That's exactly what I think every time I read one of your posts.shatnershaman said:
I know there are good single player games out there (And coming up), but the ratio of those to games that focus on multiplayer is just pathetic.
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I know there are good single player games out there (And coming up), but the ratio of those to games that focus on multiplayer is just pathetic.
I'm guessing you consider a game like Halo multiplayer focused? Then its pathetic but there are not many Multiplayer only games.Shadow Tyrant said:
Hey I gotta get my jabs in on a 360 fanboy when I can.shatnershaman said:What the hell does that have to do with anything? Shadow Tyrant doesn't have a PS3 but has a 360.Bulletinmybrain said:
EDITamn it you have to copy the links not click.
Halo is multiplayer focused. How many people actually play it for the story? Five? I have the third installment, and I honestly have to say I only play the campaign because it's a substitute for online. I make stages with Forge and mess around on them by myself, knowing full well no one else is ever going to see them. It's actually pretty pathetic.
Not that many games are mutliplayer only (Cough TF2 cough), but most of them are so focused on it that the single player might as well not exist. Why can't I customize my guns in the campaign of CoD4 like I could if I played multiplayer? Half the reason I got the game was because I saw how good the customization was. But nope, that's only in multiplayer. Saying "You can have all these features, but only if you're playing against other people" is, hands down, the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Not to mention half the achievements for any/all games are done in multiplayer. Well, there goes my gamerscore! Not that it matters, because no one but me is ever going to see it, but.
Not that many games are mutliplayer only (Cough TF2 cough), but most of them are so focused on it that the single player might as well not exist. Why can't I customize my guns in the campaign of CoD4 like I could if I played multiplayer? Half the reason I got the game was because I saw how good the customization was. But nope, that's only in multiplayer. Saying "You can have all these features, but only if you're playing against other people" is, hands down, the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Not to mention half the achievements for any/all games are done in multiplayer. Well, there goes my gamerscore! Not that it matters, because no one but me is ever going to see it, but.
Well, what I liked about Rainbow Six Vegas 2 is that you had pretty much the same level of customisability between single- and multi-player, with multi-player actually lacking in customazation because you can only carry one primary weapon, which makes sense.
Need a hug? Xbox live isn't that bad though...Is 5 dollars a month terribly high?Shadow Tyrant said:
No, but I still need like $230 for all the accessories and shit it takes to use it. And that's $230 over what I'm willing to spend. $180 for a 120GB hard drive? No thanks.
But like I said. This thread is more about the games than the prices.
But like I said. This thread is more about the games than the prices.
Shadow Tyrant said:
Seriously you don't need all that space...And coudn't you just wire your 360 directly to your modem instead of going wireless? Saves some money...Also you don't need all that space. My 20 GB has done me well and I did download quite a bit. Just as time drags on you will have to do more mantience clearing and stuff. Your market history is saved and whatnot.
When the Xbox Dashboard gets updated as per the E3 demo, you'll be able to copy discs directly to the hard drive to improve load times, so yeah, I'd say you need the space. And people complained that they filled up the older 20gb ones with demos and videos too quickly. I'm glad of it.
Don't download videos onto it. And load times are not compelling. Damn you instant-gratifiers! Does loading take that long now-a-days? Hell the gaming industry has found ways of covering up loading and you still complain..Rath709 said:
It does seem that a lot of games are focusing more on the multiplayer aspect, which is then detrimental to the single player. However, only games with an excellent single AND multiplayer will be described as truely great.
The thing with multiplayer is that's it's so unpredictable-one game you suck, the next you totally own, you get too see some hilariously bad noobs, and get into awesome duels with other players, and create spectacularly 'epic' moments. And there's something hugely more satisfying beating another human than a computer.
The thing with multiplayer is that's it's so unpredictable-one game you suck, the next you totally own, you get too see some hilariously bad noobs, and get into awesome duels with other players, and create spectacularly 'epic' moments. And there's something hugely more satisfying beating another human than a computer.
Few things...
No one is going to need a 120gb hard drive, not yet anyway, and not anytime soon. It's too much damn space, even with the new option to copy discs directly to your hard drive to approve load times. You don't have to do it, and if you're having trouble affording all the equipment anyway, then just settle for 20gb, or better yet wait a bit as M$oft is coming out with a 60gb version of the box, and I'm sure the hard drive will sell separately.
Go wired. Why not? I do, I got a bloody fifty foot Cat-5e cable running half way across my house, and though I get some shit about it every now and then, it's not that much of a hassle. It's cheaper and a hell of a lot more reliable than getting the wireless adapter.
A 13 month subscription (12+1 free) for XBL Gold costs the same as an average game, so why not forgo a new game and grab yourself a subscription, you're willing to spend the money you might as well...
Lastly... You sound a bit angry, almost embittered at other people's responses... No one said you were poor, hell no one's even disagreeing with you. Just relax a bit man, your situation sucks but it's not like you can't make it better.
No one is going to need a 120gb hard drive, not yet anyway, and not anytime soon. It's too much damn space, even with the new option to copy discs directly to your hard drive to approve load times. You don't have to do it, and if you're having trouble affording all the equipment anyway, then just settle for 20gb, or better yet wait a bit as M$oft is coming out with a 60gb version of the box, and I'm sure the hard drive will sell separately.
Go wired. Why not? I do, I got a bloody fifty foot Cat-5e cable running half way across my house, and though I get some shit about it every now and then, it's not that much of a hassle. It's cheaper and a hell of a lot more reliable than getting the wireless adapter.
A 13 month subscription (12+1 free) for XBL Gold costs the same as an average game, so why not forgo a new game and grab yourself a subscription, you're willing to spend the money you might as well...
Lastly... You sound a bit angry, almost embittered at other people's responses... No one said you were poor, hell no one's even disagreeing with you. Just relax a bit man, your situation sucks but it's not like you can't make it better.
Tried it, was highly unimpressed.Copter400 said:
I can't run a cable to my 360. I would have to run it across the room, which I can't do because there are small children and dogs running around the house and they'd always be tripping over it and ripping it out. I'm not dealing with that.Isaac Dodgson said:
Because if I did that, I wouldn't have enough money to buy a game to play on it.
That happens when I'm tired. I'm not even going to respond to that last bit because this is starting to turn into a "Pity me" thread. The fact remains that I don't have Live and I won't be getting it for some time, so single player games are my only option. Of course there aren't any of those. (None that are good, anyway.) :|
Im sorry, I read this and I have to say this:
Shadow, you sound completely pretentious. You have shot down every major title that has been offered to you and you complain about the market changing leaving you, a minority it seems, out in the cold. I can find many great single player games for you, but you would be "unimpressed" or "lame". I'm sorry, if the best of the best is lame to you, then just quit gaming.
Here is my recommendation. You don't like the internet? Don't ask the opinion of the denizens of it. Go buy a gaming magazine or two and read them, send in your mail and wait for an answer. Sorry large gaming companies are not catering to your every want and need.
Edit: I'm never one to make fun of someone for what they can and cannot afford; I'm a college student, as well. But you seem to buy/try alot of these major releases but yet cannot afford the Live Subscription and/or 50ft cable of Ethernet.
Buy it, make it a home project to run it through the walls or get ceiling clips and clip it above. Cheap, effective, just takes time.
If you have a limited gaming budget, Live is actually a BETTER idea. You can get it for $40 on Newegg, right now, which is $3.07 a month. Add in one game like CoD4 which you could play for 3 months instead of 6 hours... so $60 + 9 = $69 for 3 months worth of gaming. That's a little more than WoW. For 3 months.
I'm sorry about financial restrictions or your dislike for the "common" taste, but best bet at this point: You already know what you want and you know where the market is going. Get over it.
Shadow, you sound completely pretentious. You have shot down every major title that has been offered to you and you complain about the market changing leaving you, a minority it seems, out in the cold. I can find many great single player games for you, but you would be "unimpressed" or "lame". I'm sorry, if the best of the best is lame to you, then just quit gaming.
Here is my recommendation. You don't like the internet? Don't ask the opinion of the denizens of it. Go buy a gaming magazine or two and read them, send in your mail and wait for an answer. Sorry large gaming companies are not catering to your every want and need.
Edit: I'm never one to make fun of someone for what they can and cannot afford; I'm a college student, as well. But you seem to buy/try alot of these major releases but yet cannot afford the Live Subscription and/or 50ft cable of Ethernet.
Buy it, make it a home project to run it through the walls or get ceiling clips and clip it above. Cheap, effective, just takes time.
If you have a limited gaming budget, Live is actually a BETTER idea. You can get it for $40 on Newegg, right now, which is $3.07 a month. Add in one game like CoD4 which you could play for 3 months instead of 6 hours... so $60 + 9 = $69 for 3 months worth of gaming. That's a little more than WoW. For 3 months.
I'm sorry about financial restrictions or your dislike for the "common" taste, but best bet at this point: You already know what you want and you know where the market is going. Get over it.
I would say that the reason that single player aspects of games are getting shorter and multiplayer is becoming an aspect that's more focused on is that developing games nowadays is extremely difficult. Graphics are expected to be at least somewhat mind-blowing, and even though a lot of different parties get together to integrate things like physics and AI, it still takes a long time and the money burns up fast. Thus developers aren't able to make long, full single player games like they used to. Thus mulitplayer becomes a big part of recent gaming.
You're not missing out on too much not having live though. The Live games worth playing generally are played by 80% morons and bigots. It helps you appreciate the odd refreshingly pleasant person though.
You're not missing out on too much not having live though. The Live games worth playing generally are played by 80% morons and bigots. It helps you appreciate the odd refreshingly pleasant person though.
Exactly TheKbob. With a cheap live subscription the amount of playtime you'll get out of a game like COD4 goes through the roof. While it does have a riveting single player campaign, worth playing through multiple times just because it's that badass, being able to multiplayer on it is well worth the minor investment.
You don't need all those accessories to access live either. The 20GB HD will work just fine, and an ethernet cable is only a few bucks or even free if you can get one from work/school (remember, stealing office supplies is a time honored and noble tradition), get one from a buddy, or make your own (which is easy).
And honestly, if you hate all of these titles that are out on the 360, you proooobably would have been better off buying a Wii. The system is cheaper, the games are cheaper and unconventional, and as far as I know online is free. I'd just pawn off or trade your 360 and get it over with.
To stay on topic though, I'm a sailor in the Merchant Marines, and I definitely understand where Shadow is coming from. I normally don't have internet access when I'm at work, and when I do, it's pretty damn slow (I can just barely log into Eve to trip skills and do some very laggy mining). So it is kind of a shame that games are focusing more and more on having expansive multiplayer and less on the single player experience. However, hooray for PC gaming and the huge amount of older games I can play (Homeworld 2 <3) and access to all the neat mods and independant games available (Battleship Forever = Winner http://www.wyrdysm.com/games.php ).
You don't need all those accessories to access live either. The 20GB HD will work just fine, and an ethernet cable is only a few bucks or even free if you can get one from work/school (remember, stealing office supplies is a time honored and noble tradition), get one from a buddy, or make your own (which is easy).
And honestly, if you hate all of these titles that are out on the 360, you proooobably would have been better off buying a Wii. The system is cheaper, the games are cheaper and unconventional, and as far as I know online is free. I'd just pawn off or trade your 360 and get it over with
.To stay on topic though, I'm a sailor in the Merchant Marines, and I definitely understand where Shadow is coming from. I normally don't have internet access when I'm at work, and when I do, it's pretty damn slow (I can just barely log into Eve to trip skills and do some very laggy mining). So it is kind of a shame that games are focusing more and more on having expansive multiplayer and less on the single player experience. However, hooray for PC gaming and the huge amount of older games I can play (Homeworld 2 <3) and access to all the neat mods and independant games available (Battleship Forever = Winner http://www.wyrdysm.com/games.php ).
Yah, I just bought Gothic 2 for $5 (and it runs on my 4yr old laptop, SCORE!) and Spellforce 2 for a $1.
Just do what I'm doing... I'm getting a log of old, cheap games, gonna play them through this game season until next spring/summer, and then start buying the games as they come down in price and/or used. I will still buy a few, as with any sort of restriction placed on yourself, if you don't splurge within limit, you will break down and get off the plan. My splurges are all long lasting titles: Fallout 3, Spore, Starcraft 2, Dawn of War 2, Diablo 3. Those are the games I'm planning on buying Day one. I'm leaving many, MANY great games on the wayside like Left 4 Dead and Gears, but I will either ask for them as gifts, or just deal without until they drop in price.
Just do what I'm doing... I'm getting a log of old, cheap games, gonna play them through this game season until next spring/summer, and then start buying the games as they come down in price and/or used. I will still buy a few, as with any sort of restriction placed on yourself, if you don't splurge within limit, you will break down and get off the plan. My splurges are all long lasting titles: Fallout 3, Spore, Starcraft 2, Dawn of War 2, Diablo 3. Those are the games I'm planning on buying Day one. I'm leaving many, MANY great games on the wayside like Left 4 Dead and Gears, but I will either ask for them as gifts, or just deal without until they drop in price.
I dunno, I DO have Live and I still wish that games focused less on the multiplayer aspect and more on the singleplayer one. Why? Because I really don't spend a huge amount of time playing and it gets really, really tiresome going online to play and getting completely and utterly wasted by those people who spend hours and hours every single day playing games online.
Good game design can slightly ease the issue, like in Call of Duty 4 or Team Fortress 2, but still... joining a COD4 game and looking at the player list and seeing 70-80% of players at level 55 is still a bit discouraging.
... and in some other games, it's downright impossible to do anything at all. (cough... rainbow six vegas... cough).
Now to be fair, multiplayer probably gets more players then the singleplayer could ever hope to get, so obviously a lot of attention will be focused there. But I'd even love it if there was the option to play against bots on the multiplayer maps. Bots aren't morons to you, can be adjusted to whatever ability level you choose, and generally act more realistic then actual human players.
Good game design can slightly ease the issue, like in Call of Duty 4 or Team Fortress 2, but still... joining a COD4 game and looking at the player list and seeing 70-80% of players at level 55 is still a bit discouraging.
... and in some other games, it's downright impossible to do anything at all. (cough... rainbow six vegas... cough).
Now to be fair, multiplayer probably gets more players then the singleplayer could ever hope to get, so obviously a lot of attention will be focused there. But I'd even love it if there was the option to play against bots on the multiplayer maps. Bots aren't morons to you, can be adjusted to whatever ability level you choose, and generally act more realistic then actual human players.