accident. Tolkien had the Dwarves unleash the Balrog by digging to deep out of greed.

Orcs, goblins, and the like are the traditional enemies.
True, the Orcs and goblins are the traditional ENEMIES, but humans are often the guys who kind of screw stuff up, without actually being the bad guys. Eceeldor(NO idea how to spell that one) not throwing the ring in for instance.
That was the rings fault wasn't it? Since it's "magical". And in LotR you follow heroic, brave humans fighting the ultimate evil and protecting the weaker. If you want to be a pansy about it, yes, I guess you are right. But then I'd slap you in the face and say: "there is a lot of shit that is the other way around to so don't go around being so serial" I'M SERIAL! How I love south park and how I'd love to strangle Al Gore and that Norwegian Nobel peace price committee for giving any ass hole with a voice that stupid price. It has turned into a political thing. The Nobel peace price lost it's value with Al Gore.
 

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QuickDEMOL1SHER said:
It seems that in this day and age, a large amount of fiction portrays the human race as a group of assholes compared to any other sentient races. Think about it, pretty much all fantasy has elves as the tree loving peaceful people, dwarfs as the honorable guys who know not to mess with stuff they shouldn't and almost every time the humans are either cutting down the tree's, taking land that they shouldn't or unleashing some evil being.

In Sci-Fi you have we are more often then not, the young, backwards aggressive race that screws everything up. Like in the new movie Avatar. Fuck those cat-elf thing, I like humans!

Do we just hate ourselves?
It's funny because the literature of Tolkien which established Dwarves as the honorable stout people with long beards and elves the peace loving perfect beings etc. is one of the pieces of fantasy literature where the humans aren't complete jerks, kind of funny if you think about it.
 

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grimsprice said:
Yup. We suck ass. And generally, all those predicaments are probably good assessments of what we would actually do.
I think it's a side effect of having more power than all other species on the planet. I can't see any other hypothetical alien worlds not having these problems.
 

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QuickDEMOL1SHER said:
It seems that in this day and age, a large amount of fiction portrays the human race as a group of assholes compared to any other sentient races. Think about it, pretty much all fantasy has elves as the tree loving peaceful people, dwarfs as the honorable guys who know not to mess with stuff they shouldn't and almost every time the humans are either cutting down the tree's, taking land that they shouldn't or unleashing some evil being.

In Sci-Fi you have we are more often then not, the young, backwards aggressive race that screws everything up. Like in the new movie Avatar. Fuck those cat-elf thing, I like humans!

Do we just hate ourselves?
I think that in fantasy literature, part of the reason humans are often portrayed as the young, rash, upstart race is that we ourselves, as humans, can connect with them the most, and so when the people we can relate to the most start out small and evil, but then end up doing something heroic and good, it strikes a much higher cord.

A prime example is hobbits. Although they aren't "human" per say, they are very human-like, in the notion that they're extremely down-to-earth, carefree, keep to themselves kind of people. They're like the hillbilly relatives you had as a kid, that would always be fun to go visit. They're kind of the "ideal humans", if you will. They're also very small (in stature and in mindset). So when Frodo and Sam rise to the occasion, have their own epic struggles with the Ring, and end up becoming the epic heroes who save the world, it's a lot more heart-touching and spectacular then say, if one of the high elves were to do it.

Same kind of thing happens with the humans, and in fact Aragorn struggles with it for the entire story. Human's in Tolkien's world are the young race, that (in the rest of the world's timeline) are still getting their footing, and already they are failing miserably. All the other races view them as "weak", and Aragorn's ancestors don't really help clear that stereotype. Even from the beginning, they proved themselves to be greedy, arrogant little bastards. They rebelled against the Valar and then tried to take the Undying Lands away form the elves, in order to gain immortality, which resulted in Numenor behing destroyed. But by the end of LOTR, they've started to redeem themselves, as shown by Borimir dying to save the hobbits, and Faramir letting Frodo go instead of taking the Ring.

So yes, I agree that it is sometimes just a cliche' role that uncreative writers fall back on, but sometimes, especially in older literature, the stereotypical human is full of faults, greed, and small-mindedness so that when they accomplish something amazing, it seems all the more awesome for the reader.

NOTE: I used Tolkien's books simply because it's the basis for most "high fantasy" fiction nowadays, and it's one of my favorite series. The same idea can be seen in a lot of other works.
 

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Sampler said:
We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!
This makes alot of sense despite the fact it came from a parody of something unrelated to this topic... but yes humanity in general are dicks. take 98% of the americans i have met for example