In Regards to Wild West

[RobertEHouse]

Yet, i would not say that ever member participated in such bulling that it required the full shut down of the WW. Just a removal of "bad" members whom at this point appears might have gotten off lightly with the destruction of the WW.

Ironically while typing i found out one which is still able to exist on this site and comment on this very post...Why?

As moderators it is a quite major catch 22. The Wild West had very few rules (don't break the law or the site was basically it), so people could be just as bad as they wanted. Now, if we as Mods had gone around revoking access to WW or banning members that were living out the "no rules"-decision to the fullest, that would have backfired on us (just as the closing down is apparently doing). So we could punish people for acting out when told it was alright, or we could remove the playground where acting out was alright. We choose the latter.

As a personal aside, as the moderator who most closely monitors R&P, I've witnessed several threads that had to be locked and infractions handed out because of animosity that intensified in the WW and then spilled over to the rest of the boards. Sure, people might be passive aggressive and pissy against each other anyway, but WW took it from that to outright hostility and that hostility wasn't contained to WW alone.

I get your where you guys are coming from,it is a catch-22. The problem i think is really to do more to with the individuals then the community.

Let's be honest though, it's a lot easier to eliminate thought point of contention then to actual address the fact that we really have some "interesting" people in our community. Members in our community whom have either on purpose or for other reasons have no control in what they type. Either rules or no rules these individuals are still going to be an issue. Zebras after all cannot try to change their stripes.

In essence with the Removal of the WW ,eliminates one front for the admins to worry about. In the long term at least for their sanity i hope it works.

 

[Marik2]

And the change happened one day before the one year anniversary of one of the game threads. That's unfortunate.

Which one?

Finish the sentence. I don't know if you remember or saw it, but one of the last posts I made in that thread was one where I alluded to this by starting a sentence with "In another two days..."

You friends with the mods?

 

[Bedinsis]

And the change happened one day before the one year anniversary of one of the game threads. That's unfortunate.

Which one?

Finish the sentence. I don't know if you remember or saw it, but one of the last posts I made in that thread was one where I alluded to this by starting a sentence with "In another two days..."

You friends with the mods?

I am not. And I won't lose any sleep over; it's just unfortunate that a milestone never got to be experienced.

 

[bluegate]

Can't simply remove problematic users - Wynn's case aside - as it violates the whole shtick of WW, no rules aside from "Nothing illegal" and "Don't break the site". Can't bop people for things they've said in WW, so you have to wait and creep around until they slip up out of WW, but some don't even post anywhere but in WW because it lets them get away with things they'd otherwise be bonk'd for.

Only if one is either especially vindictive or has some twisted obsession with policing people. The Wild West was supposed to be without moderation, moderators were supposed to not patrol that section. No matter how big of a dick people were in the Wild West, what happens in the WW stays in the WW, or that is how it should have been IMHO.

Things done and said in the Wild West should have been ignored for the most part, but I guess some people couldn't.

Ah well, by the way, did everyone notice that Chrome has started blocking ads on the Escapist by default because the ads shown here are considered bad practice? Now Defy will even miss out on adclicks from wayward Chrome souls that come breezing by. 👺

 

[BreakfastMan]

I know you think that not taking it seriously makes how you acted okay.

I don't think it says anything one way or the other, honestly.

Dude it says when you are un-directed you gravitate towards bullying. That's... that's kind of a lot. If you seriously don't notice it yourself you might need to talk to someone. I honestly always assumed you were doing it intentionally as part of the fun, but if not then wow dude.

Lol. Dude, you can make posts that aren't just calling me mentally unstable too, you know. Try it, you might even find it fun! XD

 

[BreakfastMan]

Ah well, by the way, did everyone notice that Chrome has started blocking ads on the Escapist by default because the ads shown here are considered bad practice? Now Defy will even miss out on adclicks from wayward Chrome souls that come breezing by. 👺

Yeah, I noticed that as well. Kind of weird, in light of other site functionality coming back like quote notifications and view counts.

 

[RedRockRun]

Let's all just go to /b/, /v/, /a/, /mlp/, /pol/, and /int/. Fuck /tv/ though.

 

[BreakfastMan]

Let's all just go to /b/, /v/, /a/, /mlp/, /pol/, and /int/. Fuck /tv/ though.

Nah, fuck that. REAL heroes go to /mu/, /x/, and /leftypol/.

 

[BrawlMan]

I'll leave with this.

 

[EvilRoy]

I know you think that not taking it seriously makes how you acted okay.

I don't think it says anything one way or the other, honestly.

Dude it says when you are un-directed you gravitate towards bullying. That's... that's kind of a lot. If you seriously don't notice it yourself you might need to talk to someone. I honestly always assumed you were doing it intentionally as part of the fun, but if not then wow dude.

Lol. Dude, you can make posts that aren't just calling me mentally unstable too, you know. Try it, you might even find it fun! XD

Man this aint me calling you mentally unstable this is me being taken aback by the things you're telling us about yourself. When someone says "sometimes I just need to count bricks in walls" you say "oh you have a little ocd". I dunno what you acting like this when nobody has your leash says about you but considering it involved two long term bullying campaigns it definitely says a LOT of something.

 

[Baffle]

Christ, I wish you'd just kept it if this was all the crying that I wasn't reading.

Never saw the place for it to be honest. Why does a website about games need a place where people can act like cocks? None of the other hobby forums I use seem to need one. Eh, maybe it says something about gamers.

 

[CaitSeith]

It has now turned into a place that some users feel that they can now get away with this behavior and consequences will not happen due to the lawlessness of the sub-forum.

Well, some people wanted it to be their own 4chan, so it's unsurprising this would eventually happen in an "everything goes" forum.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

It has now turned into a place that some users feel that they can now get away with this behavior and consequences will not happen due to the lawlessness of the sub-forum.

Well, some people wanted it to be their own 4chan, so it's unsurprising this would eventually happen in an "everything goes" forum.

I never understood it. 4chan still exists, as does YouTube comments, and a thousand other chans and memeboards. Why did the Escapist need to pretend to be a chan, and why? Its like when a gas station has chairs and tables to sit and eat in. Its not a restaurant, its a place people go to piss and get a soda during a car trip.
So to the Escapist and chans. When people need to sit and eat, go to the Escapist. When you just need to take a piss, go to a chan.

 

[RedRockRun]

Nah, fuck that. REAL heroes go to /mu/, /x/, and /leftypol/.

Well /leftypol/ is a given for you, and /x/ seems like kind of a wild card.
>/mu/
Suddenly it all makes sense to me now. Yes, I think I understand you now.

 

[Souplex]

All the people who made the place awful can go to 4Chan since that's what they wanted. I just wanted to be rid of the channers.

 

[CaitSeith]

About 20-30 people aren't going to show up in the site.

Indeed.
I know that I won't be coming back here if the WW stays gone.
I'll just get my Yahtzee fix on youtube instead.

It's so tempting to bookmark this post just for that day...

Spoiler: ...that future unavoidable day...

...when suddenly someone shows here again!

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Christ, I wish you'd just kept it if this was all the crying that I wasn't reading.

Never saw the place for it to be honest. Why does a website about games need a place where people can act like cocks? None of the other hobby forums I use seem to need one. Eh, maybe it says something about gamers.

Kinda sad when you think about it.

never understood it. 4chan still exists, as does YouTube comments, and a thousand other chans and memeboards. Why did the Escapist need to pretend to be a chan, and why? Its like when a gas station has chairs and tables to sit and eat in. Its not a restaurant, its a place people go to piss and get a soda during a car trip.
So to the Escapist and chans. When people need to sit and eat, go to the Escapist. When you just need to take a piss, go to a chan.

I believe I essentially said as much when WW was first created only not in so many words. If people want to shitpost isn't that what 4chan is for? 4chan or 8chan or whatever-chan?

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

All the people who made the place awful can go to 4Chan since that's what they wanted. I just wanted to be rid of the channers.

I never wanted them to leave the site, I just dont think the escapist needs to be a catch all site for everyone all the time.

Like I want to buy a new pair of sneakers, should the escapist have a shoes store subforum?
No, we have Amazon and the mall.

So to with chan memes and image board culture.

 

[Johnlives]

This is unacceptable! You had no right to do that on your own! This isn't the mod's site any more than it is anybody else's, the mods just ended up being the one's who were handed the keys when Defy stopped caring. The vote was in favour of keeping the WW open, there should have been community discussion and a revote before any action was taken! You just couldn't stand having a section of the site where you couldn't enforce your powers, just like you couldn't stand not being able to punish Epyc Wynn.

Edit: Also so much for that "April Fools" joke. Each part of it is coming true. First the site gets fixed, and now the WW is canned. I guess we can start expecting the draconian moderation next.

Hello all.

As some of you may have noticed, the Wild West sub-forum is no longer accessible. This is not a glitch, nothing Defy did, but something that we, as a moderation team, have decided to do, and this was something that was not done lightly nor without group consideration and discussion.

Yeah, yeah, we saw what "group consideration and discussion" looked like when Epyc Wynn's Pub Club was removed. It was a joke. Completely unprofessional with only a cursory amount of discussion. Not anything like the line we were fed at the time about how the decision was "not taken lightly" and the vote was "unanimous". I don't buy that this discussion was any more professional than the last.

At the very least make the WW visible, but disallow posts in it so that we can still view the old threads for posterity. There were A LOT of fun threads there, and I don't remember what they all were and you gave us no warning before you decided to shut the west down on a whim!

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In the end, WW ended up being a place that wasn't fun

In your opinion. Some users did have fun.

I know I hardly went in there since it's the kind of place that doesn't interest me

So you never found it fun. How can you judge that it suddenly isn't?

and it was turning into a place where people felt they could get away with being assholes and go after users.

That's the point of a no rules space, they can do that if they want.

I went along with the users that wanted WW around since it was their call and not mine.

And now it is your (and associates) call?

 

[BreakfastMan]

/x/ seems like kind of a wild card.

I don't really talk about it on here that much, but yeah, I have a STRONG interest in all things paranormal/supernatural. X-Files and Coast to Coast AM had a pretty big impact on me when I first encountered them.