id Software Praises "Always On" in Diablo 3
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well until blizzard switch off the servers you have to connect too, you mean?Mariena said:
or you move house and your new isp/phone supplier is slow to move.
or you find yourself in tighter financial situation and suddenly, good fast internet starts looking like a luxury you maybe cant afford?
or a drunk friend/hyper child/angry spouse spills *something* on your router?
or your ISP just has one of those spastic nights where something dies between you and the gateway?
or heavy storms hit your area?
I don't have a problem with the technical aspects myself, but others will and I'm not a selfish asshat. Not buying anything else off either company, two can play at 'fuck you' attitudes.
Also, 'force'? Force? Go suck a million dicks, sir, and choke yourself to death.
What the hell. You know, my friend stopped buying games years ago. He said he has enough replayable games and fantastic free games that he doesn't need to, with the odd exception of indie titles. I'm starting to think he might have the right idea. It's just a game, guys. You don't need it.
Also, 'force'? Force? Go suck a million dicks, sir, and choke yourself to death.
What the hell. You know, my friend stopped buying games years ago. He said he has enough replayable games and fantastic free games that he doesn't need to, with the odd exception of indie titles. I'm starting to think he might have the right idea. It's just a game, guys. You don't need it.
The D2 servers are still running, and that's from 2000. I'll start worrying when they shut those down. Actually, no, I won't be worrying at all as I'll move on to a different game.mirasiel said:
Very interesting situations, especially something being spilled on my router (*snicker*). If I'm in a tight financial situation I'm not gonna spend my days playing Diablo 3.
I'm dependent on being connected to the internet 24/7, so one more thing to add to the mix isn't gonna change anything for me.
Doesn't bother me at all. I've got worse things to worry about than my internet connection interrupting my game..
Wait....Tim Willits is a rapist? Because I think that's what he just said. That if somebody big enough forces you, you will learn to love it.
Nope. Sorry. Still not buying Diablo 3. I don't want to be a gold farmer for Blizzard and I don't want to be always on in order to prove that I legitimately bought the game.
Nope. Sorry. Still not buying Diablo 3. I don't want to be a gold farmer for Blizzard and I don't want to be always on in order to prove that I legitimately bought the game.
Well this Tim fella can kindly go bugger himself with a flaming bat if you ask me. As can Blizzard for the decisions they've made with Diablo 3 over the past couple of weeks. The only thing you are going to force people to do by trying to force always on DRM on them is either drive a good chunk of them from your games or drive them to piracy. Sure some people might download a crack to be able to play it and still pay for it out of some sense of doing the right thing but most people I know will just save the money and pirate the damn thing if they are going to have to crack it anyway.
As for me, I will probably just avoid it. ActiBlizzard is quickly going down the same path as Bioware. They are a once great company that are compromising what made them great in the name of greed.
Thankfully, the landscape has greatly changed since the release of Diablo 2 and there are a slew of alternate choices out there besides Diablo 3. Torchlight 2 is looking to be a damn fine alternative as is Bastion and I'm sure with a bit of digging there are plenty of other equally amazing games that are made by people who love gaming and not large companies who stopped loving gaming a long time ago after being blinded by greed.
In short, fuck this Tim guy and fuck Blizzard it will be a cold day in Hell before I pay 60 dollars to rent a game. There are plenty of other devs out there who are more than happy to sell me a quality game and NOT screw me over.
As for me, I will probably just avoid it. ActiBlizzard is quickly going down the same path as Bioware. They are a once great company that are compromising what made them great in the name of greed.
Thankfully, the landscape has greatly changed since the release of Diablo 2 and there are a slew of alternate choices out there besides Diablo 3. Torchlight 2 is looking to be a damn fine alternative as is Bastion and I'm sure with a bit of digging there are plenty of other equally amazing games that are made by people who love gaming and not large companies who stopped loving gaming a long time ago after being blinded by greed.
In short, fuck this Tim guy and fuck Blizzard it will be a cold day in Hell before I pay 60 dollars to rent a game. There are plenty of other devs out there who are more than happy to sell me a quality game and NOT screw me over.
Why buy a game that you don't technically own?
Isn't this Illegal under some technicality?
It's like like centIpad episode of south park, If you agree to the terms of conditions they probably have the ability to sew your face to a DRM machine if you want to play the game.
Isn't this Illegal under some technicality?
It's like like centIpad episode of south park, If you agree to the terms of conditions they probably have the ability to sew your face to a DRM machine if you want to play the game.
Meh, whatever. I don't see the point though. Is it against piracy? Because it doesn't work against piracy. Nothing will stop piracy, period.
But it doesn't really bother me. Blizzard's probably got servers that won't just die and not let you play when you want, and anyone who plays a Diablo game is pretty much guaranteed to have internets accesses.
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But it doesn't really bother me. Blizzard's probably got servers that won't just die and not let you play when you want, and anyone who plays a Diablo game is pretty much guaranteed to have internets accesses.
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Given that I haven't enjoyed an id game since Quake 2, I couldn't care less what this dude says I will do or what I'll accept. He obviously has no clue.
I can't play these [edit: online-only] games whenever I want, it's not that I won't. Despite living in about as connected an area as you get (urban Sweden), there will be times (evidenced by experience with muliplayer games) that the network will be down, having critically failed at some impasse along the dizzying routes from my network card to Blizzards servers. That is the fucking nature of the Internets, and nothing id or Blizzard can do will change that.
I won't cash out full-price for the game, that is what I will not do-- since I can't reasonably use the product whenever I want, I shan't be paying full price for it.
Which means I wait until the price drops (and the bugs are ironed out). I've been waiting for about ten years, so a couple of more won't hurt me one bit. Meanwhile, there's Torchlight 2.
If they drop the always-on-drm (as a professional software developer I call bullshit on all the other purported benefits or reasons), I will re-pre-order a Collectors Edition.
I can't play these [edit: online-only] games whenever I want, it's not that I won't. Despite living in about as connected an area as you get (urban Sweden), there will be times (evidenced by experience with muliplayer games) that the network will be down, having critically failed at some impasse along the dizzying routes from my network card to Blizzards servers. That is the fucking nature of the Internets, and nothing id or Blizzard can do will change that.
I won't cash out full-price for the game, that is what I will not do-- since I can't reasonably use the product whenever I want, I shan't be paying full price for it.
Which means I wait until the price drops (and the bugs are ironed out). I've been waiting for about ten years, so a couple of more won't hurt me one bit. Meanwhile, there's Torchlight 2.
If they drop the always-on-drm (as a professional software developer I call bullshit on all the other purported benefits or reasons), I will re-pre-order a Collectors Edition.
You know this forum heckled me when I said that Blizzard was the worst possible thing in video games today. I just think I might be a wee bit right on this one. I knew they would pull something like this once I saw that Starcraft II was going to be three full priced installments for a single player campaign.
I said nothing good would come of it, and nothing has. They started the always online crap with SC 2's singleplayer and just wanted to keep going. And people think I'm crazy. They'll probably use force to get everyone who can have internet to get it, and people like me who basically are on a monthly allowance because I have to use Verizon mobile broadband (which is not broadbandy at all) or something slower, dodgier, and worse are stuck out in the rain It's too much to hope that it puts the Diablo project in the red and teaches them something.
Thankfully I'm just beyond Blizzard now. D2 was fun, but it's not that great.
I said nothing good would come of it, and nothing has. They started the always online crap with SC 2's singleplayer and just wanted to keep going. And people think I'm crazy. They'll probably use force to get everyone who can have internet to get it, and people like me who basically are on a monthly allowance because I have to use Verizon mobile broadband (which is not broadbandy at all) or something slower, dodgier, and worse are stuck out in the rain It's too much to hope that it puts the Diablo project in the red and teaches them something.
Thankfully I'm just beyond Blizzard now. D2 was fun, but it's not that great.
Throwing in my 2 cents, I don't care that it requires an always on internet connection. I care that they're disabling mods and legitimizing a real money auction house so they can skim from every sale. That's just evil.
LOLJaredXE said:
In all seriousness though, I do find it sad how the whole industry continues to move towards treating all of their customers as potential criminals.
We can't return anything we buy (once opened) and soon enough you won't be able to enjoy your entertainment without being tethered constantly to the content creator.
I know I'll make no sense to some people who will quote all sorts of reasons why these measures are necessary but I can't help but envy book worms. Their industry can EASILY be copied and be taken advantage of yet you can still buy a book, open it (lol), and return it if you don't like it. You can also take it with you, lend it to a friend, sell it, buy used, etc. and there's no guilt or propaganda associated with it. Sigh.
*facepalm*
What the fucking what? Why is stuff like "learn to love" and "forced to accept" being used in a non-sarcastic way? I can only compare this to some sort of twisted rape logic.
Okay, let's break it down slowly: say a man wants to rape a woman. However, he's not strong enough to do so reliably and get away with it. But then he sees a much bigger, stronger man who also wants to rape that same woman, and thinks that if that bigger, stronger guy can do it enough and force the woman to believe that she likes it, then the first guy can go ahead and rape her, too.
Now, the actual scenario: the head of id Software says that, if he had the power to, he would force gamers to be always online if they want to play single player games. He's not strong enough to do that, so he doesn't. But then he sees Blizzard about to try and force gamers to be online at all times, and senses that if Blizzard can force gamers to accept it, then id Software can do it, too.
Here's the problem with Willits' scheme: it thinks that there are too many similarities between the hypothetical rape and this 'always online' thing. If Blizzard forces players to always be online, and Diablo 3 still sells really well, players will still resent this policy whenever it causes problems. It won't make it any easier for id Software to implement. In fact, he's come outright and said what he hopes will happen. He's saying outright that he thinks gamers will eventually love a hated feature from a big developer that they'll accept that same feature from a smaller developer.
To continue my previous metaphor, that's the equivalent of a little guy outright telling you, "Hey, this big guy is planning to rape you. I hope he does it so well that you won't resist when I try and rape you."
Jesus Christ. And I thought the 3D Realms advertiser threatening to blacklist game reviewers was boneheaded.
What the fucking what? Why is stuff like "learn to love" and "forced to accept" being used in a non-sarcastic way? I can only compare this to some sort of twisted rape logic.
Okay, let's break it down slowly: say a man wants to rape a woman. However, he's not strong enough to do so reliably and get away with it. But then he sees a much bigger, stronger man who also wants to rape that same woman, and thinks that if that bigger, stronger guy can do it enough and force the woman to believe that she likes it, then the first guy can go ahead and rape her, too.
Now, the actual scenario: the head of id Software says that, if he had the power to, he would force gamers to be always online if they want to play single player games. He's not strong enough to do that, so he doesn't. But then he sees Blizzard about to try and force gamers to be online at all times, and senses that if Blizzard can force gamers to accept it, then id Software can do it, too.
Here's the problem with Willits' scheme: it thinks that there are too many similarities between the hypothetical rape and this 'always online' thing. If Blizzard forces players to always be online, and Diablo 3 still sells really well, players will still resent this policy whenever it causes problems. It won't make it any easier for id Software to implement. In fact, he's come outright and said what he hopes will happen. He's saying outright that he thinks gamers will eventually love a hated feature from a big developer that they'll accept that same feature from a smaller developer.
To continue my previous metaphor, that's the equivalent of a little guy outright telling you, "Hey, this big guy is planning to rape you. I hope he does it so well that you won't resist when I try and rape you."
Jesus Christ. And I thought the 3D Realms advertiser threatening to blacklist game reviewers was boneheaded.
It ain't just that: he's saying that if someone big enough forces you, you'll learn to love it when a smaller someone tries to force you. I just posted my thoughts on this, but...Jesus. This whole thing just reeks of a budding PR disaster.JaredXE said: