Its hard being a DC fan. (Rant)

[SweetShark]

DC Comics: We have no respect for our Heroes and our fans. Except for Batman.

Not true...
Yes, the Batman in BvS was one of the good things I really liked, but I hope to see in the future equal respect for the other Heroes as well.
Plus I want to see how good is Will Smith as Deadshot. He look so cool. There is still hope.

Well, even Batman they turned into a stone cold murderer, so I don't see how he's getting respect.

He get respect by me, cause the movie showed with a respecful way why Batman become like he is now. The reasons weren't all over your face, which it is refreshing.
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[SweetShark]

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The thing I hate about most regarding Batman v Superman is that how much of a self fufilling prophecy this ended up becoming.

What could have been simply a Man of Steel 2 became this. It started with just bringing in Batman for damage control after the "failure" of Man of Steel. Because sadly and no one wants to admit it, no one likes Superman. If you end up having Superman doing exactly what you expect Superman to do, everyone will complain that he is too OP and too one dimensional to be an interesting character.

Then they showed Wonder Woman and called the movie Dawn of Justice and that title got mocked aswell.

Then Jesse Eisenberg was casted as Lex Luthor and everyone wanted Bryan fuckin Cranston as Lex jsut because he's bald in Breaking Bad

Then one trailer revealed Doomsday which honestly his design does not look as terrible as the earlier concept designs they were going with:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/dea14715627a4c2afc37766c32996806/tumblr_o52bswMSj91rov369o6_1280.jpg

Then the movie comes out and people are treating it as a disaster of Mengele proportions. Even people on youtube who never reviews movies before suddenly reviews it. Appearently the prospect of a Batman and Superman movie was that big.

Honestly I feel none of this would have happened if no one said anything bad about Man of Steel. If no one criticized Man of Steel we would have had a Man of Steel 2 and a stand alone Batman movie.

And now Civil War came out and of course people are saying this is how BvS should have been.

And now I dread the possibility of DC changing the tone and direction of the movies because of that rumor of Snyder and WB having disputes and the directors for DC movies like Flash and Aquaman has left.

No just no keep the tone the way it is other wise if it ends up being exactly like the MCU it will be increadibly redundant I mean there is already a Superhero bubble so why should DC end up looking more like the MCU in the exact tone and look?

I just want my Zack Snyder DC movies because he has talent he knows how to make Comic Boook movies he proclaims he grew up reading comic books and I believe him and he makes action that is 10x better then any movie I have seen in theaters. And he is NOT MICHAEL BAY!!

Its so fuckin unfair that things I really want to see happen is being taken away from me. I want that Justice League movie with Zack Snyder's style and sadly the movie community is against it

its very simple they do great TV shows with good actors who fit the characters, and then don't use them for their movies......and they wonder why they keep getting bad reviews.

I hate the Supergirl TV show. I just find it corny and cliche.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Honestly I feel none of this would have happened if no one said anything bad about Man of Steel. If no one criticized Man of Steel we would have had a Man of Steel 2 and a stand alone Batman movie.

Not criticising Man of Steel is impossible. It's an awful movie, an awful Superman movie and an awful superhero movie. They made MoS the way they did because they wanted the grim and gritty look of Nolan's Batman, the *only* success they've enjoyed in recent years (not surprising since they're the only movies they even made, not including the Green Lantern which everyone will be best to forget ever happened). And it didn't work.

I just want my Zack Snyder DC movies because he has talent he knows how to make Comic Boook movies he proclaims he grew up reading comic books and I believe him and he makes action that is 10x better then any movie I have seen in theaters. And he is NOT MICHAEL BAY!!

You might, but almost everyone else with any taste whatsoever doesn't. Zack Snyder is a talentless filmmaker whose only great movie, Watchmen, was great because of the source material and cast. He makes shit films, Dawn of Justice was awful in every way...it looked awful, sounded awful, had awful pacing, awful storytelling, awful characters, no real plot and went on far too long. The best thing DC could do is get anyone else than Snyder to make an actual good film, and worry about Justice League later, years from now once they've established some characters and a larger, shared universe.

As if George Miller can make a better movie? The same guy that ruined Mad Max?

And you have not read enough comic books if you think MOS is the worst portrayal of Superman ever

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

 

[Thaluikhain]

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Possibly because people keep forgetting he will be in this movie. It's all Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn in tight pants, and Jared Leto giving used condoms to people.

 

[elvor0]

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Now that you mention it, there has been a lack of talk about Will Smith being Deadshot. I don't agree with the casting myself; I'm not exactly fond of Will Smith, I don't think he's bad, I think he just doesn't gel with me, I understand why people like him, he's just not for me and I don't like deviations from characters established race. It could just be that Harley Quinn and Pimp Joker are higher profile complaints and are drawing peoples focus.

Personally I've yet to ever see anyone hate on John Stewart, there are people who prefer Hal(the fools!), but I've never seen any hate for him, or his race.

 

[DefunctTheory]

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

I don't know. It's out there.

I presume it's harder to see because the vocal minority that usually bitches about race switching/black people is being drowned out by the vocal majority screaming for bloody murder at WB over a variety of other issues.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The man rotates the world to reverse time

I really don't understand how anyone believes this is what happened, but I've seen people claim it so many times. He traveled through time because of his super-speed, and while yes this is stupid in and of itself, it is DC canon that he and the Flash can both do this. Supes is not making the Earth rotate backwards, it simply looks that way because time is moving backwards.

On topic though, I agree that it's hard being a DC fan, because we deserve to have better movies than we are receiving right now, movies that show the same love and respect for the source material we do. You don't like Superman, then that's fine. But that doesn't mean that the Superman that so many of us do love should be bastardized in an attempt to be "dark and gritty" but just comes off as dull and constipated. There is no great conspiracy against DC, beyond the one being perpetrated at WB right now. I hear people complain that "everyone just wants them to be like Marvel". Fuck no! I want them to be like DC. And don't tell me that those characters don't work in the form that we love them, because the DCAU proves otherwise.

I love DC. I love Marvel. And I would love even more to have them both with strong and robust movie franchises because that would just push them each to greater heights. I haven't given up on DC yet, but they've got some convincing to do before I'm back on board either.

I love Superman. I am just sad he gets completely overshadowed by Batman which is just wrong because Supes is the face of DC.

Heck I bet Marvel fans hate it when Spiderman gets all the spotlight.

And like I said before I have seen worse portrayals of Superman then this. And no its not just At Earth's End. Look at this panal from Act of God and is also an example of a badly portrayed Wonder Woman:

https://youtu.be/lSrO1puobWQ?t=425

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Now that you mention it, there has been a lack of talk about Will Smith being Deadshot. I don't agree with the casting myself; I'm not exactly fond of Will Smith, I don't think he's bad, I think he just doesn't gel with me, I understand why people like him, he's just not for me and I don't like deviations from characters established race. It could just be that Harley Quinn and Pimp Joker are higher profile complaints and are drawing peoples focus.

Personally I've yet to ever see anyone hate on John Stewart, there are people who prefer Hal(the fools!), but I've never seen any hate for him, or his race.

I am hoping a Green Lantern in this movie is John Stewert because he is just more cooler than Hal Jordan.

I vote Denzel Washington cast as a John Stewert Green Lantern. But I pretty much think its gonna be Jaime Foxx just because he's been very popular recently with the success of Django Unchained.

 

[maninahat]

I think it's hard to be a fan because WB keep making bigger and bigger planes to crash into the mountain. To mix the metaphors, there is probably a nightmarish number of cooks in the kitchen too, all trying to fly the planes by committee.

No, I don't think Disney and Marvel are especially good movie makers, but they are fairly reliable at not completely fucking them up, and churn out enough movies to withstand the odd flop. It should be a good thing that WB are trying to differentiate themselves and not follow Marvel's mould. To start following Marvel's lead now would probably just result in a bunch of bland movies that will be met with indifference.

I suspect they might do better with Suicide Squad, and that they might realise it is time to step away from their iconic characters more often and try out the largely unknown guys. Maybe they should spend less time saying "we must make a Superman movie!" and start saying "oh, hey, this comic left under the sofa is kinda neat, maybe we should do a small project with this?"

 

[Kyrian007]

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Now that you mention it, there has been a lack of talk about Will Smith being Deadshot. I don't agree with the casting myself; I'm not exactly fond of Will Smith, I don't think he's bad, I think he just doesn't gel with me, I understand why people like him, he's just not for me and I don't like deviations from characters established race. It could just be that Harley Quinn and Pimp Joker are higher profile complaints and are drawing peoples focus.

Personally I've yet to ever see anyone hate on John Stewart, there are people who prefer Hal(the fools!), but I've never seen any hate for him, or his race.

I am hoping a Green Lantern in this movie is John Stewert because he is just more cooler than Hal Jordan.

I vote Denzel Washington cast as a John Stewert Green Lantern. But I pretty much think its gonna be Jaime Foxx just because he's been very popular recently with the success of Django Unchained.

I like that choice, but I haven't heard that any Green Lanterns will ever be made a part of the DCU yet. Maybe I just haven't heard the announcement yet (I'm not a fan of the current DCU) And I kind of doubt they would go for Jamie Foxx, as he's Sony's Electro, and Sony's collaborating with Disney/Marvel now.

 

[mduncan50]

I love Superman. I am just sad he gets completely overshadowed by Batman which is just wrong because Supes is the face of DC.

Heck I bet Marvel fans hate it when Spiderman gets all the spotlight.

And like I said before I have seen worse portrayals of Superman then this. And no its not just At Earth's End. Look at this panal from Act of God and is also an example of a badly portrayed Wonder Woman:

https://youtu.be/lSrO1puobWQ?t=425

Just because there have been worse portrayals of Superman does not make this one any better, and I think a big part of why Batman overshadows Superman in the public consciousness right now is the fact that there have been five good or better movies that does the character justice since the last Superman movie to do the same.

He get respect by me, cause the movie showed with a respecful way why Batman become like he is now. The reasons weren't all over your face, which it is refreshing.
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They gave reasons for why Batman is the way he is in the movie, however these are things that happened in the comics as well without causing him to throw away his ethics, so I'm not sure how far it really goes to justify his actions.

 

[Kyrian007]

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

I don't know. It's out there.

I presume it's harder to see because the vocal minority that usually bitches about race switching/black people is being drowned out by the vocal majority screaming for bloody murder at WB over a variety of other issues.

Couldn't have said it better. I wish I just had a blind spot where that kind of racial stuff just didn't register and I didn't notice it.

I was actually kind of hopeful at first for Suicide Squad. Just like I was about Man of Steel and BvS. It's kind of a pattern with the current DC verse. I love the idea and the initial news. Then every time a new news item or trailer comes out... it looks a little more and more like someone is making really stupid decisions. And before long I'm seeing "trainwreck incoming." I'm hoping Suicide Squad will be good, but the babytalk dumb dialogue in the current trailers isn't making me confident.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Now that you mention it, there has been a lack of talk about Will Smith being Deadshot. I don't agree with the casting myself; I'm not exactly fond of Will Smith, I don't think he's bad, I think he just doesn't gel with me, I understand why people like him, he's just not for me and I don't like deviations from characters established race. It could just be that Harley Quinn and Pimp Joker are higher profile complaints and are drawing peoples focus.

Personally I've yet to ever see anyone hate on John Stewart, there are people who prefer Hal(the fools!), but I've never seen any hate for him, or his race.

I am hoping a Green Lantern in this movie is John Stewert because he is just more cooler than Hal Jordan.

I vote Denzel Washington cast as a John Stewert Green Lantern. But I pretty much think its gonna be Jaime Foxx just because he's been very popular recently with the success of Django Unchained.

I agree with you, John Stewart all the way to the bank. Not only do I like him more then Hal, but it would be a convenient switch considering the problems they had with the Green Lantern movie. Why go out of your way to reboot a character when you can just ignore it and use another one?

Of course, the fact that it's a good idea pretty much guarantees it will never happen.

Spoiler

Fans don't HATE the character Green Lantern (any iteration, except for the racists bashing John Stewart,) .

Woah, there are John Stewart haters? I've yet to encounter that. John Stewart is the best Lantern!

Yup, it's sad. They're the ones that whine and cry about the John Stewart version being featured in the Justice League cartoon instead of any of the Caucasian lanterns. They try and say it isn't about race... and then they scream about it just being done to make sure that more than just whites are represented.

Or something, or other. They're racists, always going on about something stupid or another. And it was an oversimplification, there are plenty of Kyle Rainer haters out there, and a contingent of Guy Gardner haters as well. But was it for the most part, the movie the people hated. Not the character which is (regardless of iteration) one of the most iconic and loved characters in the DC stable.

If this is the case, why I don't see haters for Will Smith as Deadshot as well? I am so blind I don't see this "hate" around?

Now that you mention it, there has been a lack of talk about Will Smith being Deadshot. I don't agree with the casting myself; I'm not exactly fond of Will Smith, I don't think he's bad, I think he just doesn't gel with me, I understand why people like him, he's just not for me and I don't like deviations from characters established race. It could just be that Harley Quinn and Pimp Joker are higher profile complaints and are drawing peoples focus.

Personally I've yet to ever see anyone hate on John Stewart, there are people who prefer Hal(the fools!), but I've never seen any hate for him, or his race.

I am hoping a Green Lantern in this movie is John Stewert because he is just more cooler than Hal Jordan.

I vote Denzel Washington cast as a John Stewert Green Lantern. But I pretty much think its gonna be Jaime Foxx just because he's been very popular recently with the success of Django Unchained.

I like that choice, but I haven't heard that any Green Lanterns will ever be made a part of the DCU yet. Maybe I just haven't heard the announcement yet (I'm not a fan of the current DCU) And I kind of doubt they would go for Jamie Foxx, as he's Sony's Electro, and Sony's collaborating with Disney/Marvel now.

No announcements that a Green Lantern is being included. They have, however, discussed the idea with the public, enough to make it clear they'd reboot the character (Of course, that's mandatory now, considering the actor that played Hal has moved on to bigger and much better things).

A random question to all - How would people feel about a new female Green Lantern for the movies? You wouldn't have to gender bend or anything, just a brand new (Human) character with a ring (Or dig up one of the old, I believe defunct female ones from the comics).

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

 

[Kyrian007]

No announcements that a Green Lantern is being included. They have, however, discussed the idea with the public, enough to make it clear they'd reboot the character (Of course, that's mandatory now, considering the actor that played Hal has moved on to bigger and much better things).

A random question to all - How would people feel about a new female Green Lantern for the movies? You wouldn't have to gender bend or anything, just a brand new (Human) character with a ring (Or dig up one of the old, I believe defunct female ones from the comics).

I like it. Or, why not? Give anybody a ring and they're a Green Lantern so who cares who it is. In fact if they are still gunshy about the whole Green Lantern thing after the moviebomb... going such a new direction actually makes lots of sense.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Also I like how you use that one image of New 52 superman to paint him as an angsty asshole. And not show images like this:

Christ that was one my least favourite directions in New52. He's still an angsty asshole who thanks to the greatest superpower of all (the writer's favour) has punched well above his fucking weight in terms of romantic partners. Mind I'm bias against Superman and Wonder Woman as a romantic couple so take that statement for what it is.

I'm the opposite. Its a Romance that was meant to be. More so then Batman x Wonder Woman.

Batman's one true pairing is Catwoman.

I'm a fan of juxtaposition (if that's the right word) but I was also brought into DC by Justice League and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm were banging that drum to a charming beat.

As far as I'm concerned, the only romantic pairings in the DC universe worth time paying attention to are Wonder Woman/Batman, Hawk Girl/John Stewart, and The Question/Huntress.

 

[Cicada 5]

I can respect that view Stewie, but for me and most people I talk to - it just comes off as not killing someone ONLY because their moms share the same name. It feels hollow as the movie didn't really touch on Batman viewing Supes as less than human but rather simply a murderer. Or worse, a God which would give his mission an air of superiority complex. One that once he saw Supes as human he lost the thrill of killing something more powerful than himself. The point seems so vague to me that I can spin it however I want it as the movie doesn't reinforce any of these concepts.

Bruce (to Alfred): He [Superman] has the power to wipe out billions. If there is even a 1% chance that he is our enemy we have to treat it as an absolute certainty.

In addition to this dialogue, there's also Bruce being present during the events of MoS, the Knightmare sequence and the party where he expresses his less than impressed opinion about Superman. It's all there in the movie.

 

[Cicada 5]

the big problem with dc is just that they want what marvel has, and want it right fucking now. but marvel built it up over time. each movie added bits of interconnectivity without loosing focus on the movie at hand. then avengers tied it all together.
dc just wants to start with the avengers, but that doesnt work. avengers might not have floped, but it would be FAR away from its success if the other movies to build the characters didnt come first.
the buildup of the fight between sups and bats was just bad. i kinda can see batmans point being afraid of a godlike creature that destroyed a city while saying it fights for justice. but why does superman hate batman? he does the exact same thing as batman. superman killed the guy that threatened lois in the beginning (you cant tell me you can survive beeing kicked through a stonewall like that and live). and all he seems to care about is his image and lois. having lex "jr" to force him to fight batman was just a reaction of poor buildup of motivation.
in my opinion it would have been much better if superman had a real reason to fight batman and the threat of doomsday overshadowing their fight so they have to cooperate to beat him.
also, why the fuck did superman use the spear? wouldnt it have been much easier to give the spear to wonderwoman? a superhero that seems just as strong as himself but isnt weakened by superman?

and dont get me startet on the whole death of superman premis..... as if he would stay dead after 2 movies. his death might have had an impact after the whole justice league got established and all fight some cracy villain together. but like this its jsut too comicbookcliche.

so, the studio should change their way of buildup. build characters first, not the roster. but sadly, they will just see it floped (critically) and think its cause of the tone

Superman did not destroy the city, that was entirely Zod. Bruce is merely using him as a scapegoat. Superman's issue with Batman is he's an unhinged vigilante who brands his enemies. As for Superman, he states he hasn't killed anyone since the first film and with the way Superman moved it's possible he survived and it's never mentioned he was killed. Keep in mind superhero films have even human characters survive the most absurd injuries all the time.

Superman's death isn't any more ridiculous than Thor's which lasted all of five seconds in his first film.