is lollipop chainsaw bastardizing our industry?

[bullet_sandw1ch]

i actually dont believe in the "games are art" movement. i just believe that,after playing this at a friends house, that it isnt even FUN!!! at least if it was fun, it would be worth the stupidity and satire, but its quite boring.

also, i noticed every time i make a thread i screw up my point, and i come off as a jackass. i think ill leave the topic creating to people who dont create an angry mob every time i type.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

She is 18 so no problem there

Even if she was 15, I wouldn't give a shit. If she's a fictional character who actually looks of age (which many do), then it's fine to fetishize her and think she's attractive. People nowadays are too quick to push the paedophile button just because some guy happens to think some girl who happens to be two years shy of legal fucking age is sexy. Or make statistic shit up about men coming out of lap dance bars being more inclined to rape women around the area, 'cos, y'know, obviously all men are hypersexual potential rapists.

 

[goliath6711]

as you may know, suda51 made a game called lollipop chainsaw. it involves a skimpily dressed teen girl killing zombies iwith a chainsaw. she looks pretty much what a drugged up hooker that played basketball would look like. her legs are so long,shes probably taller than 7 ft., and here mini skirt is so short, it might as well be a strip of cloth. it looks stupid, and it makes us look stupid. to prove this, in one point, a person she saves says "i never thought id be saved by someone with such great tits!!" i mean seriously, it makes our industry look stupid, and childish. what do you guys think? do games like this tarnish our already stained image?

P.S., i did not buy this, i just watched videos by people with the same complaint as i, showing the part ive referenced to.

Yes, every game which is created without intellectual merit diminishes the sense that the medium is about intellectual merit to some extent. Same as every dumb action movie does to it's medium, same as every similar book does to it's medium, same as every less educated or intelligent person does to their species, but you have to have the mind of a supervillian to believe this is an inherently bad thing; intellectual merit is not the only important thing in life.

Also, could one argue these games are providing juxtaposition for others perhaps? or even that the fact this kind of wacky game is getting more attention is partly due to it standing out more, and that therefor shows how much more sensible the medium has actually grown?

I know these points have been brought up before, but I'll make them anyway.

Did Machete bring about the degradation of all films?
Did the Spice Girls bring about the degradation of all music? (I was a fan, by the way.)
Did Jersey Shore bring about the degradation of all television?
Did Wanted (the comic) bring about the degradation of all literature?

 

[TheSteeleStrap]

No this is just a wacky hacky slashy thing. 51 just getting in on the zombie action.

 

[Khanht Cope]

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[V8 Ninja]

Suda51 is pretty much the 42 of game development; his existence literally justifies any projects he works on.

EDIT: What I mean is that no, it's not hurting the industry because of Suda51.

 

[DoPo]

i actually dont believe in the "games are art" movement. i just believe that,after playing this at a friends house, that it isnt even FUN!!! at least if it was fun, it would be worth the stupidity and satire, but its quite boring.

Ah I see, So this is just "I didn't like it, so I must demonise it" thing. That's all right just...what's up with this? We see this way to often - it's not enough to say "I didn't like X" in gaming (maybe other media also sufferers, I dunno), no, you have to take it as a personal insult and go at length how horrible it is. Happened with ME3 (A LOT), happened with Diablo 3, happened with lots of other games. Why just yesterday somebody complained that Max Payne 3 had multiplayer in a way that made it sound like it destroyed the game. Several a week before that, a thread about "Skyrim may include adoption, isn't it cool" turned into people basically saying that this one free feature that is optional somehow was destroying the industry. I'm not even exaggarating there - getting adoption into Skyrim was a bad sign for the gaming industry.

And now we have "I played a game and I didn't have fun, is it actively destroying gaming".

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

as you may know, suda51 made a game called lollipop chainsaw. it involves a skimpily dressed teen girl killing zombies iwith a chainsaw. she looks pretty much what a drugged up hooker that played basketball would look like. her legs are so long,shes probably taller than 7 ft., and here mini skirt is so short, it might as well be a strip of cloth. it looks stupid, and it makes us look stupid. to prove this, in one point, a person she saves says "i never thought id be saved by someone with such great tits!!" i mean seriously, it makes our industry look stupid, and childish. what do you guys think? do games like this tarnish our already stained image?

P.S., i did not buy this, i just watched videos by people with the same complaint as i, showing the part ive referenced to.

I think it's hilarious. It's obviously making fun of this aspect of the industry. I think we are better off for it existing, noxious IGN beauty pageants aside... The fact that IGN didn't get the irony is, in itself, funny as hell.

 

[klown]

To quote Susan from one of their podcasts. It's all about intent. Suda51's intent wasn't to make something deep and meaningful. It isn't a Citizen Kane, or a Hamlet. It's a silly game that is meant to be taken as such.

As an industry we are better by having Lollipop chainsaw.

 

[nasteypenguin]

I know these points have been brought up before, but I'll make them anyway.

Did Machete bring about the degradation of all films?
Did the Spice Girls bring about the degradation of all music? (I was a fan, by the way.)
Did Jersey Shore bring about the degradation of all television?
Did Wanted (the comic) bring about the degradation of all literature?

You missed my point. The inclusion of games which have no intellectual merit diminishes to what extent people view the art form as a medium of intellectual merit as a whole; but art is about things other than just intellectual merit, therefor it isn't actually degrading the medium at all.

Hypothetically, if there were absolutely no music genres other than classical symphony type stuff music might be considered an educated man's art, since it requires quite a bit of dedication and know-how. However, the introduction of other musical genres, like the Spice Girls, changes the way music would be seen, it would no longer be viewed as much of a mentally demanding art form, but more about expression through rhythm and lyrics. That kind of thing would be seen as bastardising what music is, because it's degrading the intellectual merit of the art. But you like the Spice Girls! they brought you a trifle of happiness so obviously they were doing something right!

So hopefully you can see how bastardisation in relation to seriousness does not degrade the art form at all, only the way it is viewed by other people.

In gaming context it's kind of the other way around, but you get the idea.

as a footnote; perhaps I am stretching the definition of bastardisation a bit too much, maybe "corrupts" can be used more easily without it needing to have a wholly negative connotation.

 

[lacktheknack]

It has the same effect on video games that Big Tits Zombie has on the film industry. ie: None.

 

[Composer]

You've obviously never played a game by Suda51.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Its a game mocking zombie and sexy tropes. Its the Japanese laughing at us. Nothing more. Stop reading "apocalypse" and "doom of us all" into it, please.
Edit: It doesn't take itself seriously, at least. Western games aren't that much different (replace chainsaw carrying cheerleader with chainsaw carrying space marine), but they take themselves VERY seriously and expect you to do the same.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

as you may know, suda51 made a game called lollipop chainsaw.

yeah, stopped right their. Lollipop Chainsaw was developed by Grasshopper Manufacture and published by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment. If you can not get that basic bit of info right, people are not likely going to read on. For the rest, no not really.

um, if im correct, suda51 is part of grasshopper. i believe hes the founder, as every time grasshopper is brought up, so is he. if you cannot get that basic information right, people are not likely going to read on.

 

[VoidWanderer]

No.

IF anything, and I know I am going to piss people of saying this, but I think slightly different variations of the same battle (COD, MoH, BF) are doing less good than they realize.

LPC is the gamer version of 'Scary Movie'.

And it has the worst tutorial.

Answer the phone, says the game.

I would answer every one of the eight calls I have missed game, it you had told me how to FREAKING DO THAT!!!

And the manual? Hah, religious pamphlets tell you more about God than the manual tells you how to play the damn game.

 

[omega 616]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

 

[automatron]

Short answer: No, it's a parody

Long answer: Lollipop chainsaw is an amazing game. Looking at the box art, yes, it does look pretty bad, but what suda 51's doing in this game is mocking the very things you're arguing about. Is Juliet's dress really short? Yes. It's meant to be. She's an 18yr old high school cheerleader in America. Based off of what I've seen in almost every other types of media, this is the norm. She's basically a mirror image of the typical high school teenage girl. And she's a zombie hunter who uses a bright pink chainsaw and pom-poms. The game is utterly ridiculous and stupid, and that's the point. The game makes fun of itself while doing these things. One of the loading screen text said "Stop looking up her skirt, you perv!!!" It knows that it's silly, and revels into it.

No.

IF anything, and I know I am going to piss people of saying this, but I think slightly different variations of the same battle (COD, MoH, BF) are doing less good than they realize.

LPC is the gamer version of 'Scary Movie'.

And it has the worst tutorial.

Answer the phone, says the game.

I would answer every one of the eight calls I have missed game, it you had told me how to FREAKING DO THAT!!!

And the manual? Hah, religious pamphlets tell you more about God than the manual tells you how to play the damn game.

And yeh, this game has the worst tutorial ever. If I didn't read up on some of the stuff beforehand, I'd have no clue how to do anything

 

[prowll]

Hmm... let me consider...


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Aand pretty much the rest of the thread is right. It's Suda51, taking him seriously is like taking Ron Jeremy seriously as an actor.

Side note, punctuation, grammar... it makes a rant look more thought out. Just saying.

 

[SnakeoilSage]

Yeah, it's creepy the way the game sexualized a high school minor

Not really. The schoolgirl/cheerleader uniform fetish is pretty common. And she doesn't look minor...

*Snerk* It's common yeah, but let's not beat around the (possibly non-existent) bush here: she's in high school, and unless she was held back a few grades, you should feel BAD for not blinking during those 3,000 or so up-skirt shots.

 

[wintercoat]

Yeah, it's creepy the way the game sexualized a high school minor

Not really. The schoolgirl/cheerleader uniform fetish is pretty common. And she doesn't look minor...

*Snerk* It's common yeah, but let's not beat around the (possibly non-existent) bush here: she's in high school, and unless she was held back a few grades, you should feel BAD for not blinking during those 3,000 or so up-skirt shots.

Why should I feel bad? It's illegal to fuck a 16/17 year old, not admire their *ahem* assets. We aren't talking about a child after all.

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