Inside the Sick Mind of a School Shooter Mod

[Vrach]

Don't see why anyone should give a toss. It's not even a game, it's a mod. Even past that, if you've got a problem with it, don't play it, simple as that, anti-gaming activists can have all the ammo they want, the only way games get threatened as a whole by something like this is if you have a retarded government. And I'm not one to point at a scapegoat, even when it's not a particularly pretty one, when the guy to blame is sitting there kissing babies.

I would say though, that developer is a complete moron. Not for making the game or anything related, but a couple of his answers really shine a light on a low IQ score. Well, either that or he be trolling. Not ruling that out tbh.

 

[HotKakes]

It's sad to say that before reading this article, I gave the interviewee the benefit of the doubt for creating this work. After reading through his comments however, I must agree that I don't like the goals he has set in mind. Like him, I was not really attached to the tragedy of Columbine in spirit but I did have to witness the changed perspective of fear from adults. I was a lone teenager and though people ticked me off sometimes, I was never in the mind set to harm people. Back to the topic, I thought "school shooting game" has as much weight as "tsunami massacre game" or "swine flu outbreak game". Though they are considered public tragedies, it's hard for me to tell any form of medium not to portray it. Still, even though this is being created, I really don't see many people playing it except out of morbid curiosity. Obviously, it's arising at a terrible time when the games industry is having a difficult enough time trying to keep rabid fear mongers at bay. Let's just hope it turns out like Rapelay, a terrible game in principle but honestly no gamers really want to play it.

 

[Shiftysnowdog]

I don't have the time or the resources to write a book about how all of you knee-jerk "reactionists" are wrong. Don't like it? Don't play it, don't even talk about it. But for god sakes don't flaunt around with a pretend PHD and become internet psychiatrists spouting such tripe as "this guys sick" or "hes stupid" because the simple fact is YOU are wrong. If you can't play this game without shooting up a school, YOU are sick. The man is not incapable of seeing the other side of the argument YOU all are.

*KZ3 Spoiler*
I just nuked an entire planet in killzone 3. Slaughtering millions of women and children. Did I hear so much as a whelp from anyone on this board?
*end spoiler

In Dantes Inferno, I cleaved unbaptized babies in half.

In MW2 I gunned down hundreds of unarmed civilians

In GTAIV I could run down more people in 5 minutes than people live in my town. I could also beat someone to death in the middle of the street with a baseball bat or take their head off from 500+ feet away with a sniper rifle.

Bullet storm, I don't even need to say it.

To be released uke Nukem Forever

If you're objecting to this video game but had no conflicts playing any of the games i mentioned, guess what? You're a giant fucking hypocrite. I could literally sit here for an entire day and write down a list of all the games that are morally reprehensible.

My guess would be you all have differing opinions on where to draw the line.

When can i kill someone in a *EMPHASIS* VIDEO GAME *EMPHASIS* that's unarmed? When they're 10? 12? 15? 18?


Is it wrong to shoot up a school? Yes!
Is it wrong to pretend to? Gray area, and it's as simple as that. Some people will say its ok, many will say it is not. Let your wallets do the talking and not the verbal diarrhea that you all let fly here.

 

[twiceworn]

The worst thing about this is not the mod its the fact that he said he HOPES THE GAME LAW WILL PASS, giving you a pretty good idea why he is doing this not to mention the fact that he thinks this:
The media is right to dismiss games as "bang-bang shoot 'em ups" and "murder simulators," because at their core, that is exactly what most games boil down to

this guy is the worst thing that has hapened to the game indudtry since the fable franchise and he is clearly one of the worst people who has ever lived if only becuse he clearly doesn't respect games OR gamers and is doingf this as a middle finger to everyone and not becuse he thinks its a good idea!!

(if it wasnt for the terible impact this will have on gaming as a whole and the fact that this guy is a CLASS 1 Ahole I i may have enjoyed this game)

 

[Joshic Shin]

I wonder what they'll come up with next. Maybe an M rated, graphic baby-raping Pedophile simulator. It isn't about giving Pedophiles a means of practice for real life horrors, it's all for fun and points! Why not? We haven't done it yet. And it's not like real life victims will matter; they just will never understand that a game is a game.

That comes under owning child porn, and would be classified as illegal. This isn't illegal.

Not if I made them CGI render. That's artistic license and protected. Just ask anyone who has lolicon art. Would you like to counter his argument again or are you going to just give him the green light on his arcade style baby raping game?

Lolicon is actually illegal in America. My point stands.

I do believe, good sir, that you are mistaken on this one. Current situation is:

The law enacted 18 U.S.C. § 1466A, which criminalizes material that has "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting", that "depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is "obscene" or "depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in ... sexual intercourse ... and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value".

And that is my counter argument. Because so long as you have some sort of literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for the game to exist it can. What more, the Supreme Court has struck down child pornography laws that were drawings. So, your point does NOT stand so long as he can make an argument that his game is of some artistic merit. Also, no worries, we'll just release it for free. So, again, what is your rebuttal to this or do you once again side with free speech and free expression even with something you disagree with? Or will you agree that some things should probably not be made that are obviously offensive and serve no artistic purpose other than to offend?

 

[jmarquiso]

I wouldn't have a problem with this if I didn't know that this will bite the whole industry in the ass, sooner or later.

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I'm not a fan myself, but, honestly how would one lone modder bite the whole industry in the ass?

It's a downloadable game that requires a mature rated game to play (Orange Box or Half-Life 2). It will end up like RapeLay - we'd all know about it, and it'll remain legendary for those few that have actually played it.

 

[Mykonos]

Way to make school shooting game during a critical "games being looked at by important (the government) people" time.

It's like when they killed Captain America during wartime.

Way to fucking go.

I don't care about your views or your opinions. Offensive or not, this was just plain "bad timing" and your an idiot for doing so guy.

 

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

This guy sounds like an angsty teen that only made the game because "FUCK THE SYSTEM, MAN!"
Probably lives dead smack in the middle of suburbia, as well. The guy has absolutely no idea what the concept of death even means.

 

[DocBalance]

Why would any sane person make a game that so clearly crossed the line from healthy entertainment into psychosis?

...Really? I'm sorry, this is the same website that just last week had as an highlight the positive review of Bulletstorm, a game that not only allows but extensively REWARDS the most psychotic and deranged behaviour you can possibly think of? A game that shows absolutely no traces of what's socially accepted as humanity or humane behaviour, and in fact downplays said traits in favour of encouraging channelling your creativity towards the most socially maladjusted attitudes you can conceive?

This is sounding like the whole "No Russian" controversy all over again. Hell, it's not even something "never done before". The Postal series allowed you to do that and much, much more, like using cats as living silencers, or getting creative with the physics engine and dismemberment. As mentioned in the article, this very kind of behaviour was one of the main attractions of the GTA series, ostensively one of the most accomplished, awarded, and successful gaming series ever released?

Games aren't always about being deep. Sometimes it's just about fun, and whether we like to admit it or not, death and destruction are cathartic. It's an evolutionary trait. We like killing, we like destroying.

That's all this game is about. The devs never claimed it was anything else.

You did not. You did NOT just compare Bulletstorm to this. Bulletstorm is against armed opponents who all want to kill you. Is it sadistic, childish, and a poor reflection on the industry as a whole? Yes. Is it anywhere as near as bad as this? Fuck. NO.

This is a game devoted solely to killing unarmed, innocents who are, for all intents and purposes, children. There is nothing funny, creative, or silly. It doesn't treat death as an exaggerated caricature. It wallows in the horrors of death and turns psychosis into an amusement. This kind of game does not help disturbed teenagers blow of steam and stop shootings, it tells them that what they are thinking about doing is funny and right.

I'm as big a defender of games as you will find, and I find this appalling. I don't give two shits if GTA did it first, it wasn't much better then. But this: A whole game designed around nothing but killing innocents for no reason? That's sick, and the person who made it is sick in the head.

 

[Mykonos]

This guy sounds like an angsty teen that only made the game because "FUCK THE SYSTEM, MAN!"
Probably lives dead smack in the middle of suburbia, as well. The guy has absolutely no idea what the concept of death even means.

Agreed. Wake up Mr. modder, get some decency for crying out loud.

 

[ekkaman]

Oh joy the world is in safe hands with guys like this. When is it too late to abort?

 

[Dogstile]

I wonder what they'll come up with next. Maybe an M rated, graphic baby-raping Pedophile simulator. It isn't about giving Pedophiles a means of practice for real life horrors, it's all for fun and points! Why not? We haven't done it yet. And it's not like real life victims will matter; they just will never understand that a game is a game.

That comes under owning child porn, and would be classified as illegal. This isn't illegal.

Not if I made them CGI render. That's artistic license and protected. Just ask anyone who has lolicon art. Would you like to counter his argument again or are you going to just give him the green light on his arcade style baby raping game?

Lolicon is actually illegal in America. My point stands.

I do believe, good sir, that you are mistaken on this one. Current situation is:

The law enacted 18 U.S.C. § 1466A, which criminalizes material that has "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting", that "depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is "obscene" or "depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in ... sexual intercourse ... and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value".

And that is my counter argument. Because so long as you have some sort of literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for the game to exist it can. What more, the Supreme Court has struck down child pornography laws that were drawings. So, your point does NOT stand so long as he can make an argument that his game is of some artistic merit. Also, no worries, we'll just release it for free. So, again, what is your rebuttal to this or do you once again side with free speech and free expression even with something you disagree with? Or will you agree that some things should probably not be made that are obviously offensive and serve no artistic purpose other than to offend?

Free speech and free expression doesn't mean I can use it as it suits me, it means free speech, fairly, to everyone.

So yeah, so long as it isn't actually illegal, its fine. Some people like to murder people in games, some people like loli. Its not like they're actually going out and doing it is it?

 

[inkblood]

Splendid! Good to see some people actually trying to push the limits of what can be shown and what can be seen. Take it as an horror if you will. Risks are what this art form needs if it wishes to be taken seriously.

On serious note. There are better mods that dont just look like Garry's Mod.

but he is not trying to be artistic. he clearly states that he wanted to make it for the sake of fun and not needing to be deep or thought provoking. he doesn't claim it to be art

on a side note he has the right to make the mod, but really what the hell. and calling us misguided and highly reactionary hey there have been many of us who simply tried to defend videogames and even tried to be inviting. example there was a group who sent flowers to jack thompson and simply ask to be civil towards each other. he threw them away not caring one bit.

 

[Spy_Guy]

Meh, bad game. Why do we care?
Low-quality thingy mainly for attention value. Map of dubious quality noded for NPCs, spawners put in.
Waste of time.

Why did I bother posting this?

 

[Gralian]

I watched a trailer for the mod on one of those half life 2 mod websites. I didn't see any children. I saw a guy jumping around a big hallway with tables and chairs shooting at a lot of half life 2 adult civilian NPCs, then shooting metro cops when they turned up, then the overwatch soldiers, then eventually he ran out of health and died. I didn't see any children. It just looks like a survival arena with a name designed to provoke reactionaries. OMG IT HAS SCHOOL SHOOTER AS A TITLE!!1

Unless they have since put children and teacher models into the game and made it larger than a single non-descript room i don't see what the big deal is. It looks like checkerboard studios are just looking for their controversial 15 minutes of fame and nothing more. Yawn, chuckle and move on.

Personally i wouldn't get offended even if there was a "serial killer simulator" out there, but then i never really find anything to be in "bad taste". I'm the kind of guy who laughs at the ridiculously vile jokes in Splatterhouse, finds stupidly over the top gore amusing and will make jokes about virtually anything. Though i can accept the point this sort of thing shouldn't be made to give ammunition to the anti-games people, you could argue it's another 'six days in fallujah' case. People can say "It's just a game" but where do you draw a line? Should there even be a line to be drawn? If you draw the line here, will people try to bring the line a bit further in and burst in uproar over the next violent / sexual / controversial thing?

 

[Stuntcrab]

Wow, I can't Believe this. For one its going to make gaming look even more bad. A mindless killing spree game of innocent children, That doesn't sound fun.

 

[George Page]

The developer proudly says it's just a game, and possibly a teaching tool, simply because the deranged games before it "sucked". But you know what this game is almost exactly like...

...a game where you play a Nazi guard at a concentration camp--

--where you get points for killing the innocents who cannot fight back. Please, Mr. Developer, tell me where your game differs from that--other than cosmetically or in gameplay of course.

Or did I just give you the idea for your next piece of worthlessness to produce?

Other than the subject matter, or glorifying the shooter in this game--or at the very least giving him a pat on the back for a high score--a big issue I have with this game is the developers chose to make the victims helpless. If they truly wanted this game to dissuade a potential shooter, then more realism, not less, should have been included.

In fact, I would go so far as to say I would remove my objections to this game if there was an option to play as one of the "innocents", with bonus points for people still alive after the shooters have been put down. (Yes, put down like rabid dogs before they can hurt more people).

Those victims, poor souls, and impromptu heros are the ones that need to star in a video game, not the sick, pathetic, losers with terrible coping skills who choose to take their angst out on people far, far worthier than they.

Or maybe that's the real issue here. Instead of killing your fellow classmates, did you just create this game instead? Do you feel unappreciated and belittled? I'm sure there are very good reasons people treat you like that--and have nothing to do with the game.

And Mr. Developer, you say you truly have no feelings for other people's tribulations, simply because you don't know them. Well in your case, I agree with you completely. If fact, let's do a test:
Reveal your real name and where your "company" is based...

Then we'll see just how much I care about what happens to you.

 

[robert022614]

Personally I think its sounds sort of..meh. I completely agree that this game is going to be offensive to a lot of people, but I also agree that he has every right to make this game. It seems like it could do some damage to gamers fighting for the rights of video games. In the same way we as gamers cant just say that we would ban this game for being ridiculously provocative and stupid either. There will always be horrible games and there will always be good ones. In the end it just comes down to buy and play what you like and keep an eye on your kids!!! In the end the devs of this game just want their 15 minutes of fame for the shock value and will probably fade into obscurity soon anyway.

 

[Natdaprat]

This is almost as bad as if someone made a game in which you played as Germany in WW2.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

i greatly understand the appeal of this game, especially towards those who have no way to safely output their rage when they are tormented and isolated in school.

it may be wrong, but it's still free speech