In Regards to Wild West

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Wasn't this decision enacted against SJWs? For the benefit of a conservative? The SJWs doing the hate Speech? I'm personally for hate speech laws ONLY if it applies to everyone. Anyone calling others Nazis or Racists included. It's seems to me like the mods benefited conversatives so they can be protected.

That's not how hate speech laws work. Hate speech laws about vilification and incitement of public violence towards traditional targets of hatred for reasons they have no right or capacity to surrender and all liberty to be recognized as such. If Nazis rose up again, why wouldn't we pay people to shoot them all over again? People can stop being Nazis and that is well within their purview that people should stop being Nazis. They can't stop being LGBTQ, or Asian, or no real reason to surrender being Buddhist.

What there is a problem with is when liberty becomes coercive. Which Nazis certainly seem to promote as the 'answer' for a lot of people is the state basically murdering LGBTQ people because ... moral hygiene? I have no hesitation shooting people if necessary for trying to incite violence towards free willed, innocent beings. Same way I have no problems with police apprehending terrorists screaming they have a bomb and they plan to use it because Australia is full of 'degenerates' or whatever Nazi rhetoric they wish to use against Jews, LGBTQ people or Catholics.

I also have no problems with a state making a written guarantee that the rights of all people to exist, and the principle human right of one's life is sacrosanct wherever possible, and enforcing that as humans we are no more or less than the values we uphold to all regardless of preconceptions of deviation ... and that the only elevation man has over beast is those of recognizing our collective sapience and humanity.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

 

[Marik2]

Can we have it back if we promise not to make death threats again? I'd be happy to have it back if that's what it takes.

And let people post piracy stuff.

 

[PointlessKnowledge]

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

You had a callout thread in our hearts.

Happy now?

 

[Marik2]

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

I was about to make a call out thread against Defy, but they decided to close the wild west.

 

[IceForce]

This is funny, because when Wynn got his WW access removed we were promised no-one else would lose access. Now everyone has.

 

[SupahEwok]

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

Who're you, again?

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Can we have it back if we promise not to make death threats again? I'd be happy to have it back if that's what it takes.

And let people post piracy stuff.

You could just go to any random Chan forum and post death threats against random users, and as many links to the PiratesBay as you see fit!
Or maybe you mean gifs of Jack Sparrow - I was never really keeping up with WW culture, so maybe there's an entire forum thread of Jack Sparrow gifs that was just lulz for realz dank.

 

[Drathnoxis]

This is unacceptable! You had no right to do that on your own! This isn't the mod's site any more than it is anybody else's, the mods just ended up being the one's who were handed the keys when Defy stopped caring. The vote was in favour of keeping the WW open, there should have been community discussion and a revote before any action was taken! You just couldn't stand having a section of the site where you couldn't enforce your powers, just like you couldn't stand not being able to punish Epyc Wynn.

Edit: Also so much for that "April Fools" joke. Each part of it is coming true. First the site gets fixed, and now the WW is canned. I guess we can start expecting the draconian moderation next.

Hello all.

As some of you may have noticed, the Wild West sub-forum is no longer accessible. This is not a glitch, nothing Defy did, but something that we, as a moderation team, have decided to do, and this was something that was not done lightly nor without group consideration and discussion.

Yeah, yeah, we saw what "group consideration and discussion" looked like when Epyc Wynn's Pub Club was removed. It was a joke. Completely unprofessional with only a cursory amount of discussion. Not anything like the line we were fed at the time about how the decision was "not taken lightly" and the vote was "unanimous". I don't buy that this discussion was any more professional than the last.

At the very least make the WW visible, but disallow posts in it so that we can still view the old threads for posterity. There were A LOT of fun threads there, and I don't remember what they all were and you gave us no warning before you decided to shut the west down on a whim!

Dude, you are taking this whole thing way too seriously.

Says one of the guys who got the WW shut down because they couldn't stop being a jerk and bullying people!

Indeed.
I know that I won't be coming back here if the WW stays gone.
I'll just get my Yahtzee fix on youtube instead.

Don't do that. As ticked as I am, and am pretty tempted to do the same, I'll miss everybody if they leave over this.

First my stall closes last week, then the place I spent most of my time whilst working at my stall closes?

Coincidence? I think NOT!

Your stall closed? Like, as in "out of business"? :/

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

You had a callout thread in our hearts.

Happy now?

That helps, thank you.

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

I was about to make a call out thread against Defy, but they decided to close the wild west.

Don't say anything bad about Defy, fam. They likely read your mind.

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

Who're you, again?

They guy who you schooled on the Metric system.

This is funny, because when Wynn got his WW access removed we were promised no-one else would lose access. Now everyone has.

Top 10 Anime Plot Twists

 

[SupahEwok]

Awwww, man. I never got a callout thread made against me. And I tried so hard.

Thanks, Obama.

Who're you, again?

They guy who you schooled on the Metric system.

No, pretty sure I remember that guy having a dashing, debonair avatar and spirit.

 

[BreakfastMan]

Dude, you are taking this whole thing way too seriously.

Says one of the guys who got the WW shut down because they couldn't stop being a jerk and bullying people!

Whatever you may think of me, I can say that I never really took posting in there seriously enough to keep a list recording people's opinions for use in a possible future witch-hunt, my dude. Or even very seriously at all, in fact.

 

[Marik2]

Can we have it back if we promise not to make death threats again? I'd be happy to have it back if that's what it takes.

And let people post piracy stuff.

You could just go to any random Chan forum and post death threats against random users, and as many links to the PiratesBay as you see fit!
Or maybe you mean gifs of Jack Sparrow - I was never really keeping up with WW culture, so maybe there's an entire forum thread of Jack Sparrow gifs that was just lulz for realz dank.

Oh hey, I didn't recognized you without your pony avatar.

 

[SupahEwok]

Dude, you are taking this whole thing way too seriously.

Says one of the guys who got the WW shut down because they couldn't stop being a jerk and bullying people!

Whatever you may think of me, I can say that I never really took posting in there seriously enough to keep a list recording people's opinions for use in a possible future witch-hunt, my dude. Or even very seriously at all, in fact.

I know you think that not taking it seriously makes how you acted okay. That by not showing emotion and making other people upset, you proved yourself superior and your views correct. But in reality, it actually makes you a bigger jerk. The fact that you bully people and don't even care about what you are doing is worse than if you were actually emotionally invested.

Cool it, Drath. This isn't the WW anymore. And it's not worth getting dinged for.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Can we have it back if we promise not to make death threats again? I'd be happy to have it back if that's what it takes.

And let people post piracy stuff.

You could just go to any random Chan forum and post death threats against random users, and as many links to the PiratesBay as you see fit!
Or maybe you mean gifs of Jack Sparrow - I was never really keeping up with WW culture, so maybe there's an entire forum thread of Jack Sparrow gifs that was just lulz for realz dank.

Oh hey, I didn't recognized you without your pony avatar.

After I got the premium membership and access to a larger avatar I decided it was time for a change.
It's from Freakazoid!

 

[BreakfastMan]

I know you think that not taking it seriously makes how you acted okay.

I don't think it says anything one way or the other, honestly.

 

[Drathnoxis]

Cool it, Drath.

I want to post a picture from Death Road to Canada in response to this, but I can't find one that works

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

This is unacceptable! You had no right to do that on your own! This isn't the mod's site any more than it is anybody else's, the mods just ended up being the one's who were handed the keys when Defy stopped caring. The vote was in favour of keeping the WW open, there should have been community discussion and a revote before any action was taken! You just couldn't stand having a section of the site where you couldn't enforce your powers, just like you couldn't stand not being able to punish Epyc Wynn.

Edit: Also so much for that "April Fools" joke. Each part of it is coming true. First the site gets fixed, and now the WW is canned. I guess we can start expecting the draconian moderation next.

Hello all.

As some of you may have noticed, the Wild West sub-forum is no longer accessible. This is not a glitch, nothing Defy did, but something that we, as a moderation team, have decided to do, and this was something that was not done lightly nor without group consideration and discussion.

Yeah, yeah, we saw what "group consideration and discussion" looked like when Epyc Wynn's Pub Club was removed. It was a joke. Completely unprofessional with only a cursory amount of discussion. Not anything like the line we were fed at the time about how the decision was "not taken lightly" and the vote was "unanimous". I don't buy that this discussion was any more professional than the last.

At the very least make the WW visible, but disallow posts in it so that we can still view the old threads for posterity. There were A LOT of fun threads there, and I don't remember what they all were and you gave us no warning before you decided to shut the west down on a whim!

Whether or not you believe any of that is really up to you, and I really have no reason to lie. We've had discussions before in the past about WW, and we did listen to the community and left WW well alone. I know I hardly went in there since it's the kind of place that doesn't interest me, and, as a mod, I can't do anything about it. So, no, it wasn't on a whim. We didn't collectively decide that WW was going to be shut down one day.

While it's true that I've made my opinion of WW known, and it is known, I went along with the users that wanted WW around since it was their call and not mine. In the end, WW ended up being a place that wasn't fun and it was turning into a place where people felt they could get away with being assholes and go after users. Sure, you and I may not like some users but that doesn't excuse the behavior that went on in there, fun threads or not.

So, no. The WW will not be readily open to just view, unless the CM says any different.

This isn't a power trip, this isn't an effort to control the site, nor is it some grand conspiracy to meddle in the affairs of user just for giggles or whatever. And, again, whether or not you choose to believe myself or any other mod is really your choice to make.

 

[TheVampwizimp_v1legacy]

Lame. I get that WW was a toxic wasteland of bubbling idiocy and indignation, but god damn it was fun. Sometimes. I sure liked checking it out to see what stupid shit people were saying that day, at least.

I can't really complain, I understand why this decision was made. But I probably will be posting even less than usual now, which is a shame.

 

[Trunkage]

I know you think that not taking it seriously makes how you acted okay. That by not showing emotion and making other people upset, you proved yourself superior and your views correct. But in reality, it actually makes you a bigger jerk. The fact that you bully people and don't even care about what you are doing is worse than if you were actually emotionally invested

What do you actually think Free Speech means? I'm not just talking to you Drath. It doesn't create conversation. It doesn't cause this Utpoian feel good sanctuary people keep making it out as. As I said when we had a WW vote a while ago, none of it has changed a single person mind. In fact, it's probably calcified it. Calling out people for their bad behaviour doesn't fix the behaviour. It usually makes it worse. Also, where was this outcry when Saleune gets slammed or Zontar previously? They've been bullied for a long time, and I'd say even worse than this.

I'm usually a Free Speecher but when it just leads to insult, I find it pointless.