Is anyone defending EA at this point?
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I think that EA's problem is that they don't really get their customers and try to implement systems that don't really work.
For example in the Sims 3 there is the memory system. Unlike the Sims 2 where your sims only remember big events like marriges, in TS3 yours sims remember really stupid thing like going to the store, eating out, ect. Further more the story progression feature means the every sim in the neigbourhood has these memories which after a while starts to slow down the game.
Because there is a share feature I think that it was meant to be a social feature like in Farmvile, but Farmville is a social game run off a social network so it works while TS3 is download off Orgin or a CD so it dosn't.
So in short form, I don't think EA is evil just not that well run.
For example in the Sims 3 there is the memory system. Unlike the Sims 2 where your sims only remember big events like marriges, in TS3 yours sims remember really stupid thing like going to the store, eating out, ect. Further more the story progression feature means the every sim in the neigbourhood has these memories which after a while starts to slow down the game.
Because there is a share feature I think that it was meant to be a social feature like in Farmvile, but Farmville is a social game run off a social network so it works while TS3 is download off Orgin or a CD so it dosn't.
So in short form, I don't think EA is evil just not that well run.
On their defense I can say that they release fun, but never perfect games like Dragon Age, Mass Effect and The Sims 3.
Against them is the fact that they want to destroy gaming as we know it, forcing crap like DLC and always on-line DRM. Also I must say that they are liars! They said SimCity needs on-line. That's not true. The game could be played off-line if they wanted. And it's not a multiplayer game. The only reason they made it online is because of DRM. And it even makes the game worse because I am quite sure that the reason we can't have big cities is thanks to the servers being slow. If it was a completely off-line game the CPU would be the only limit to the size of the cities.
Against them is the fact that they want to destroy gaming as we know it, forcing crap like DLC and always on-line DRM. Also I must say that they are liars! They said SimCity needs on-line. That's not true. The game could be played off-line if they wanted. And it's not a multiplayer game. The only reason they made it online is because of DRM. And it even makes the game worse because I am quite sure that the reason we can't have big cities is thanks to the servers being slow. If it was a completely off-line game the CPU would be the only limit to the size of the cities.
Not saying EA is right, but sometime I dislike people who blindly hates EA more than EA. Gamers can be such a drama queen sometime. Until the day we the gamers decide enough is enough and start voting with our wallet. They're just going to keep pushing for the boundary.
Can you really blame a business trying to make a buck in this tough economic? It's a business, not a charity case. That's why I always promote the idea of vote with your wallet. Let's use the case of Dead Space 3 micro-transactions, if they can't see a return on their investment, guess what? they won't put it in the game again.
Can you really blame the content creators trying to get paid and protect their products with DRM? It's like when you decide not to have lock on your front door in a rough neighbourhood, because if people is going to break in and rob you, they are going to break in regardless if you have a lock or not.
We gamers needs to take a little responsibility in this matters too. As we are partially responsible for the creation of this DRM.
Can you really blame a business trying to make a buck in this tough economic? It's a business, not a charity case. That's why I always promote the idea of vote with your wallet. Let's use the case of Dead Space 3 micro-transactions, if they can't see a return on their investment, guess what? they won't put it in the game again.
Can you really blame the content creators trying to get paid and protect their products with DRM? It's like when you decide not to have lock on your front door in a rough neighbourhood, because if people is going to break in and rob you, they are going to break in regardless if you have a lock or not.
We gamers needs to take a little responsibility in this matters too. As we are partially responsible for the creation of this DRM.
I agree with you totally regarding DRM. The gaming community brought this on itself with its tacit approval of piracy.Tom Waits said:
HOWEVER, can I really blame a business trying to make a buck in this tough economy? It depends. If they do it by outright lying, as is becoming apparent (see http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/03/12/simcity-server-not-necessary ), then yes, I can blame the everloving fuck out of them.
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Depends on what we are talking about. They might be dicks but that doesn't mean you can be a dick in response. Also, forums for games are usually full of 90% people who say they hate the game. Complain, threaten to quit, say the company sucks, insult the developers, then continue to play the game because you secretly love it.
<-----This guy.
I've written plenty of rants defending EA in the past few days in other threads that I feel I don't need to go into full detail.
I'm probably now seen as the crazy guy who puts large signs out on his front lawn with comments raging against the government and talking about conspiracy theories.
And you know what...
I approve of fighting pirates by any means. I'm also sick of people that think the banner of consumer rights is a golden ticket for them to be oblivious to what they buy, to ignore the common knowledge about types of products and common developing problems that can't be avoided at this time. I am sick of such people because they think they are right to complain about everything even if plenty of facts were given and known, which means their requests for things they want or wanted are invalid. They are people that will still go on complaining while plenty of knowledgeable and understanding consumers are now playing the game with no problems, because they were civil and patient while the kinks were being worked out.
I've written plenty of rants defending EA in the past few days in other threads that I feel I don't need to go into full detail.
I'm probably now seen as the crazy guy who puts large signs out on his front lawn with comments raging against the government and talking about conspiracy theories.
And you know what...
I defend EA. And I'm neither of those things.Solo-Wing said:
I approve of fighting pirates by any means. I'm also sick of people that think the banner of consumer rights is a golden ticket for them to be oblivious to what they buy, to ignore the common knowledge about types of products and common developing problems that can't be avoided at this time. I am sick of such people because they think they are right to complain about everything even if plenty of facts were given and known, which means their requests for things they want or wanted are invalid. They are people that will still go on complaining while plenty of knowledgeable and understanding consumers are now playing the game with no problems, because they were civil and patient while the kinks were being worked out.
Again. I agree with defending EA on DRM--I have zero tolerance for piracy. Their implimentation of DRM in the case of SimCity was... suboptimal, at best, but on principle, I support them.
But can you defend them on the outright lies about the game requiring the servers to run a single player mode? Because that is where I am at a complete loss.
But can you defend them on the outright lies about the game requiring the servers to run a single player mode? Because that is where I am at a complete loss.
Hi, I'm Sonic Doctor.Carter Rosen said:
I'm defending EA in these matters.
And I'm doing a jig because I exist.
Some one needs to because the whole situation has been blown way out of proportion.
I like some of the games EA's put out over the years. Red Alert 2 was sweet. 3 not so much, though George Takei and Tim Curry are always nice to see. They published Brutal Legend after it lost its publisher, which was nice of them.
But they pull enough DRM-related bullshit that I'll only touch their products now after they've been out a while and had time to prove they're worth it. The end of the goodwill reserve has been struck, and a pretty substantial dent put in to the bottom.
But they pull enough DRM-related bullshit that I'll only touch their products now after they've been out a while and had time to prove they're worth it. The end of the goodwill reserve has been struck, and a pretty substantial dent put in to the bottom.
Are you kidding? Their numbers have drastically declined. There was a little group of them, I used to call them the EA attack league. They would always come to EA's defense and escalate the already volatile threads by posting inflammatory comments and giving people someone to direct their anger towards, most of them are banned now probably as a result of such posts.malakaira said:Not for the Simcity debacle but if anything more people are defending EA now more than ever (on this site anyway).
I've never hidden my dislike for them but I just can't be bothered to complain about them anymore.
I'm so tired of complaining about EA ,So very tired.
OT: I got all my rage out with the Mass Effect Scandal, now I just don't care and ignore them. They haven't made a game that caught my attention in a while.
Here is one of them now.Bhaalspawn said:Fun fact. There is a game out there universally loved by so many gamers of all walks of life on the PC. It's available through a very popular distribution channel on that platform, and is also free.
It was published by Electronic Arts.
What is this mystical game, you ask?
Whiners gonna whine. Then again, that game is awful, so not exactly helping my point...
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What I can not stand is a lot of gamers out there seems to have this entitlement that everything should be free. Using EA or (insert your next internet gaming lynch mob target) as an excuse to justified their wrong-doing. Making it looks like they're fighting some sort of "holy wars" against the big greedy corporation. But in reality, they just don't want to pay for it. I'd have a lot more respect to those people who can be honest and say "I pirate, because I can".
Back to EA, the thing I don't understand is, why can't they hire a quality PR firm like WPP to do their PR? All of the EA hates can be avoided and minimised by careful planning and the ability to answer questions. Sometime watching EA doing PR work it feels like they're afraid being successful. It makes you wonder the reason why? Is it because they're too big? lack of communication between different departments?
People going to pirate, I understand that, as I'm no saint myself. When given a choice of paying $50 and $0, hardly anyone is going to pick $50. It's human nature, there's no avoiding that.Don Incognito said:
What I can not stand is a lot of gamers out there seems to have this entitlement that everything should be free. Using EA or (insert your next internet gaming lynch mob target) as an excuse to justified their wrong-doing. Making it looks like they're fighting some sort of "holy wars" against the big greedy corporation. But in reality, they just don't want to pay for it. I'd have a lot more respect to those people who can be honest and say "I pirate, because I can".
Back to EA, the thing I don't understand is, why can't they hire a quality PR firm like WPP to do their PR? All of the EA hates can be avoided and minimised by careful planning and the ability to answer questions. Sometime watching EA doing PR work it feels like they're afraid being successful. It makes you wonder the reason why? Is it because they're too big? lack of communication between different departments?
I think some people are losing track of why EA gets so much hate. There's a good fuckin' reason to hate them. Just remember all of the studios that they closed down and franchises they destroyed. It's only a matter of time before they close down Bioware, Maxis etc. That may not seem like a big deal to some of you, but the problem is, EA still owns every IP from the studios they closed down. And they're not doing anything with those IP's. As much as I hate Mass Effect 3 ending and Dragon Age 2 as a whole, I don't want to see those series die when EA finally decides to shut down a studio that was once loved by all gamers. That's why EA needs to die. So that another company could buy their studios and their IP's at an auction. Personally, I'd love to see Bioware and their games in hands Zenimax or Square Enix.
Erm... according to Wikipedia EA's only role in Team Fortress 2 was porting the completed game to the PS3, and that didn't go all that smoothly...Bhaalspawn said:Fun fact. There is a game out there universally loved by so many gamers of all walks of life on the PC. It's available through a very popular distribution channel on that platform, and is also free.
It was published by Electronic Arts.
What is this mystical game, you ask?
Whiners gonna whine. Then again, that game is awful, so not exactly helping my point...
Although the PS3 was pretty awful to program ports for, so make of that what you will.
Here's a better example of a game that is not only highly regarded, but would not exist if EA, who owned the rights to it, didn't approach the company making the at-the-time spiritual successor to a cult hit with an offer to publish the game under the condition that the game was renamed to be part of the series, rather than just be a spiritual successor.
Cue people telling me it doesn't count because it is old.
Cue people telling me it doesn't count because it is old.
I mean besides the fact that they may make a game you like or if you admire their extremely successful, albeit pretty disgusting business practices, why would you?
What baffles me about EA is that we consistently validate their behaviour with our purchases, then scream that they're doing things wrong.
I don't see that as defense so much as common sense.lacktheknack said:
Yet people promptly tell me to "stop defending EA".Zachary Amaranth said:
Common sense? What's that?