I'm a vegan and I come in peace...

[AndyFromMonday]

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You certainly suggested that. The idea that animals can feel emotions outside of instinct is laughable. They're not sentient and our species is much more important than the pointless life of a cow or a pig. We thrive, they survive.

Except i did. I would suggest you read my post, i am not going to rephrase it.

I'd love it if you could actually "rephrase" what you said because I did reread your post and I found nothing. I'm guessing claiming to have made an argument is easier than actually making one .

Plants aren't sentient nor do they feel anything, now go away.

I spilled my drink reading that. You should be a comedian, seriously.

 

[Waaghpowa]

I don't condone animal cruelty. I myself have pets and I cringe at the thought of something happening to them, but I'll still eat meat. I'm an epicurean, meaning I eat not just to survive, but because I enjoy foods. So until meat stops being tasty, I'll continue to eat it.


I have no problem with people making the choice to be vegetarian or vegan, I do have a problem with them getting in my face and preaching to me.

I also hate hypocrites who rationalize their vegetarianism, like those who wont eat meat, but fish ok. Fish = animal. Eating animal = eating meat.

 

[EternalFacepalm]

We're carnivores

You misspelled omnivores.

You wrote a three-word post, when you easily could've worked that into one of your two other posts.
Congratulations.
And an omnivore is still a carnivore, I simply stated "carnivore" because that is what's relevant to the topic.

 

[RichardThompson]

Last time I checked, animals aren't intelligent. There's no reason why we shouldn't eat them.

I dunno, I've been outsmarted by a cat many's a time and I'm studying medicine in university now.

Speaking as a lax vegetarian (i.e. I don't honestly care but I generally eat vegetarian unless it's inconvenient, just don't like the taste of meat) I do have quite a high moral high-ground on this kind of thing such as I wouldn't eat at places where they're known to be dicks to animals, don't support battery farming and buy organic when I buy it at all, it's just I can't see others giving all the fucks that I do. Generally if they don't share my view I won't be able to convince them otherwise.
Oh and I do wear leather, have a nice leather jacket which I bought second hand off someone. But on the grounds of 'I highly doubt the cow was reared specifically for this jacket, more likely the meat'. I make that statement because I didn't recognise the brand and assumed it was a small retailer which probably didn't have the resources to breed cows for their leather.
Also it still seems to be a sort of taboo to be vegetarian, don't know if anyone else has noticed? The sooner that blows over the better, but people still seem to freak out when I offer them vegetarian food when they're over at my house.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Last time i checked, babies werent intelligent, There's no reason why we shouldent eat them

That's a genius idea. I'll heat up the oven, you make the sauce.

Yeah, let's get some Modest Proposal shit up and running!

 

[Something Amyss]

To sum it up: Just because we *can* eat anything, doesn't necessarily mean that we *should*.

You're right. We should stop eating plant matter entirely.

As someone who has been hospitalised for malnutrition because the began idea of protein sources didn't cut it, it's annoying to be told I can choose to not eat animals. I'm not even fond of meat, but if it's that or the hospital, well, life chooses life.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I dunno, I've been outsmarted by a cat many's a time and I'm studying medicine in university now.

I bet cats could perform major surgery if they think hard enough about it.

I do have quite a high moral high-ground

I've yet to meet a vegetarian or vegan who doesn't.

Also it still seems to be a sort of taboo to be vegetarian, don't know if anyone else has noticed? The sooner that blows over the better, but people still seem to freak out when I offer them vegetarian food when they're over at my house.

How would you feel if you went to someones house and they failed to take into account that you're a vegetarian?

 

[uzo]

I'm gonna do something really silly, and it's this:

I see a thread by someone claiming to be vegan ... and I shake my head, and walk away. It's like seeing a thread raised by someone who begins a conversation as 'Well, as a devout Muslim ...' or 'As Jesus once said,' or 'The God-Emperor Of Mankind declares..' ... I just ... there's no reasoning ... I see validity in all the points raised ... what with the killing of an animal vs. ones appetite n all ... but I simply lack the energy to bother talking about it.

Enjoy your vegan .... ism? ... And as much as you don't want to tell everyone about how vegan you are, and how it's superior to a primitive omnivorous diet ... well ... you just did. It's like telling someone 'Don't be mad, buuuuuut .... '.

Now excuse me. I'm going to go smoke some vegetables. Because smoking a cow is cruel.

 

[poleboy]

Also it still seems to be a sort of taboo to be vegetarian, don't know if anyone else has noticed? The sooner that blows over the better, but people still seem to freak out when I offer them vegetarian food when they're over at my house.

How would you feel if you went to someones house and they failed to take into account that you're a vegetarian?

I'm sorry, but there's quite a difference. No human can survive long on meat alone. There are no pure human meat eaters, so there's no reason for someone not to be able to eat a vegetarian dish. Everyone eats grain, or rice, or vegetables or some other non-meat product.

 

[RagTagBand]

I eat meat because I have yet to see a single worthy argument against me eating meat, there may be ethical considerations to the way the meat is farmed but the actual act of eating meat offers me absolutely no ethical problems whatsoever.

But color me unsurprised that the righteous vegan OP came here to convert the meat-eating sinners, color me less surprised that their argument contained misinformation, mistakes and fallacies. I mean, claiming Humans aren't animals? Please. If you'd like to do that, then please excuse me whilst I claim that cows are vegetables.

Also, Anybody else find it curious that the Vegan is going after Omnivores rather than vegetarians? It seems that Vegans would have a far easier job converting a vegetarian to veganism, yet I never see that debate happen. Ever. It's always against the meat eaters.

 

[PipPup]

Technically people are animals. We are part of the animal kingdom. We just happen to be sentient; however, we are still animals.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I'm sorry, but there's quite a difference. No human can survive long on meat alone. There are no pure human meat eaters, so there's no reason for someone not to be able to eat a vegetarian dish. Everyone eats grain, or rice, or vegetables or some other non-meat product.

I never talked about that. Re-read my post.

 

[Grimbold]

Hey Vegan, what do you think about abortion and why do you hate eggs?

I admit that vegetarians are morally superior to meat-eaters but you can not resent them for doing as we have done forever. The human brain could only evolve to its current size because our ancestors began hunting and eating nutritious meat. Of course we could now substitute it with crops rich in protein, I just wanted to remind everyone not to be ungrateful to the meat.
I try not to eat meat everyday, and to get organic meat from the area if possible. That's my share in preserving ressources and granting farm animals better lives.
I have observed that vegetarians tend to be people from urban areas who have never seen a farm animal anyways. In its extreme forms, veganism or even frutarism, it seems to me as a symptom of people's growing estrangement from the basis of our livelyhood, just like people who think beef comes from the supermarket not from the cow, only the other way round.

 

[RoBi3.0]

My opinion on the matter is simple. Regardless of whether you eat solely eat meat or solely eat vegetation, or a combination of both, you are depriving something of life. Animals live, and so do plants. Vegans draw a line saying that animal life is more important then plant life. People that eat meat put that line between plants/animals and humans. Regardless if you eat anything your are not escaping the choice of depriving something of life so that you can live.

I choose to hold all life as important. I try to eat only what I need, and to waste as little as possible.



Also my advice is to not take MovieBob's views seriously he is a moron that researches his topics as little as possible if at all, than rants into a mic that his opinions are right and if you don't agree with him you are a lesser person then he.

 

[andeve3]

The only fallacious thing is your interpretation of the argument. The argument of vegetarians and vegans is that eating meat is wrong. The argument of people like myself is that it's natural. It's neither inherently evil or good. It's a fact of life.

Humans are capable of eating meat, ergo we eat meat. The only morally questionable ground is how we treat animals that we eat. Farming is not a natural fact of life, it's something that we've created and it has effected various species of animals. The pigs and cows we know today wouldn't even exist if not for the selective breeding of farmers.

But, if we treat the animals with respect and allow them to live as good a life as we can provide, I have no issue with them then being killed in a humane manner for our food.

That is my argument.

You appear to be missing the point of my post. I was not disputing meat-eating being natural, and i was not suggesting that meat-eating is inherently unethical. In fact i mentioned a specific circumstance where eating meat is justifiable. The point i was trying to make was; that if something is natural or not is not relevant to it's moral value. Eating meat is not justifiable simply because it is natural. In the same way as it would not be unethical if we were herbivores, simply because it would be unnatural. I hope my post was not poorly written/unclear.

 

[Substitute Troll]

If I can't have porkchops I don't feel like living anymore.