Is "c***" just a replacement for "f*****?"
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if some alt right cult are the fill ins for Chaos, then I for one welcome the Exterminatus...Dirty Cop James funs said:
It is also worth keeping in mind that most subcultures put their own values and sentiments into words. Just because some types of "fag" is a term of endearment on the Chans, that does not mean that fag or ****** are accepted words in broader society. For a more prevalent example, consider how some groups of afroamericans can use the word ****** as a sign of affection and kinship, and how completely wrong it'd be if a white person tried to do the same.Kolby Jack said:
Well, fag has kinda become a non-insult.
I mean, I'm gay myself, and it's a word I use towards gay friends, and they use it back. I guess in some ways, it's kinda been taken back by the gay community, and in general has just lost a lot of the impact it used to have.
Kinda like "Queer", I guess.
Cuck though, is just sorta a generic catch-all seemingly aimed at leftists for lacking masculinity, or any ability to defend what's theirs.
It's not really a very logical insult, but, then again, they never are.
Calling somebody an asshole, does not literally mean they are an asshole.
Likewise, motherfuckers are a lot rarer than the usage would have you believe.
And so on.
I mean, I'm gay myself, and it's a word I use towards gay friends, and they use it back. I guess in some ways, it's kinda been taken back by the gay community, and in general has just lost a lot of the impact it used to have.
Kinda like "Queer", I guess.
Cuck though, is just sorta a generic catch-all seemingly aimed at leftists for lacking masculinity, or any ability to defend what's theirs.
It's not really a very logical insult, but, then again, they never are.
Calling somebody an asshole, does not literally mean they are an asshole.
Likewise, motherfuckers are a lot rarer than the usage would have you believe.
And so on.
The alt right? Anti authoritarian? That's a good one.FriendoftheFallen said:
Matter of degrees.
Someone who, say, thinks the Republicans have the right idea bout healthcare and taxes, yea, I can still easily maintain relationships with and call a friend. Someone who, however says things like "Gas the Jews and the Queers" no, I don't want to know someone like that.
They do a pretty good job making the case for us. Besides, msot of those people don't care to know us pitiful SJW libtard cuckold autistics, so I fail to see the problem. They hate us. We hate them.
Did you ever think that maybe we do it for some people because we don't WANT to come to a position of understanding, nor do they? There are plenty of people that, if you extend an olive branch to them, they'll simply stab you in the eye with it and call you a ******.
Come on now, these people are not anti-authoritarian. They tend to support Donald Trump and reactionary movements against LGBT people, ethnic minorities, non-Christian religions, the poor and so on. They like to paint themselves as "anti-authoritarian" but the "authoritarianism" they're fighting against is usually just a wild conspiracy theory. "But political correctness has gone mad!" they say when they get banned off a service for violating the terms of service or when some obscure foreign game nobody cares about doesn't get localised. Meanwhile the authoritarianism they support puts lives at risk, be it the pro-life movement (heh), restrictions against LGBT people, support for racial profiling etc.FriendoftheFallen said:
Well you can call it pathetic all you want but I don't really care. Not saying that your opinion means nothing, I mean I don't have much personal investment in how online forum users view me especially if they are anonymous. It seems to me that a lot of this hyper-reactionary nihilism comes from a desire to fit in, you can see it whenever someone disagrees even slightly they get called an "SJW cuck". I mean this happened to me when an anti-SJW group I was a part of dogpiled me for suggesting that random overweight people on the internet shouldn't be publicly mocked just because they had the audacity to share photos of themselves with friends.
In addition to that see the popularity of Milo Yiannopoulos. His popularity relies almost entirely on his ability to "not give a fuck" and it makes me wonder if he and the rest of the alt-right are sincere in what they say or if they just want to stir shit. I mean having a counter-cultural response to nagging leftists is one thing, but when you end up supporting right-wing authoritarians as a result it's suddenly not as funny.
Yes, in that it's a lazy word thrown around by idiots who can't come up with something clever. Any insult that suggests the other guy is sissy or effeminate is as old as dirt, and cuck has just become the popular one. People quickly realise that a particular insult just shows the person saying it is thick and insecure (like those who use "******"), and even they eventually catch up, and resolve to find a new word.
The easy way to beat these insults is to say that you are fine with being gay, poly, or feminine.
The easy way to beat these insults is to say that you are fine with being gay, poly, or feminine.
That's the modern definition I believe. It is derived from cuckold, which is a guy whose wife/girlfriend is having an affair. It was used in a few Shakespearean plays that I can think of.Silentpony said:
Much Ado about Nothing. Beatrice was talking about dying unmarried and how basically she had turned the Devil into a cuckold by not having sex with anyone.Programmed_For_Damage said:
Yeah basically it's just another way for weak spinless men to shit on other men for perceived slights that only exist within themselves
I like to think of "Cuck" as the less complicated permutation of "******": It implies a measurable lack of masculinity and confidence, and unlike homosexuality it doesn't carry with it any of the religious or historical baggage. The fact that "Cuck" sounds like a mix of 'cock' and 'fuck' makes it doubly fun to say, too. I don't think we'd have seen it take off as it has in certain circles had it not been simultaneously a specific, masculinity-robbing insult and sounded like two of the naughtier words the English language has been hiding in plan sight for a good long time - it's like a fragment grenade of an insult, being familiar sounding and having a far more specific meaning than, say, Fuccboi ever had.
By the same measure, ****** isn't useful as an insult anymore anyway - let's face it, in the circles that love the term "cuck", the word "fag" is roughly as common a sentence particle in English as 'desu' is in Japanese. South Park opined years ago how language evolves and means different things, using "fag" to mean an annoying jerk, rather than a homosexual. This is the completely natural (if oddly displaced) result of using a taboo word to the point of it no longer creating a reaction in people; if we're all faggots, being a ****** ceases to be an insult.
Which means, eventually, being a cuck will be rendered meaningless as well. Pity. The Game Grumps dedicated half an episode to discussing it, and I figure at this rate it's about a year until something on normalfag TV uses it, rendering its' use as a powerful and exciting new insult completely moot*.
Ask not what the insult of is - ask what the insult of <current year +1> will be!
(*How could I forget? We also saw a dramatic uptick in the term specifically because Chris "Moot" Poole was deemed quite the cuck himself.)
By the same measure, ****** isn't useful as an insult anymore anyway - let's face it, in the circles that love the term "cuck", the word "fag" is roughly as common a sentence particle in English as 'desu' is in Japanese. South Park opined years ago how language evolves and means different things, using "fag" to mean an annoying jerk, rather than a homosexual. This is the completely natural (if oddly displaced) result of using a taboo word to the point of it no longer creating a reaction in people; if we're all faggots, being a ****** ceases to be an insult.
Which means, eventually, being a cuck will be rendered meaningless as well. Pity. The Game Grumps dedicated half an episode to discussing it, and I figure at this rate it's about a year until something on normalfag TV uses it, rendering its' use as a powerful and exciting new insult completely moot*.
Ask not what the insult of is - ask what the insult of <current year +1> will be!
(*How could I forget? We also saw a dramatic uptick in the term specifically because Chris "Moot" Poole was deemed quite the cuck himself.)
The main one I think of is Othello, where the (black) title character is tricked into thinking his wife has cheated on him, which makes me wonder if that's where the racial aspect of the fetish came from.Programmed_For_Damage said:
Suffice to say, with that literally being the only place I encountered the word (in high school no less), my reaction to its use as an insult is 'my days of not taking you seriously have come to a middle'
The term cuck has lost all meaning, I saw somebody on /toy/ call a YouTube reviewer a 'cat cuck' either because he owns a cat or because his cat wanders into his videos now and then. Like I don't even know where to begin with that one.
I'm not a habitual user of the term myself, but I'm sure tempted to pick it up every time I come across these kind of disapproval circles. "Only stupid kids use the gross word!" does come across as a sign that it works as intended, "stupid" having overtaken a simple "bad" as a go-to stigma for use on the patronized when they get uppity. So maybe it's better to get in on the game before it inevitably loses its power from overuse.
As for the finer points of meaning, I see it as obviously semantically connected to "cuckoo", a bird that lays its eggs in the nest of another bird and lets the other bird hatch it like a sucker. It seems to be used for people who appear to be hatching ideologies hostile to themselves in their minds in a comparable manner, like self-hating men making a constant ritual display of "checking their privilege". So there's actually quite a perceptive analogy behind the development of this obviously very evocative term that belies simplistic kneejerk dismissals. But then, the knee tends to jerk when a nerve has been tapped.
As for the finer points of meaning, I see it as obviously semantically connected to "cuckoo", a bird that lays its eggs in the nest of another bird and lets the other bird hatch it like a sucker. It seems to be used for people who appear to be hatching ideologies hostile to themselves in their minds in a comparable manner, like self-hating men making a constant ritual display of "checking their privilege". So there's actually quite a perceptive analogy behind the development of this obviously very evocative term that belies simplistic kneejerk dismissals. But then, the knee tends to jerk when a nerve has been tapped.
Both are still used, but '******' has kind of worn down in severity. 'Cuck' is closer to 'beta' or 'pussy' than anything else, since it is used by alt-righters towards neo-cons and 'un-committed' right wingers, as well as the entirety of the left wing.
In more general terms, it's anyone who lets someone step all over them and accept it as being the right thing to be done.
In more general terms, it's anyone who lets someone step all over them and accept it as being the right thing to be done.
It comes up in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales before that (Miller's Tale); from my school days too.Windknight said:
I find that anyone who uses the term to insult someone can be cheerfully discounted as so pointless they win the Coveted Pointless Trophy.
'It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid, than open your mouth and prove you are.'StatusNil said:
Seriously, imitating a child who's learned a swear word and says it over and over because adults gasp when they do isn't exactly the best way to present yourself.
I have the misfortune of working with such a person, once declaring that Israel had thoroughly "cucked" the Palestinians. In response I've taken to referring to him as though he were my teen aged son, which annoys him no end as he's 24.Phasmal said:
The problem with that argument is that there is no logical connection between "your wife is sleeping around" and "you are a traitor/sell out". It is instead an insult to their masculinity, and the idea that you have failed to live up to the accusers fantasy of manly men upholding manly values (that is to say right-wing values).Dreiko said:
