Is anyone defending EA at this point?
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I don't defend them, because they neither need it nor deserve it.
However, I WILL point out patently false claims being made by people on the matter. From either side. (for or against)
Hate them or love them, I don't care. EA is just a company, one of whom has business practices I personally loathe, but anyone is free to feel about them however they wish.
If you want to defend every action they make, that's your choice. If you want to chastise them for everything, even the smallest infraction, that's your prerogative.
Either way, it's no skin off my bones. However, if you start "making shit up" to back up your claims or opinions, you can be sure I'll call you on it.
However, I WILL point out patently false claims being made by people on the matter. From either side. (for or against)
Hate them or love them, I don't care. EA is just a company, one of whom has business practices I personally loathe, but anyone is free to feel about them however they wish.
If you want to defend every action they make, that's your choice. If you want to chastise them for everything, even the smallest infraction, that's your prerogative.
Either way, it's no skin off my bones. However, if you start "making shit up" to back up your claims or opinions, you can be sure I'll call you on it.
Firstly, it's not cloud computing. SimCity5 employs the typical server-client relationship that checks to ensure you're online every 5min. The server does not do anything aside from keep your save files and maintain the online DRM.ResonanceSD said:
Secondly, you would be right when the developer and the publisher are separate entities, but that case is becoming rarer nowadays. In EA's case especially, the development and publishing are intertwined within the same company to such a degree that one influences the other. Does Maxis have the freedom to seek other publishers? Can it release on platforms other than Origin? Is it allowed to not repeat the same mistakes that EA has done with every other game? No.
EA and Maxis are literally the same entity. "Maxis" is just a name EA slops on a package in order to invoke nostalgia or quality. It's the same with the term "Bioware".
It's the same thing as the studio Ubisoft Montreal making Far Cry 3 or Assassin's Creed 9. They put the Ubisoft logo on there alone. If there is a mistake, we don't blame Ubisoft Montreal independent of Ubisoft the publisher. Why are we treating Bioware and Maxis as separate entities?
No I don't defend them nor should anyone else, shady business practices should not be rewarded with loyalty.
I concur. The thing is DRM doesn't stop piracy. The people who are going to pirate aren't doing it to spite the company. They are doing it because they hate DRM, don't have the money, have the money but are to lazy or cheap to buy the game, or just don't care.MoltenSilver said:
Using intrusive DRM WILL NEVER STOP PIRACY. EVER. Period.
All Intrusive DRM does is make more people who ARE Fans stop buying it. So you don't get more people to buy it. You make more people stop buying. All they have done with this DRM is made it so pirates (Who weren't going to buy it anyway) Can't pirate it. And pissed off their casual players. As well as their fanbase. They have done nothing beneficial and sunk time and money into a system that gave them MORE BAD PRESS.
I don't get it.
You could possibly argue that some Pirates will be inconvenienced enough to buy it, but then they are even more inconvenienced by the idea that they have to install yet another client like steam. And then have to always be online. And then they could possibly lose their work. And since three of the reasons pirate pirate include being lazy and hating DRM. It is very unlikely.
I don't care what it says in the EULA - When I buy a game, I am not buying a 'service'. I am buying intellectual freaking PROPERTY, transferred from the company that creates and publishes it, to me. Once I OWN it, I will use it in whatever ways I damn well please, because I paid for those rights. The ONLY single right I did not buy is the right to reproduce and redistribute the game.
If a game ever requires that I connect to the internet - I do not buy it. I recently returned Farcry 3, because Ubisoft wanted me to make an account - a freaking USER ACCOUNT, just to access a single player game. It is none of your business what I own, Ubisoft. I will register NOTHING.
Besides, what happens if I did buy Simcity? What happens in forty years when I pull this laptop out of a box, plug my ancient power supply into the plasma conduit adapter in the wall, and start up Simcity? Is the damn thing going to try and connect to servers that no longer exist?
I have a computer with Windows-freaking-95 on it - and I still use it for gaming. I still periodically crank up games like Terminal Velocity or Havoc. I have another with Windows XP on it, which I use for Mechwarrior 3 and 4.
There is nothing in a game that will ever be worth integrating with 'cloud computing'. EVER.
EA, I'm staring straight at you. I'll never monetize anything you touch.
If a game ever requires that I connect to the internet - I do not buy it. I recently returned Farcry 3, because Ubisoft wanted me to make an account - a freaking USER ACCOUNT, just to access a single player game. It is none of your business what I own, Ubisoft. I will register NOTHING.
Besides, what happens if I did buy Simcity? What happens in forty years when I pull this laptop out of a box, plug my ancient power supply into the plasma conduit adapter in the wall, and start up Simcity? Is the damn thing going to try and connect to servers that no longer exist?
I have a computer with Windows-freaking-95 on it - and I still use it for gaming. I still periodically crank up games like Terminal Velocity or Havoc. I have another with Windows XP on it, which I use for Mechwarrior 3 and 4.
There is nothing in a game that will ever be worth integrating with 'cloud computing'. EVER.
EA, I'm staring straight at you. I'll never monetize anything you touch.
True enough, but for a single entity to become as reviled as EA has become, you must admit that they're stepping on a lot of people's toes to reach that level. It doesn't help that they outright lie about us liking what they're doing either.ThriKreen said:
In short, no. They've done too much too many times to come back from this point. At this point, I figure they should just give up and dive headfirst into the douchebag pool and enjoy it. They'll still make tons of money, regardless of how much people dislike them.
There are always sycophants.
I would say anyone who bought Sim City or any other EA game on day one deserved what ever crap they had to deal with. It's like watching a friend return to an abusive relationship. When the cops say they can't do anything about it, all you can do is watch in horror from the sidelines. I am just watching with a big bag of popcorn while they burn themselves to the ground, and likely cause a crash at the same time. EA simply has their fingers in too many pies to just die alone, but that doesn't worry me. Crashes usually mean reboots, and the industry desperately needs one of those, if just to get rid of entities like EA.
I would say anyone who bought Sim City or any other EA game on day one deserved what ever crap they had to deal with. It's like watching a friend return to an abusive relationship. When the cops say they can't do anything about it, all you can do is watch in horror from the sidelines. I am just watching with a big bag of popcorn while they burn themselves to the ground, and likely cause a crash at the same time. EA simply has their fingers in too many pies to just die alone, but that doesn't worry me. Crashes usually mean reboots, and the industry desperately needs one of those, if just to get rid of entities like EA.
Yeah, they do need to fix DRM, but they need to keep trying to implement something. It probably will never happen, but they could one day find something that doesn't burden the customer and stop piracy.MoltenSilver said:
I just have to say Kreen, with all these EA threads popping up, I love seeing your responses. Always level headed and unbiased. I really need to keep them bookmarked, because I wanted to quote one earlier XDThriKreen said:
OP: I 'defend' them in the sense that they arent the devil. I dont agree with many of their business practices, but people focus on the bad things WAYYYYYY to much because of how knee jerk they are.
Also, I agree with Kreen, most of the time people who vilify EA usually use bad facts. So many people still believe the servers are EA's fault, when Maxis is pulling all the blame for it. Also, the point of everyone trying to make 'Always Online' and 'Always Online DRM' the same thing. SimCity was built for online play, meaning its not DRM. Thats like saying WoW is only server based because its DRM. To anyone who thinks it is EA who made it always online, we -dont- know.
Well...I hate them, but yes, if you can call pointing out bias/double standards that people have for EA and (commonly) Valve, there are people on this forum who do that.
I bought a game, I enjoyed the game the day of release with no problems, and I do not regret the purchase. I have a sad that I need Origin, since I prefer my games to all run under the same umbrella, but it really doesn't matter. EA is just the company I bought the game from. I have no particular feelings towards them.
Good lord Pro Evo is terrible!BloodWriter said:
OT: They certainly have a right to defend their IP, but I'm wholeheartedly against the way they are going about it. It's less about protecting their IP and more about redefining the meaning of "purchase" to "service."
Wrong, sir. Wrong.shadow skill said:Quit kicking them when they are down.
Kick them when they are down. Continually smash their collective teeth into the proverbial curb. This may be the only way that those morons (and that's being nice to stupid people) MAY actually STOP doing the stupid things they do. I can only hope that when enough people "Kick them when they are down" that EA will wake up and realize that they produce crap and no one is going to buy their stuff anymore (or at least not enough for them to continue making said crap).
I say KICK ON!!!
and maybe light them on fire, too.
just for good measure.