Internet Explodes Over Origin's Invasion of Privacy

[Iron Criterion]

Double post.

 

[Saulkar]

Snip

Agreed, recently I tried signing up for WOW for the free level twenty thing but knowing Activision was behind the scenes I decided to read the TOS agreement. I encountered words I had never heard before or words used in ways that seemed overtly grammatically incorrected. In the end after consulting a Thesaurus and checking Microsoft Office Word to see if anything I was reading was written correctly, I still had absolutely no idea what the TOS agreement was trying to get across.

Being a long-time WoW player, I will say that the EULA for it has some rather worrying clauses contained within. One of the bullet points they inform people of, for instance, is that Blizzard retains the right to delete any player's account at any time with or without informing them and with or without reason.

Now, granted, I don't feel Blizzard is a company who would actually abuse said power, but that is a clause contained right inside of the ToS/EULA they have people agree to with every new patch of the game.

I can honestly say that was one of the only things I gleamed from the EULA.

Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications? Would you follow a stranger alone in the woods because he promised you a puppy? No you wouldn't.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I never said I did. Since I never said I did how could I did?

EDIT: Additionally I have been playing videogames since I was three and only twice in that entire time did I ever read a EULA that I actually understood.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. So you are saying that this thing can see what websites and what files I have on my PC and can read all my documents? Does Valve do this?

Valve doesn't. Bookface does to a degree. That's why the "Like" button was banned in Germany. Bookface reads your information EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T give it permission.

Can you link me to something that gives more detail? I really need a reason to delete facebook once and for all.

OT: Honestly not surprised in the slightest. EA has a track record of forcing people to install spyware with games like BF2142 and Spore. Just one more reason to never get Origin...

 

[pwnzerstick]

This seems like the kind of thing that they really didn't expect people to see. Oh well, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull this from the service now that it is discovered.

 

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

Well, this makes it an easy decision to never touch Origin. Thanks for the find guys!

 

[josemlopes]

I will laugh if BF3 becomes one of the most pirated games of the year and then EA blames DICE.

Almost all publishers are assholes that only think about the money, they dont even make the games but still get a lot of the profit.

 

[Iron Criterion]

Snip

Agreed, recently I tried signing up for WOW for the free level twenty thing but knowing Activision was behind the scenes I decided to read the TOS agreement. I encountered words I had never heard before or words used in ways that seemed overtly grammatically incorrected. In the end after consulting a Thesaurus and checking Microsoft Office Word to see if anything I was reading was written correctly, I still had absolutely no idea what the TOS agreement was trying to get across.

Being a long-time WoW player, I will say that the EULA for it has some rather worrying clauses contained within. One of the bullet points they inform people of, for instance, is that Blizzard retains the right to delete any player's account at any time with or without informing them and with or without reason.

Now, granted, I don't feel Blizzard is a company who would actually abuse said power, but that is a clause contained right inside of the ToS/EULA they have people agree to with every new patch of the game.

I can honestly say that was one of the only things I gleamed from the EULA.

Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications? Would you follow a stranger alone in the woods because he promised you a puppy? No you wouldn't.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I never said I did. Since I never said I did how could I did?

My god how old are you? And I never actually said you agreed to it but the point that you were making earlier was that legal terms trick people in signing up to something that they didn't agree with.

 

[Saulkar]

Snip

Agreed, recently I tried signing up for WOW for the free level twenty thing but knowing Activision was behind the scenes I decided to read the TOS agreement. I encountered words I had never heard before or words used in ways that seemed overtly grammatically incorrected. In the end after consulting a Thesaurus and checking Microsoft Office Word to see if anything I was reading was written correctly, I still had absolutely no idea what the TOS agreement was trying to get across.

Being a long-time WoW player, I will say that the EULA for it has some rather worrying clauses contained within. One of the bullet points they inform people of, for instance, is that Blizzard retains the right to delete any player's account at any time with or without informing them and with or without reason.

Now, granted, I don't feel Blizzard is a company who would actually abuse said power, but that is a clause contained right inside of the ToS/EULA they have people agree to with every new patch of the game.

I can honestly say that was one of the only things I gleamed from the EULA.

Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications? Would you follow a stranger alone in the woods because he promised you a puppy? No you wouldn't.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I never said I did. Since I never said I did how could I did?

My god how old are you? And I never actually said you agreed to it but the point that you were making earlier was that legal terms trick people in signing up to something that they didn't agree with.

Why does my age affect how old I have to be to make a grammatical joke? (Since I never said I did how could I did) Seriously. Quote: Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications :End Quote Yes you did tell me I agreed to it or you did not word your statement properly.

Are they trying to trick us? In most cases no? Where the fuck did I mention that they were trying to trick us? I am dead serious. Tell me so I can reiterate. In the end the point being that TOS/EULAs are written in a way that makes them excruciating to read and in the end few without a formal legal education actually understand what they read.

 

[Iron Criterion]

Snip

Agreed, recently I tried signing up for WOW for the free level twenty thing but knowing Activision was behind the scenes I decided to read the TOS agreement. I encountered words I had never heard before or words used in ways that seemed overtly grammatically incorrected. In the end after consulting a Thesaurus and checking Microsoft Office Word to see if anything I was reading was written correctly, I still had absolutely no idea what the TOS agreement was trying to get across.

Being a long-time WoW player, I will say that the EULA for it has some rather worrying clauses contained within. One of the bullet points they inform people of, for instance, is that Blizzard retains the right to delete any player's account at any time with or without informing them and with or without reason.

Now, granted, I don't feel Blizzard is a company who would actually abuse said power, but that is a clause contained right inside of the ToS/EULA they have people agree to with every new patch of the game.

I can honestly say that was one of the only things I gleamed from the EULA.

Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications? Would you follow a stranger alone in the woods because he promised you a puppy? No you wouldn't.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I never said I did. Since I never said I did how could I did?

My god how old are you? And I never actually said you agreed to it but the point that you were making earlier was that legal terms trick people in signing up to something that they didn't agree with.

Why does my age affect how old I have to be to make a grammatical joke? (Since I never said I did how could I did) Seriously. Quote: Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications :End Quote Yes you did tell me I agreed to it or you did not word your statement properly.

Are they trying to trick us? In most cases no? Where the fuck did I mention that they were trying to trick us? I am dead serious. Tell me so I can reiterate. In the end the point being that TOS/EULAs are written in a way that makes them excruciating to read and in the end few without a formal legal education actually understand what they read.

The implications of what you were stating were that the companies use legal jargon in order to confuse those reading them, in the hope that said person will want the product enough to blindly agree to the TOS or not bother reading it at all. You didn't explicitly state this but it was very much implied.

 

[soulsabr]

Glad I boycotted the company all those years ago. Really wanted to play Alice and Mass Effect 2 and 3, too. Oh well, they'll never see another penny of mine again.

 

[Waaghpowa]

See, here's why I buy most of my games for my 360. Consoles win again I guess.

Have you bothered to read any of the TOS's for consoles? They basically say that the OS on them is a license, so breaking any of their terms means they can lock you down effectively leaving you with an expensive paper weight (with the PS3 at least). Last I checked, that doesn't happen to PC's. At least with Origin it's an optional piece of software; you have the right to click "I do no agree" and life goes on. What happens if you do that on your Xbox?

Also this from the Xbox live user agreement

Spoiler

16. Changes to the Service; If We Cancel the Service.

We may change the Service or delete or discontinue features, games, or other content at any time and for any reason (or no reason). We may cancel or suspend your Service at any time. Our cancellation or suspension may be without cause and without notice. Upon Service cancellation, your right to use the Service stops right away. Once the Service is cancelled or suspended, any data you have stored on the Service may not be retrieved later. Our cancellation of the Service will not alter your obligation to pay all charges made to your billing account.

On topic: As much as I want to play Battlefield 3, I have principles, so I wont get it unless the boxed version is Origin free. (I'm well aware of the possibility that it will force me to, but we'll see about that when the time comes).

 

[pppppppppppppppppp]

It's gonna be pretty easy for me to boycott Origin; I don't wanna buy BF3 anyway.

#moreofanRPGfanreally

I think ME3 is an origin exclusive too.


And I really do want to play BF3. D:

But origin isn't touching my PC. I guess it'll have to be a 360 buy.

Meh, I'm the kind of person who waits till they bundle the game with all the DLC and cut the price. By then, this whole debacle will be over. If not, there's always Skyrim.

 

[Saulkar]

Snip

Agreed, recently I tried signing up for WOW for the free level twenty thing but knowing Activision was behind the scenes I decided to read the TOS agreement. I encountered words I had never heard before or words used in ways that seemed overtly grammatically incorrected. In the end after consulting a Thesaurus and checking Microsoft Office Word to see if anything I was reading was written correctly, I still had absolutely no idea what the TOS agreement was trying to get across.

Being a long-time WoW player, I will say that the EULA for it has some rather worrying clauses contained within. One of the bullet points they inform people of, for instance, is that Blizzard retains the right to delete any player's account at any time with or without informing them and with or without reason.

Now, granted, I don't feel Blizzard is a company who would actually abuse said power, but that is a clause contained right inside of the ToS/EULA they have people agree to with every new patch of the game.

I can honestly say that was one of the only things I gleamed from the EULA.

Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications? Would you follow a stranger alone in the woods because he promised you a puppy? No you wouldn't.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I never said I did. Since I never said I did how could I did?

My god how old are you? And I never actually said you agreed to it but the point that you were making earlier was that legal terms trick people in signing up to something that they didn't agree with.

Why does my age affect how old I have to be to make a grammatical joke? (Since I never said I did how could I did) Seriously. Quote: Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications :End Quote Yes you did tell me I agreed to it or you did not word your statement properly.

Are they trying to trick us? In most cases no? Where the fuck did I mention that they were trying to trick us? I am dead serious. Tell me so I can reiterate. In the end the point being that TOS/EULAs are written in a way that makes them excruciating to read and in the end few without a formal legal education actually understand what they read.

The implications of what you were stating was that the companies use legal jargon in order to confuse those reading them, in the hope that said person will want the product enough to blindly agree to the TOS or not bother reading it at all. You didn't explicitly state this but it was very much implied.

In that case I shall finish this conversation by saying that I did not purposely make a vague implication open to interpretation that companies write their EULA/TOS to confuse people and hope that they do not read the whole thing.

 

[Iron Criterion]

Snip

Agreed, recently I tried signing up for WOW for the free level twenty thing but knowing Activision was behind the scenes I decided to read the TOS agreement. I encountered words I had never heard before or words used in ways that seemed overtly grammatically incorrected. In the end after consulting a Thesaurus and checking Microsoft Office Word to see if anything I was reading was written correctly, I still had absolutely no idea what the TOS agreement was trying to get across.

Being a long-time WoW player, I will say that the EULA for it has some rather worrying clauses contained within. One of the bullet points they inform people of, for instance, is that Blizzard retains the right to delete any player's account at any time with or without informing them and with or without reason.

Now, granted, I don't feel Blizzard is a company who would actually abuse said power, but that is a clause contained right inside of the ToS/EULA they have people agree to with every new patch of the game.

I can honestly say that was one of the only things I gleamed from the EULA.

Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications? Would you follow a stranger alone in the woods because he promised you a puppy? No you wouldn't.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I never said I did. Since I never said I did how could I did?

My god how old are you? And I never actually said you agreed to it but the point that you were making earlier was that legal terms trick people in signing up to something that they didn't agree with.

Why does my age affect how old I have to be to make a grammatical joke? (Since I never said I did how could I did) Seriously. Quote: Why would you agree to a TOS of you did not fully understand the legal ramifications :End Quote Yes you did tell me I agreed to it or you did not word your statement properly.

Are they trying to trick us? In most cases no? Where the fuck did I mention that they were trying to trick us? I am dead serious. Tell me so I can reiterate. In the end the point being that TOS/EULAs are written in a way that makes them excruciating to read and in the end few without a formal legal education actually understand what they read.

The implications of what you were stating was that the companies use legal jargon in order to confuse those reading them, in the hope that said person will want the product enough to blindly agree to the TOS or not bother reading it at all. You didn't explicitly state this but it was very much implied.

That is exactly what most people do.

I don't think I can name one person I know in real life that reads a ToS other than me.

They are made to be intentionally long winded and confusing to baffle people.

They don't actually want you to read them. Just sign.

I am guilty of this myself. A thousand times over. Therefore even though it is an immoral practice, we only really have ourselves to blame.

 

[jprf]

Ok, I'm definitely buying the console version.
Origin will never find it's way onto my PC.