Internet Explodes Over Origin's Invasion of Privacy

Still Life

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EverythingIncredible said:
Still Life said:
I do not appreciate a corporation rifling through my personal files -- fuck you EA.
Why?

Do you have something to hide?
Do you or don't you value privacy? Do you value cogent transparency?

One of the defining legal principles of a supposedly liberal society is that a state power has certain restrictions over a person's personal affairs. I personally think the same line should be drawn with regards to corporate interests, and for the most part: it is.

If I'm going to give personal information to a corporate entity, I would like them to ask permission for it. Hark back to my previous point -- given the highly convoluted and murky nature of digital license agreements -- it makes it quite hard (ie. next to impossible) for a meeting of minds between the service provider and the consumer. In Common Law, this is debatable grounds for a contractual agreement. In fact, in most Western legal systems the same contention applies.

I value my personal information and if my PC is going to be scanned by corporate sanctioned spyware, I want a say over it. Given the argument I've stated, the choices would seem quite apparent for me -- ie. do not purchase. However, this is not an ideal outcome for all parties involved; I should not have to explain why.

To many, many other people who have a minute understanding of legal principles, this is an issue that needs to be addressed systematically. A corporation taking matters into their own hands in such a way is dangerous and unethical because its potential for abuse is great.

Simply put: supposition over what I may "have to hide" is irrelevant to the matter. The matter ultimately pertains to Power, and the manner in which it is wielded.

You're an intelligent and empowered individual, yes? If you're comfortable with corporations arbitrarily taking personal information without your express consent on every individual occasion purely for their own benefit, then I truly feel sorrow for you. With respect, this is bigger than you and your own personal choice. This thread highlights just how one-sided and overreaching this policy towards consumers has become.
 

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-I still don't understand the fuss... It's just information related to hardware and software useage, and it's specified to be programs installed/removed and furthermore the only details they can share relate to the actual games.

If it's not banking details... or like intellectual property... then what are they stealing that's actually worth something to us?

Like... my computer is used for uni work, gaming, torrents and porn...
And most of my personal details are already on Facebook.

So what?
You're rather flippant about identity theft.

Point is, other people are not comfortable with having sensitive personal information shared without their knowledge. I respect your disregard for privacy (that's your choice, evidently), but do you respect my concern over mine?
 

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TheSapphireKnight said:
If anyone has actually paid any attention the EULA has been updated so chill people.
The only reason they updated it was because they got caught with their fingers in the cookie jar. There are still clauses that allow them to 'update' the EULA as they see fit which may mean they'll try it again once the outrage has died down.

here's a link to their updated origin EULA pdf [http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/EULA_Origin_8.24.11.pdf]
 

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I don't really care nor give a whit about EA invading my privacy, and here are my reasons :

I don't play games like B3 or Black ops. Why? Oh boy, I could wirte a whole fucking essay about that and sell it as my life-time masterpiece.

I buy games from other sources than EA : Amazon, GAME, Steam and a local Charity shop (For old games like B&W or Sims 1)

I can block Origin with McAffee, if needs be, easy as pie.
 

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So, does the EA marketing department just drink themselves to sleep in the fetal position in front of a half eaten TV dinner every night? Or is it more of a "they're too jaded at this point to care", kinda thing?
 

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Add the opt-out clause and it's equal to Steam right? So if this is unacceptable then does that make Steam barely tolerable?

Plus I've heard Origin doesn't have to run itself in the background like Steam does whenever I want to play TF2 or something. Yeah I know it's evil EA against do no wrong Valve but Origin is sounding on par with Steam to me and my unbiased eyes at this point.
 

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That is just a little quacked out there EA. It is an invasion of privacy and all for a game? What reasoning would you have behind looking through a person's personal computer to help you advertise? Just a bit much and way too invasive.
 

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US citizens are ever closer to get a copyright stamp on their huge asses and don't even care.
 

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I really thought that with BF3, the PC community (which I am not a part of and have never been, mind) was finally getting treated well. This is just fucking ridiculous. I might not buy the PS3 version if only out of sheer principle.
 

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Jinx_Dragon said:
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Does this mean that EA Games can find out all the kinky porn I'm into? If so then I'm seriously worried o_O
I can not honestly say... the clause states "not limited to" after already giving us a frightening list of things they can scan such as what you use each application for. I can only make assumptions, with a legal loophole that large, that if you opened a file with application being monitored then they will know the file name at the very least. If not go all the way and just have the content of the file uploaded as well.

Again, assumption because that is a bloody big loophole!
Well, you seem to know a lot of these things. However, I'm not too worried. I could always play BF3 with some other distribution platform = problem solved. (for now)

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and andioca... yes, antidotes would help!
Haha yeah! Bolt reference! Eh, that was a Bolt reference right?
 

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TheSapphireKnight said:
If anyone has actually paid any attention the EULA has been updated so chill people.
How is that different? It still has the most worrying part included.

Specifically this bit

"The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware."
 

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EverythingIncredible said:
You don't need my address because I don't need some psychopath on the internet murdering me.
And you prove his point here.

Why was the first thing you assumed was him coming to kill you?
Why didn't you believe that he was just going to do as he claimed?

Because his actions were stated; he was just going to look through all of your possessions. He never said anything about stealing them or harming/killing you.

So why don't you trust him? You are quite correct to innately distrust him and here's why:
Because his terms and his intentions were vague and that's the problem with EA's contract.

Good contracts use specific clauses and terms to legally eliminate the potential for abuse.
EA's presented contract has vague terms in it being dressed up in ASSUMPTIONS (which every post defending EA's Origin contract thus far has made; before they ironically claim nobody else is reading the contract).
 

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JackWestJr said:
EA is seaming increasingly evil... :/

But c'mon people, unless you have kiddy porn (you sick bastard) I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Aha... So, if you don't have any kiddy porn or otherwise objectionable stuff at home, why do you bother closing the door when you go in or out?

Or, assuming you don't carry anything illegal in your pockets, why not let anyone search your body any time they fancy.

Really, no offense intended but I'm surprised to see someone defending the shit some companies are trying to pull off these days just for a bl**dy videogame.
 

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The entire thought behind origin just baffles me. It doesn't offer anything the other services don't have (it offers far less), it has a smaller library and years of developing time to catch up to. Where exactly did EA think this was going to be a success?
I mean, these guys MUST realise the above, so why push it so hard? It's just going to potentially piss people off.
 

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I don't store any sensitive personal information on my PC, so I really don't care about this at all. If EA wants to browse my gigantic porn collection then they can go right ahead.
 

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SpAc3man said:
How is this different from the Steam hardware survey? No big deal really as long as they don't fuck my shit up. All they will learn from me is that I like open-source, free software and my computer is about 3 years out of date.
It's different because Steam's hardware survey is an opt-in process where as Origin's is mandatory. Secondly, Origin's scan goes at least twice as deep as Steam's. As in, Steam's scan checks your hardware profile and memory/CPU usage whereas Origin's gives EA the ability to collect an uncomfortably obscene amount of information about you, your rig, your stored software, and your usage habits (not limited to Origin). They then also reserve the right to sell this info to any interested 3rd party.

That's your difference.
 

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CarlMinez said:
Well, you seem to know a lot of these things. However, I'm not too worried. I could always play BF3 with some other distribution platform = problem solved. (for now)
Um...no you can't. You can purchase it from another DD service, but you have to install and play BF3 from Origin (and Battlelog). I.E. You must have Origin running as well as an internet browser with Battlelog.

So in effect, you have to play BF3 with not one but two "Always On" DRMs running. Good luck with that.

Awexsome said:
Add the opt-out clause and it's equal to Steam right? So if this is unacceptable then does that make Steam barely tolerable?

Plus I've heard Origin doesn't have to run itself in the background like Steam does whenever I want to play TF2 or something. Yeah I know it's evil EA against do no wrong Valve but Origin is sounding on par with Steam to me and my unbiased eyes at this point.
See above. And, on the topic of Steam's scan ability, look at my post above this one.