Iran Sentences Game Developer To Death

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LadyTiamat

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SteelStallion said:
funny how that place is shrouded in news propaganda, and we're so easily swayed and influenced by our own news and media.

"Iran fucking sucks and is killing people"

"DEATH TO IRAN RAAAVGGHHHH"

makes you wonder if it isn't just one side that is doing the manipulating. hmmmmmmmm...
My thoughts exactly, I read this and I just feel a bit weary on how much of this story is true ansd how much is exageration,fabrication or cherry-picked. Cause you can do the same thing to pretty all countrties, report only on the bad happenings and none of the positive aspects.

But they still shouldn't kill him for making video games, just deport.
 

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Danceofmasks said:
Planting the seeds of sedition in your nation, if true, is a valid reason to be put to death for.
Even if those planting the seeds of sedition believe they are bettering your life or to change what they feel is an unbearable government? Well I guess we need to start gunning down all of the "occupy" protesters... Or do they get trial first?

To all those who protest otherwise, what does the USA do to spies? Or don't you know?
Depends, is the spy captured in America or not? Is the spy an American citizen or not? If they are a citizen are they in the military or not? What kind of information was being passed along? Lastly, does the spy's country of origin have any of our spies captured at the time?

Depending on the severity of the espionage the consequences range from a FAIR trial and death in one extreme to a simple prisoner exchange in the other extreme. Barring any possibility of flipping the spy, of course.

Empirically speaking, if you're calculating what sort of effect this would have on the future of the human species, I'd say most likely next to nothing.
I honestly hope you are right. I really do. Worst case scenario- Iran kills him, US declares war, Iran unveils nuclear weapons, begins Cold War part 2 (except Iranian leaders are bat shit crazy and will launch), US either stands down and emboldens Iran or calls the bluff and....

SOPA is many orders of magnitude worse than this.
Depends, I have actually read the bill and it does not seem that bad. I take issue with one part of it, but it is not the "interwebz is gonna die" bill people make it out to be.

Seriously, read it. All of it. I did.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:


OT- Anyway Iran is going to have to be shown their place at some point in time. If the world does not stop these shenanigans now we will have to do it when Iran starts waving around nuclear weapons, and that will be a much more difficult situation.
 
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*facepalm*

Modsbannit, Iran...What the hell are you doing?

If they go through with this, there will be a shitstorm and a half. And I for one hope that the fallout doesn't reach Canada.
 

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*kggh* "This is agent Amir Mizra Hekmati to HQ, their legal system is bullshit!" *kggh*

*kggh* "Copy that, agent Hekmati, good work." *kggh*
 

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Sarge034 said:
Worst case scenario- Iran kills him, US declares war, Iran unveils nuclear weapons, begins Cold War part 2 (except Iranian leaders are bat shit crazy and will launch), US either stands down and emboldens Iran or calls the bluff and....
Huh.
Are you serious?

Obviously your opinion of SOPA is completely worthless if you think that is even a possibility.
 

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Its been said many times.. but

What The hell is a former Marine/US citizen doing developing videogames in Iran.
Oh and Also.. -> Iran and the Us are having beef over the oil transport n what not.. This probably has something to do with it.. Now Iran has leverage: "keep your ships out and we´ll give you back your guy"
 

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Seraj said:
Why on earth hasn't there been a revolution there then?
There has.. that's why the Iranian government exists.

Revolutions don't always go well.

Sodoff said:
What The hell is a former Marine/US citizen doing developing videogames in Iran.
He has dual nationality.
 

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Danceofmasks said:
Sarge034 said:
Worst case scenario- Iran kills him, US declares war, Iran unveils nuclear weapons, begins Cold War part 2 (except Iranian leaders are bat shit crazy and will launch), US either stands down and emboldens Iran or calls the bluff and....
Huh.
Are you serious?

Obviously your opinion of SOPA is completely worthless if you think that is even a possibility.
I'm confused, did you quote the wrong part of my post? This is the section where I say what the worst case scenario for the world is. Or are you implying that SOPA is worse than a nuclear war?

Also I would just like to point out that my opinion of SOPA is worth just as much, or more, than yours is. I only say "or more" because I don't know if you are in the US and have voting rights or not. However, I know I am in the US and I do have voting rights. Both of those things makes my opinion pretty important.
 

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So, basically Iran is being Iran. But did I read that right that they aren't allowing him to speak to foreign counsel? That's just wrong. I know the U.S. will not enter the country, but Sweden has always represented U.S. interests there. Why aren't they being allowed to speak to this man?

ReinWeisserRitter said:
I feel badly for the guy, as our government is shady and lacking in credibility at best, and horrendously manipulative and self-serving at worst. While he probably felt he was doing the right thing, he was probably convinced to do it just to further some asshole's political agenda, not the greater good.

I'd like to be wrong, of course, but it's not where I'd put my money if I were a betting type.
You realize that claim is being made by Iran, right? A country that isn't exactly the most honest or trustworthy, right? I mean more so than usual. Iran is known to create false confessions. If fact...

Combustion Kevin said:
I have a penpall (well, e-mail, youknowwhatImean) in Iran who pretty much shares my opinion on this matter.
this is getting pretty ridiculous.

the irony is, a lot of people there find this case fishy, many think he's innocent but nobody is gonna protest this out of fear for a violent crackdown.
and if the shit hits the fan, the ones who've been pulling the strings are the last who will pay for it.
This. Even the Iranian people find this fishy. It's almost like they have reason to distrust their government. You know like, fixing an election and then violently cracking down on the populace and jailing large numbers of people who protested it for months on end.

Avae said:
A Former US Marine who has links with the CIA and he skips onto a plane and flies to Iran?

What the heck was he thinking? This is the same as those US campers who ended up hiking into Iran from IRAQ................... Like really, what goes through these peoples heads? This is real life, not a TV show.
First, the allegations of links to the CIA are being made by Iran. I would bet money that if Joe Q. Public entered Iran, he would be picked up and charged with espionage and accused of having connections to the CIA. Just because, according to Iran, every American is working for the CIA. Makes sense, right?

Second, there was some reason to believe that the U.S. hikers were abducted from Iraq. They were very close to the Iran/Iraq border. It wouldn't have been hard to cross in and out. Personally, I think they accidentally crossed the border without realizing it and were taken into custody. The border isn't exactly marked out there.
 

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After actually reading the report I can say I'm not as hostile against the court who made this decision as I'd have assumed.

Don't get me wrong- sentencing someone to death over a matter of propaganda spreading is stupid and vile, but that's out cultural outlook talking. In Iran that's sadly not such an absurd direction to go in.
However I can see why anyone would be pissed off at an occupying national power trying to spread anti-You propaganda through the popular media with movies and games. Especially if (like the report says) one such example involves sabotaging illegal nuclear weaponry that the country apparently never had anyway.

America learns that some countries will actually react very harshly to their bullshit, and men like this will be the ones suffering for it.
 

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vansau said:
Now, it's going to execute a man because he made videogames.
Where do you get that idea?
If you'd source your news better you'd know he was in the US army and is slated to be executed not for anything game related, but because the Iranians claim he was paid by the CIA to infiltrate their Intelligence agency, and then after three weeks report information for money.
Now if that is true we can't assert (nor if that's false), but what it *does* tell us is that the guy was charged with -and convicted for- infiltration and attempting to sell important Intelligence data to an arch enemy.

Video games don't factor into this at all, unless you need to write some news for a videogame website and discover this seemingly random fact afterwards... then make a baseless assumption to make these two facts somehow combine into something spectacular to report.
 

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Sarge034 said:
Danceofmasks said:
Sarge034 said:
Worst case scenario- Iran kills him, US declares war, Iran unveils nuclear weapons, begins Cold War part 2 (except Iranian leaders are bat shit crazy and will launch), US either stands down and emboldens Iran or calls the bluff and....
Huh.
Are you serious?

Obviously your opinion of SOPA is completely worthless if you think that is even a possibility.
I'm confused, did you quote the wrong part of my post? This is the section where I say what the worst case scenario for the world is. Or are you implying that SOPA is worse than a nuclear war?

Also I would just like to point out that my opinion of SOPA is worth just as much, or more, than yours is. I only say "or more" because I don't know if you are in the US and have voting rights or not. However, I know I am in the US and I do have voting rights. Both of those things makes my opinion pretty important.
I know exactly what I'm doing.
Your "worst case scenario" is an impossibility, since it's quite clear at this point the US would be less than keen to start another war over casualties in the thousands.
Declaring war over one person?! Even thinking that is possible causes me to be dubious about your intellectual capabilities.
All right, maybe if it's a football player or somesuch, that would be a remote possibility.

Let me explain SOPA to you.
The only thing that bill does is allow entire sites to be taken down without repercussion.
If it allows reasonable or measured responses it would be due to the possibility of this threat of takedown.

Not only that, it clearly does not understand how the internet functions.
What does 10 performances mean in terms of youtube or twitch.tv? Is that 10 distinct views? Is that 10 links to one video from different sources? Is that 10 parts of a let's play?
What is $2,500 retail value?! You can't sell most of that content in a retail store, but clearly youtube channels can earn much more than $2,500 in a 6 month period.

How then does the entire process work?
Someone posts videos to youtube.
Youtube is an automated system. Automated. There are simply too many videos for real people to sit there and check anything.
So, all it would take is someone to claim their copyright is being infringed.
By default, because the system is automated, they would have to shut down that account in response to every single claim, because if they don't do so within a 5 day period, youtube becomes IP BLOCKED to the entire country.

Now, explain to me how else this bill can possibly function?
 

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I honestly don't know what to say. I'm not surprised, but I AM a little angry. The fact that the guy's ex-USMC might be a factor.

Two thumbs down for Iran.
 

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It's a damn shame. It's getting harder to tell people their government and the majority of their citizens are no the US's enemies. It's terrible that if this persists the majority of their people are going to get sucked deeper into war (whether they belong there or not).

Also, stop with all the "oh the humanity" drama on this thread. I hate to point this out, but the vast majority of people who have existed have not had any vested interest at all in war. You should claim large over reaching governments for doing it, not the "horrible" humans. Also, if I see one more person talk about how bad people are and then use the identifiers "our, we, or us" one more time, I'm gonna scream. Get over your drama.

Edit: I have a joke about the CIA. How do you know the CIA wasn't involved in the Kennedy assassination? Well, he's dead, isn't he? LOLZ.
 

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Varrdy said:
This reminds me of when Iran snatched thos British sailors. They were eventually released and were shown on TV smiling and greeting their leader (I can't be arsed to try and spell it) while shaking hands.

You just KNEW there was a sniper or other gunman nearby to make sure they all smiled and made Iran look lovely and magnanimous and if they didn't, goodnight Vienna.
I don't think a country that has historically been the go-to guy for Middle Eastern dictatorships wishing to obtain high-quality Western weaponry would be high up on the list of potential targets for an Iranian nuke.

Edit: Oh, ok, "goodnight Vienna" is apparently a British expression meaning "it's all over."
 

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Danceofmasks said:
I know exactly what I'm doing.
Your "worst case scenario" is an impossibility, since it's quite clear at this point the US would be less than keen to start another war over casualties in the thousands.
Declaring war over one person?! Even thinking that is possible causes me to be dubious about your intellectual capabilities.
All right, maybe if it's a football player or somesuch, that would be a remote possibility.

Let me explain SOPA to you.
The only thing that bill does is allow entire sites to be taken down without repercussion.
If it allows reasonable or measured responses it would be due to the possibility of this threat of takedown.

Not only that, it clearly does not understand how the internet functions.
What does 10 performances mean in terms of youtube or twitch.tv? Is that 10 distinct views? Is that 10 links to one video from different sources? Is that 10 parts of a let's play?
What is $2,500 retail value?! You can't sell most of that content in a retail store, but clearly youtube channels can earn much more than $2,500 in a 6 month period.

How then does the entire process work?
Someone posts videos to youtube.
Youtube is an automated system. Automated. There are simply too many videos for real people to sit there and check anything.
So, all it would take is someone to claim their copyright is being infringed.
By default, because the system is automated, they would have to shut down that account in response to every single claim, because if they don't do so within a 5 day period, youtube becomes IP BLOCKED to the entire country.

Now, explain to me how else this bill can possibly function?
That's the funny thing about the "worst case scenario". It is supposed to represent the "perfect storm". It does not matter if it is plausible of not, only that it is the worst posible outcome to the situation. I don't know about you, but nuclear war is pretty high on my "we're boned" meater.

As for SOPA.

What the bill says is that upon obtaining evidence that a site is misusing copyrighted information the Attorney General will file a motion with the court. This is very much like filing for a search warrant in that there must be sufficient proof for the order to be passed. Once passed the site will be required to block all accesses to US users. The site will then have five days to correct the situation. If they remove the content they can allow US users back on the site but they may still be penalized for copyright infringement. If they do not remove the content but do not allow US users on the site then they will be charged with copyright infringement. If they do not remove the content and allow US users accesses to the site then they will be charged with copyright infringement and failure to follow the cease and desist order as well as getting perma-blocked. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3261:

During these five days all payment and advertising firms must pull their services if they are based in the US or not provide their services to US users if they are foreign companies.

The one issue I have is that it grants the right to INDIVIDUAL SERVICE PROVIDERS to shut down sites on their own. This is important companies, not the government, can shut down sites without the court's permission. This is the part I take issue with.

This was a very condensed summary. Click the link and read the whole thing if you want the real story. Did you know that Google was involved in an incident where it had to pay something like $500 MILLIOM because it was running an ad for illegal pharmacy meds. This is one of the things this bill makes it easier to convict sites of. I wonder why Google is against it?
 

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Kenjitsuka said:
vansau said:
Now, it's going to execute a man because he made videogames.
Where do you get that idea?
If you'd source your news better you'd know he was in the US army and is slated to be executed not for anything game related, but because the Iranians claim he was paid by the CIA to infiltrate their Intelligence agency, and then after three weeks report information for money.
Now if that is true we can't assert (nor if that's false), but what it *does* tell us is that the guy was charged with -and convicted for- infiltration and attempting to sell important Intelligence data to an arch enemy.

Video games don't factor into this at all, unless you need to write some news for a videogame website and discover this seemingly random fact afterwards... then make a baseless assumption to make these two facts somehow combine into something spectacular to report.
THANK YOU!

I would have hoped that this site would restrict itself to what it knows---that is, videogames. Sadly, however, it would appear that they are not above mimickiung the mainstream media's proclivity for hijacking a non-sequiter or red herring and using that as the main lede into coverage of an issue that calls for much less kneejerk howls for bombing each other.

So what if they criminalize homosexuality? The West can't just wish the rest of world to be as enlightened as they are overnight, at the drop of a hat. Furthermore, it has no bearing on matters of intelligence, which this clearly is; this is not the first time a CIA ring has been busted within their borders.

It's perfectly reasonable to morally object to this sentence (which the Iranians will, in all likelihood, mitigate in the future), but to extrapolate that into a generalized judgment on the Iranian government, its policies, and its people as a whole is just wildly irresponsible. It's the kind of mindset that rationalizes war (which, in this case, would be a regional and humanitarian crisis far beyond Iraq).

Clearly, we can support Saddam against Iran (with chemical weapons no less); we can talk openly of bombing their nuclear facilities; we can hold Iran to a nuclear double standard from which Israel is exempt; we can wage cyberwarfare against them; we can assassinate their scientists within their borders; we can supplement its regional rivals with advanced weaponry; we can direct CIA activity within their borders; we can talk of "regime change" in its regional ally Syria (and perhaps already be covertly actuating that); we can make common cause with a terrorist group that still operates against the iranian regime; we can fly drones in their airspace we can rebuff every single gesture of negotiation or goodwill or posture simply that it is insufficient.

Not a peep.

But Iran can't wipe its metaphorical ass without the New York Times, Fox News, and the Washington Post (not to mention our policymakers) speculating on its aggressive/expansionist/genocidal tendencies.

Greenwald explains it better than anyone else I know of:
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/04/george_orwell_on_the_evil_iranians/singleton/
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/22/the_media_and_iran_familiar_mindlessness/singleton/
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/13/the_la_times_notices_the_double_standard_on_iran/singleton/

P.S. Sorry for the rant; I kind of went off on a tangent. I just had to get it out, because I've been following this for a long time, and the rampant jingoism infuriates me to no end.
 

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Sarge034 said:
That's the funny thing about the "worst case scenario". It is supposed to represent the "perfect storm". It does not matter if it is plausible of not, only that it is the worst posible outcome to the situation. I don't know about you, but nuclear war is pretty high on my "we're boned" meater.
Well, nuclear war is one of the best things that could possibly happen.
See, the biggest threat to the planet, and all life on it, are the crap humans can do, right?
Well, there are theoretical inventions, such as self replicating nanites, that if unleashed in weapon format, will guarantee extinction of all life as we know it.

Nuclear war, in contrast, will devastate mostly human populations, and even if sufficient nukes were simultaneously launched to cause a nuclear winter, it will not cause the extinction of all life.

Therefore, if it comes down to a choice between nanobot war, and actively and deliberately causing an all out nuclear war in order to prevent further technological advancements if there comes a time where humans are still proven to be idiotic when it comes to weaponisation of everything we invent, then nuking everyone is the noble and right thing to do.

Edit: I typed nuclear instead of nanobot