Darwinism said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
Darwinism said:
Ah, so education is the answer as always. Education is good, except when it's not, right?
Telling an adult to not get too drunk and to not walk alone at night isn't education, it's condescension.
Also, people have the right to expect to not be raped. But, it's cool, keep on saying that it's fine to say, in effect, "Just don't get into a situation where someone else forces themselves on you, that works I hear!"
Not sure our expectancy is all that meaningful when it comes to safety. We expect people to be good, we have a system in place to deal with those who aren't... Yet problems persist.
Are you offended by the "don't drink and drive" campaigns? 'Cause, you're an adult, adults drive, and you know not to drink and drive, right?
Your insistence in wrongly paraphrasing peoples arguments is funny. How does "there are ways to reduce risk" become "Just don't get into a situation where someone else forces themselves on you, that works I hear!"? It's some impressive spin to make concerned people sound like monsters.
thaluikhain said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
If you're saying that rape is ill-defined in public perception... Fair enough, you're probably on point, at least to a certain degree.
In regards to the scenarios you present. I really think you'd have trouble finding people who don't think it's rape if there was a definite "no" and physical resistance.
They exist. "She wanted it, really" or "her mouth said no but her eyes said yes" and so on. Polanski had (and has) his defenders, for example.
In any case, that's not setting the bar that high.
Don't know what to do with this information really. "Some people have fucked up views". Got it.
Nice talking to you.
LifeCharacter said:
My mother respects my intelligence. Honestly... Why assume the worst meaning all the damn time? Is the "don't be condescending to me!" thing just born of laughable insecurity or something? I don't know where this arsey, anti-social bullshit comes from. Enlighten me...
It's perfectly acceptable, in my social experience, to remind a person to be vigilant and look out for themselves. I've done it to friends and family, and I've had it in return. Even if it's only "don't do anything stupid, yeh?". It's met with thanks for the concern, not "uh, God! Stop being condescending. I'm big and strong and know it all!"
Complacency does happen to people, to smart people, to dumb people... To people! Sometimes... It's an invitation for bad shit to happen. Why would people take that concern and throw it back in a persons face? It makes no sense to me.
"Being out late alone is dangerous" in no way means "it's your fault if someone wrongs you". Come on, be serious... Stop making cartoon villains out of everyone that doesn't accept your ideas.
I realise this'll make me unpopular(read: more unpopular), but it just comes off as petulant brattery(probably not a word, but should be one) to me.
LifeCharacter, this isn't all aimed at you. I apologise if it comes off that way. You've been respectful enough. I have 4 people talking to me, and... you know.
"And the thing about people still doing it even though they know it's a bad idea is that sometimes you don't have a choice. If you work at night and don't own a car, what exactly are you supposed to do? Just hide out somewhere until dawn? It's the same for people who talk about "dangerous neighborhoods" because some people actually live in said neighborhoods and have to walk through them."
No issue with any of this. There are good reasons and bad reasons to find yourself in the riskier scenarios. It just... Doesn't make the advice not right.
- Panda xoxox