"Hundreds" of Battlefield 3 Cheaters Banned

[Lt. Vinciti]

Because your game is broken at release and you dont have time to fix it...its faster just to ban those people...and call it a day...


Seems off to me...


ALSO IF YOU HADNT TURNED EVERY GOD DAMN FPS GAME INTO A GOD DAMN ROLE PLAYING GAME PEOPLE WOULDNT WANT TO CHEAT OR BOOST

 

[dthree]

It's the developer's fault for letting such an obvious exploit into the game, no one deserves to be banned for it.

I agree, stats reset is the fair punishment. Especially since THIS SAME EXACT BUG WAS IN BAD COMPANY! C'mon DICE, wtf?

I know people who got stats reset for doing it then, and I told them they were lucky that Evil Asshole corp didn't get their entire Live account perma-banned.

 

[KILGAZOR]

Because your game is broken at release and you dont have time to fix it...its faster just to ban those people...and call it a day...


Seems off to me...


ALSO IF YOU HADNT TURNED EVERY GOD DAMN FPS GAME INTO A GOD DAMN ROLE PLAYING GAME PEOPLE WOULDNT WANT TO CHEAT OR BOOST

I love you soooo much. I see all these ignoramuses posting about how boosters are gaining an unfair advantage, when it's just people that rank up in general that are getting unfair and unneeded advantages over noobs. I was okay with it in BF2 and CoD4 where you just unlock variety, but now in BF3 and MW3 the unlocks give player superiority. It's the veteran's experience that should make them supeior to new players, not arbitrary stat boosts (CoD Pro Perks) and extra weapons (BF3 vehicle unlocks).

Also, I like how EA thinks they can get away with not fixing their old games (BF:BC2) before releasing new ones (BF3).Sure, you might get my money now, but someday another developer is going to make a game similar to Battlefield except they'll actually fix things post-launch, and guess who's gonna get my money then?

 

[secretsantaone]

I see people have the complete lack of understanding of how rules/laws/etc work, if it's impossible theres generally no rule against it.....

Just becasue you can do something, doesnt mean you should.

If someone steps out of their supercar to post a letter, leaves the keys in, and the engine running does that make it legal to take the car? Of course not, even in a controlled enviroment theres laways the chance of chinks in the armour, thias doesnt make it right to exploit them.

Exploit banning is fairly standard procedure in online exploiting, though genrally only MP portions (and to all intents and purposes thats not much less than a full game ban in BF3). The full severity of the ban varies, but this is by no means an unusual affair.

Actually, many exploits are incorporated into accepted play, blurring the line between acceptable and unacceptable exploits. In a lot of cases they can add an extra layer of depth.

In Street Fighter for example, 'kara-throws' are a glitch where by performing an attack that moves you forward immediately followed by a throw allows you to extend your throw range massively. This has been accepted by the developers and has actually been designed to be incorporated in games after it's discovery because it adds an extra layers to the depth of the game.

In Call of Duty, 'quick-scoping' is a glitch abusing the autoaim system.

In Battlefield 2, dolphin diving was a glitch that allowed you to fire accurately while being hard to hit.

If a developer doesn't want a glitch in their game, patch it out. Don't leave it up to players to decide whether or not a glitch is acceptable or not.

Valve does it right, it's always hilarious to exploit the latest glitch in TF2 because you know Valve will patch it by tomorrow anyway. Here's a great example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx0UzI4LYyc

 

[Belated]

This isn't right. You can't ban people for playing within the programming of your game. It's not the player's fault you didn't have any oversight regarding the jeep thing. You can't ban someone for doing what the game allows them to do! If you don't want them doing it, fix the damn game. But don't take it out on the players.

 

[Aeonknight]

So the guy that TKs repetitively to get that jet/heli/tank is just grinding out like the rest of us? Its exploiting a feature of the game for your benefit over someone else. How about when a large number of your team ques up for aircraft or spawns sniper and doesn't know know to snipe and take objectives? They have taken themselves out of the game putting the team to a disadvantage. Face it two more d-bags are not going to make the game winning difference. If someone lets things like this affect them in online play then they probably shouldn't be playing online.

Funny, I haven't been TK'ed yet in an attempt to get a vehicle. Probably because alot of the important ones (like aircraft/tanks) give you the option to spawn directly into them. That and there's no friendly fire in Conquest/Rush.

As for your sniper arguement, you can't take someone's playstyle and say it's no different than a faulty game mechanic that is intentionally exploited to disrupt game balance along with the flow of gameplay. If a sniper chooses to sit in 1 spot and shoot at whatever happens to come into his field of view, yes that's a disadvantage for the team because he's being a worthless prick.
It's also a disadvantage for him, he's not getting jack shit in points. It evens out. The entire point of XP (aside from being 1 giant time sink) is to encourage you to play the game well. This glitch rewards you XP for not playing the game at all. That doesn't seem just a little skewed to you?

It's a slap in the face to anyone who ranks up legitimately and earns their upgrades.

As for "it's only 2 people, they don't make a difference", I call shenanigans. 2 people can win the game for you, even when the rest of the team is a bunch of troglodytes. I've done it, others have done it, so yes it does matter.

 

[instantbenz]

This has been a glitch inherent in their recent games. In other words "How do you miss something so obvious that you've had difficulty with in the past?" ...


... It's a trap!

 

[Operations]

Wow they actually did something about the cheaters, some of them were so very very blatant about it.
Given how poorly they moderate their own forums I didnt hold out much hope for them monitoring the game either.

The patch will also, and I feel this is significant, reduce the brightness of the tactical flashlight to "really goddamn bright" compared to its current setting of "tiny handheld sun."

Lol

*Edit*
Ok so the story sounded great about them banning cheaters, yet I go check battlelog and the guy with the highest K/D ratio of 30:1 is still there and exploiting.
If you have BF3 take a look at this report http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/5463420/1/367112736/
He has 181 kills to 1 death, next best guy is 34:17.
Maybe DICE are just banning people on the console version of the game?

 

[Baresark]

On one hand, I'm glad they ban cheaters. But can we really trust them to get only guilty people? Probably not.

On the other hand, you offend in their forums and you get your account banned....

It feels like signing into an EA account in the not to distant future may become a bannable offense. Just another reason to never purchase another game from them.

 

[Anthony Wells]

Is it really cheating to exploit a glitch that the game developers made? I get being ticked off by hackers, but exploiting a glitch is different.

Didnt you know your not allowed to do anything that the developers do not approve of. It does not matter if it is in the game or even if it is a glitch or not. If the developers dont like it its not a ban worthy crime. I have actually seen stat resets and bans for things that are no where near this bad in CoD before though so this does not surprise me.

wow....that's really messed up. Talk about abuse of power.

ok heres my thought: exploiting a game in single player, 100% ok. exploiting it in multiplayer however...thats no good.

 

[Twilight_guy]

They own the servers so... yeah.

Anyways, good to see them banning exploiters. I would have liked to see them release an emergency hot-fix at the same time but I have no idea how complex the code is so it might take them some time.

Could you perhaps explain to me why it is a good idea to ban somebody for leveling up faster? Its not like people using this glitch are actually hurting anybody they are just gaining levels. They arnt cheating to do it or anything either.

Is the fact that these people are leveling up faster do to taking an action that is a software glitch upsetting the rest of the community? If it is then a company must respond by banning these people or risk either upsetting their larger fanbase or appear as if they have no control on their game.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

What? You shouldn't be banned for farming xp like that. If you're aim-botting or something, sure. But you're not even affecting anyone with that glitch.

 

[MisterDyslexo]

While I approve of banning cheaters, these guys just aren't cheaters. They're abusers, not cheaters. If something can be abused, something in the game, they'll do it. And quite frankly, this doesn't even hurt the other team, just their own. These guys should be banned as much as team-killers in hardcore mode. These guys are as much cheaters as say the one-man-army infinite grenade glitch in Call of Duty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfpCn_kuBKs

Its extremely cheap, and definitely not playing how it was intended, but its simply not cheating. I think a temp-ban would have served better, maybe a week or two vacation from the game for them.

If they were to actually alter the game though, actually hack, no problem with a permanent ban. While there are plenty of glitches and exploits that work in this game (such as spawn mortars) or really any game that are cheap, they should never be equitable to actual cheating, no matter how bad it gets.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Currently, unscrupulous BF3 players using the engineer class can clock up thousands of experience points per match by continuously repairing an overturned jeep [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoDfVXfcJAk].

That...doesn't sound like cheating. It's an exploit, at worst. Is banning people for it really fair?

DICE has promised a patch for that exploit, as well as several other glitches, including a rather amusing one that turns random players into unstoppable, immortal terminators. The patch will also, and I feel this is significant, reduce the brightness of the tactical flashlight to "really goddamn bright" compared to its current setting of "tiny handheld sun."

Christ, I thought that was just my connection flipping out. I put a full AR mag and half a pistol mag into a guy, didn't even get a hit marker...then I noticed that my entire team was doing the same a few seconds later.

Player banning is currently a sticky issue for EA, considering the recent news [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/87102-EA-Get-Banned-From-Forums-Lose-Your-Games] that being banned from the EA forums can affect a player's access to his or her games on the Origin service. Regardless, seeing cheaters banned, and tasting their delicious tears, never gets old. It really doesn't.

But...you didn't talk about cheaters. You mentioned one way that people could get a good deal of EXP with minimal effort, but it wasn't by using glitches, hacks, or anything of the sort.

Aren't there actual cheaters to be shown before we start gloating?

 

[Char-Nobyl]

They own the servers so... yeah.

Anyways, good to see them banning exploiters. I would have liked to see them release an emergency hot-fix at the same time but I have no idea how complex the code is so it might take them some time.

Could you perhaps explain to me why it is a good idea to ban somebody for leveling up faster? Its not like people using this glitch are actually hurting anybody they are just gaining levels. They arnt cheating to do it or anything either.

Is the fact that these people are leveling up faster do to taking an action that is a software glitch upsetting the rest of the community? If it is then a company must respond by banning these people or risk either upsetting their larger fanbase or appear as if they have no control on their game.

It isn't a software glitch, mate. Jeep flips over, gradually loses health. Engineer repairs, gets points for repairing. Both of those things are supposed to happen. DICE just didn't anticipate them happening at once, which doesn't require any error of the system.

 

[SelectivelyEvil13]

Ban? Just wipe the stat's and fix the bugs, especially if a ban can make you lose access to the other games you have.

That is a more sensible approach I think. After all, this is EA we're talking about here, so we must all remember that their bans tend to be more far-reaching than "You don't get to play this one game." Besides, they were boosting xp with a glitch in-game. Patch it, reset their stats, and be done with it. If they wasted all of that time to get that xp and it is all for nothing, then that in itself is a pretty just punishment. Hell, if you're feeling really touchy, set their xp to negative figures so they have to really work their way back to green. But to outright ban them over something rather trivial compared to hackers and people whose cheating is actually a pain in the ass? That's rather overdone and a bit too.... EA-ish.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Currently, unscrupulous BF3 players using the engineer class can clock up thousands of experience points per match by continuously repairing an overturned jeep [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoDfVXfcJAk].

Did anyone else laugh at the thought of the TF2 engineer standing around yelling "FIXIN' THA JEEP!" as he spent the rest of the match banging a wrench over the twisted metal salad that used to be someone's car?

I did, actually. Then I remembered this was Battlefield 3. Supersrsnofunallowedgame.

Could you try to bait just a little harder? That'd be great.

 

[Denamic]

Is it really cheating to exploit a glitch that the game developers made? I get being ticked off by hackers, but exploiting a glitch is different.

The issue is exploits.
Take TF2 for example.
Spycrab: Glitch.
Shooting from outside of the map: Exploit.

 

[AndyRock]

I love the level of not reading in this thread, they're banning the hackers, and wiping the stats of the exploiters, pretty fair if you ask me