In what movies did you WANT the bad guys to win?

[end_boss]

Not a movie, but there was one time in Batman: The Animated Series when I clearly wanted Batman to keep his nose out of things. It is the classic (and somewhat famous) episode with Mr. Freeze, in which Mr. Freeze was clearly not the most evil character of the episode. He was about to get revenge on the guy that was responsible for the death of Freeze's wife, and when Batman thwarts him, it's a real "YOU SONOFABITCH!" moment.

Oh, dude, seriously that Batman can be a real dick. In the second showing of Clayface he practically stopped the machine seconds before it was going to make that monster into a whole person again, if not literally then figuratively. Then Clayface goes on a rampage and basically kills himself in the process of getting revenge.

Sure, Bruce Wayne may have intended to fix the guy anyway and make it seem like a charitable event, but why stop it in the middle and give them the wrong impression? He did that way too often.

Yeah, the animated movie, Mask of the Phantasm makes you cheer for the bad guy, too. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love that movie, and if you haven't seen it, then do so right now before reading any further. But what happens is:

Spoiler

The "bad guy" turns out to be his old flame, who is going around killing the local mobsters out of revenge for killing her father. Not only are they mobsters, but The Joker was one of them, and would probably have also been killed, probably ushering in an era of far less killings and crimes in Gotham as a result. But instead, Batman tries to thwart her plans by talking her out of it, looking her right in the eyes and pleading: "What will vengeance solve?!" Smooth, Batman. Smooth.

 

[Eumersian]

Definitely the original Cats & Dogs movie. I am a cat person, and have had more then one negative experience with dogs in the past. Wow, that movie was forever ago. But I wanted the cats to win.

 

[Tdc2182]

Taken. The hero was a dick and the damsel in distress was an idiot.

So you support kidnapping, rape and forced prostitution?
Also it was Liam Neeson! you have no argument.

Exactly.

Liam Neeson is the only defense any film needs.

Similar reasons for Clash Of The Titans


You see, the movie is over at this point.

Logic simply won't allow the good guys to win after that.

And Avatar I guess. The blue people were assholes and close minded. They got to keep the Tentacle tree.

 

[Kraiiit]

The Dark Knight.

 

[Brawndo]

Any movie where the bad guys are walking cliches and have poorly developed motives behind their evil... so basically every action movie ever.

I also have a lot of sympathy for "mooks", the faceless goons that get mowed down by the hero en masse. Why? Because I have no delusions of grandeur about myself - if Star Wars came to town, I would not be Luke or Han or even Darth Vader; I would be a fucking stormtrooper.

 

[Soviet Steve]

Avatar - Not because I think the humans are cooler, but because the characterization of the humans as evil was so forced and obvious that I could see the strings attached to everyone. James may as well have added the commentary "OH MY GOD, THAT'S SO EVIL, DO YOU SEE HOW EVIL THESE PEOPLE ARE? JEEZ" after the moustache twirling sergeant ate a baby seal, then laughed manically as the angle shifted to outside his doom fortress with lightning striking the roof.

For some reason "baby seal" makes me think of an infant special forces lad now.

 

[ThreeWords]

Upon reading this, I agree. I would have preferred if he didn't die though. It's pretty awesome that he just goes around fucking everything up, laughing in peoples faces as they die and then actually knows he is doing something wrong, and he doesn't want the public to love him and recognize him as their leader. He wants the public to fear him and recognize him as their god, that is just a total bad ass, awesome bad guy and perfect best friend right there.

The problem is narrative causality [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheoryOfNarrativeCausality]. I'f you go around being massively evil and glorying in it, someone will come along and fuck you up. There's nothing you can do about it.

 

[goldenheart323]

Titan AE

or at least tell the audience why the (I forget what they're called) are trying to exterminate humanity

It was explained in the beginning narration. Every so often, man makes a discovery that massively advances us: fire, electricity, the power of the atom, and now man had just discovered something else that would massively advance us. The bad guys were the most powerful race in the galaxy. They knew we made that discovery, & it would advance humans so much the bad guys would become 2nd rate. They were exterminating humans before we could become the superpower of the galaxy. What exactly was discovered wasn't revealed until the end of the movie. It turns out, man figured out how to form entire planets & seed them with life via a process that happens in less than a year.

 

[luke10123]

Twilight (duh) and the Chronicles of Narnia (those children are SOO annoying!)

 

[Jezzascmezza]

Die hard. They seemed to be on top of everything for almost the enitre movie, matching mclaine's moves but they screw up at the end.

Are you kidding?
Those Russians were complete ass-holes.

 

[Farson89]

2. Disney's Hercules: Hades was the only sympathetic character. He's constantly tormented by his entire family and wants to get back at them for years of torture and being forced to live in the underworld. Whereas the "hero's" main goal is to become famous

YES.

It's worth noting that Hades keeps his word regarding every deal he makes, no backstabbing. Yet when he and Herc make a deal at the end who screws over the other? Hercules was a shitty hero.

 

[[.redacted]]

Twilight. Obviously.

You raise a good point, you don't have to like the bad guys, you just have to hate the good guys more.

Oh... Where to begin?

 

[Michael Logan]

Most of the old disney movie villians, like Jafar and Scar.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

- Inception
Oh wait, they did.

Tom Hardy was a bad guy!?! Once I think I've got my head round the film ]

Spider-Man 3, they had all the rights to win, just a shame good trumphs evil...

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

Taken. The hero was a dick and the damsel in distress was an idiot.

So you would support the acts of forced addiction of drugs on women so they become prostitutes?

 

[ntw3001]

The Hulk. I forget the name of the particular one, but the earlier one. The really bad one. With the five-minute montage of military vehicles driving across the desert.

Heroine: 'Daddy I demand that you release this man for freedom!

Villain: 'I'm afraid I can't release him because he won't stop knocking down buildings and crushing cars, and if he should manage to find his way to any city besides the nearby economically-vibrant-yet-completely-deserted-metropolis he will kill thousands'

Heroine: 'But on the two occasions I've met him he seemed pretty okay, I'm inclined to go with my gut on this one'

Villain: 'What? That's stupid'

The moral of the story is, apparently, that it's okay to endanger the public on a grand scale, but definitely only if you really want to. Also, it has to be for freedom.