Will Smith is a fucking terrible choice for Deadshot. There is no hope. No hope.SweetShark said:
Its hard being a DC fan. (Rant)
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Yes, please keep any Civil War discussion in spoilers please. I'm not going to be able to see it until tomorrow evening and it makes it really hard to read the thread if I need to skip over large numbers of posts. Thank you. 
OT: I've seen both MoS and BvS and would rate both of them somewhere in the range of 6-7 out of 10. They are okay movies, but they both have some missteps, BvS particularly. Missteps can be overlooked in the case where a movie is just fun or enjoyable as well. This is something the first Iron Man managed, as I felt the ending was rather weak but everything else they did in the film was pure gold to me, so I was able to overlook the weak ending.
BvS, however, while having some very strong elements that could have led up to a fantastic film failed to incorporate things into a coherent whole. Too much foreshadowing of things to come in future films rather than dealing with the events and characters of the current film. Poor execution and development of subplots and character motivation. And probably the biggest problem I had with the film was the entirely pointless reason for the fight between Superman and Batman.
As a whole, the movie just felt lazily written. There were good moments. Affleck did a great job as Batman, Eisenberg had some moments of genius as Lex (though he totally annoyed me the rest of the time), and they really did touch on some great themes. They just didn't follow up on them to the end, making them fall flat or just feel shoehorned in. I wanted these films to be great, as I have no particular loyalty to DC or Marvel and find the fanboy wars to be some of the dumbest things possible, but it's just fact that Marvel is doing a better job with their Cinematic Universe than DC at this time.
OT: I've seen both MoS and BvS and would rate both of them somewhere in the range of 6-7 out of 10. They are okay movies, but they both have some missteps, BvS particularly. Missteps can be overlooked in the case where a movie is just fun or enjoyable as well. This is something the first Iron Man managed, as I felt the ending was rather weak but everything else they did in the film was pure gold to me, so I was able to overlook the weak ending.
BvS, however, while having some very strong elements that could have led up to a fantastic film failed to incorporate things into a coherent whole. Too much foreshadowing of things to come in future films rather than dealing with the events and characters of the current film. Poor execution and development of subplots and character motivation. And probably the biggest problem I had with the film was the entirely pointless reason for the fight between Superman and Batman.
Lex has Martha Kent kidnapped and held hostage somewhere, and she'll be killed in an hour (if I remember correctly) unless Superman kills Batman and brings his head to Lex. Yet the movie established that Superman could detect when Lois was in any danger and come to her aid in seconds. It was previously established that he can hear cries for help from the stratosphere. You mean to tell me he could not find his mom in a matter of minutes, disable the men holding her in seconds, and having rescued her go back for Luthor?
Even if he couldn't do that, why not try actually talking to the obviously prepared Batman from the safety of the air rather than land and walk towards him in a menacing fashion? Just a few words to the effect of, "Lex Luthor is holding my mother hostage. I need your help to save her," would have done most of the humanizing of him that Batman needed to see and would have been a much more believable thing for Superman to do.
No, they just wanted to rip off the biggest portions of The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman, so logic and characterization goes out the window.
Even if he couldn't do that, why not try actually talking to the obviously prepared Batman from the safety of the air rather than land and walk towards him in a menacing fashion? Just a few words to the effect of, "Lex Luthor is holding my mother hostage. I need your help to save her," would have done most of the humanizing of him that Batman needed to see and would have been a much more believable thing for Superman to do.
No, they just wanted to rip off the biggest portions of The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman, so logic and characterization goes out the window.
As a whole, the movie just felt lazily written. There were good moments. Affleck did a great job as Batman, Eisenberg had some moments of genius as Lex (though he totally annoyed me the rest of the time), and they really did touch on some great themes. They just didn't follow up on them to the end, making them fall flat or just feel shoehorned in. I wanted these films to be great, as I have no particular loyalty to DC or Marvel and find the fanboy wars to be some of the dumbest things possible, but it's just fact that Marvel is doing a better job with their Cinematic Universe than DC at this time.
I was talking more they had a perfect lex and a good clark in smallville used nether, have a great flash have flat out said they wont use that actor in any movies they may do with the character, and of corse they wont use the guy from arrow if they make a green arrow movie. see things like that make me think DC is ran by morons, as to super girl, don't care one way or another on super girl never really liked the character.Samtemdo8 said:I hate the Supergirl TV show. I just find it corny and cliche.ecoho said:its very simple they do great TV shows with good actors who fit the characters, and then don't use them for their movies......and they wonder why they keep getting bad reviews.Samtemdo8 said:The thing I hate about most regarding Batman v Superman is that how much of a self fufilling prophecy this ended up becoming.
What could have been simply a Man of Steel 2 became this. It started with just bringing in Batman for damage control after the "failure" of Man of Steel. Because sadly and no one wants to admit it, no one likes Superman. If you end up having Superman doing exactly what you expect Superman to do, everyone will complain that he is too OP and too one dimensional to be an interesting character.
Then they showed Wonder Woman and called the movie Dawn of Justice and that title got mocked aswell.
Then Jesse Eisenberg was casted as Lex Luthor and everyone wanted Bryan fuckin Cranston as Lex jsut because he's bald in Breaking Bad
Then one trailer revealed Doomsday which honestly his design does not look as terrible as the earlier concept designs they were going with:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/dea14715627a4c2afc37766c32996806/tumblr_o52bswMSj91rov369o6_1280.jpg
Then the movie comes out and people are treating it as a disaster of Mengele proportions. Even people on youtube who never reviews movies before suddenly reviews it. Appearently the prospect of a Batman and Superman movie was that big.
Honestly I feel none of this would have happened if no one said anything bad about Man of Steel. If no one criticized Man of Steel we would have had a Man of Steel 2 and a stand alone Batman movie.
And now Civil War came out and of course people are saying this is how BvS should have been.
And now I dread the possibility of DC changing the tone and direction of the movies because of that rumor of Snyder and WB having disputes and the directors for DC movies like Flash and Aquaman has left.
No just no keep the tone the way it is other wise if it ends up being exactly like the MCU it will be increadibly redundant I mean there is already a Superhero bubble so why should DC end up looking more like the MCU in the exact tone and look?
I just want my Zack Snyder DC movies because he has talent he knows how to make Comic Boook movies he proclaims he grew up reading comic books and I believe him and he makes action that is 10x better then any movie I have seen in theaters. And he is NOT MICHAEL BAY!!
Its so fuckin unfair that things I really want to see happen is being taken away from me. I want that Justice League movie with Zack Snyder's style and sadly the movie community is against it
I honestly don't see why video games would be considered shitty art. Literature can give you a story. Cinema adds visuals to that story. Video games add viewer interaction and decision making. Literature is simply a part of what makes up video games. If someone has only only played games that are shitty art, then that is their fault for playing shitty video games.Charcharo said:Well... you had a nice day.mduncan50 said:
Any reason why it is dumb?
Is it an agressive post? Yes it is, not that I think that is bad, but still... the person is venting. He dont need that.
Are video games an inferior medium (ATM)? Yes, they are. Anyone claiming otherwise is ... not really a gamer IMHO.
Is my own comment a bit jaded (where I think your issues is coming from)? Yes, but hey, such is the internet.
Do you want moviegate? Because this is how you get moviegate.Samtemdo8 said:[snip]
Honestly I feel none of this would have happened if no one said anything bad about Man of Steel.
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Its so fuckin unfair that things I really want to see happen is being taken away from me. I want that Justice League movie with Zack Snyder's style and sadly the movie community is against it
I'm a Marvel and DC fan and on the Marvel side I am actually tired of nearly every X-Man movie being focused on Wolverine.Samtemdo8 said:
Really. You follow up 'video games are inherently inferior art' with a 'no true gamer' statement. I'm not even sure how to respond to that, other then with a sad sigh.Charcharo said:mduncan50 said:
Well... you had a nice day.
Any reason why it is dumb?
Is it an agressive post? Yes it is, not that I think that is bad, but still... the person is venting. He dont need that.
Are video games an inferior medium (ATM)? Yes, they are. Anyone claiming otherwise is ... not really a gamer IMHO.
Is my own comment a bit jaded (where I think your issues is coming from)? Yes, but hey, such is the internet.
While it's true that trailers can lie, from what I've seen, Deadshot isn't in this movie. Will Smith is, starring as Will Smith. Which is pretty bad.Kenbo Slice said:
Sums up my feelings. I don't see Deadshot, I see Will Smith.AccursedTheory said:Really. You follow up 'video games are inherently inferior art' with a 'no true gamer' statement. I'm not even sure how to respond to that, other then with a sad sigh.Charcharo said:mduncan50 said:
Well... you had a nice day.
Any reason why it is dumb?
Is it an agressive post? Yes it is, not that I think that is bad, but still... the person is venting. He dont need that.
Are video games an inferior medium (ATM)? Yes, they are. Anyone claiming otherwise is ... not really a gamer IMHO.
Is my own comment a bit jaded (where I think your issues is coming from)? Yes, but hey, such is the internet.
While it's true that trailers can lie, from what I've seen, Deadshot isn't in this movie. Will Smith is, starring as Will Smith. Which is pretty bad.Kenbo Slice said:
I think it's great casting.AccursedTheory said:
Deadshot: A man who does things people don't like and cares for his childern.
Will Smith: A man who does things people don't like and cares for his children.
YMMV on each description but I see a parallel.
EDIT: snipped some extra text.
Considering everything I've read on comparing the books with the games puts them in the same ball park of quality (At least), story wise, plus the games are interactive, that's a pretty poor example for 'video games are worse then books.'Charcharo said:Is this so hard...AccursedTheory said:Really. You follow up 'video games are inherently inferior art' with a 'no true gamer' statement. I'm not even sure how to respond to that, other then with a sad sigh.Charcharo said:mduncan50 said:
Well... you had a nice day.
Any reason why it is dumb?
Is it an agressive post? Yes it is, not that I think that is bad, but still... the person is venting. He dont need that.
Are video games an inferior medium (ATM)? Yes, they are. Anyone claiming otherwise is ... not really a gamer IMHO.
Is my own comment a bit jaded (where I think your issues is coming from)? Yes, but hey, such is the internet.
While it's true that trailers can lie, from what I've seen, Deadshot isn't in this movie. Will Smith is, starring as Will Smith. Which is pretty bad.Kenbo Slice said:
I NEVER said they are !inherently inferior! Do not put words in my mouth please. It is dishonest and insulting.
We are however 100 years too early to claim anything on the level of what the other art forms have ever achieved. Our finest is middling. It is that simple.
Want to see it easily? Compare the Witcher 3, IMHO the second best game ever made to its original work (so we have remediation, easier to compare) - the Witcher books.
Sorry...I will stop talking about Civil War.AccursedTheory said:
But to be honest I was talking about only for minor things from the movie, nothing Major. I hope to have fun with the movie.
I actually love BvS.
I don't get some of the criticisms (a lot of people say that it was too dark and depressing, it actually has a lot of humor, it's just more subtle than goofy one liners from Marvel movies).
Good acting, good action, good visuals, good effects, decent atmosphere, so-so story (Lois Lane, for example, if she was removed from the movie then nothing would be lost) but it's not like the Marvel movies have great stories either.
I like that it's a bit more serious and realistic than the MCU.
Batman is like a billionaire James Bond and his upcoming solo movie will probably be kick ass.
Suicide Squad also looks promising, it might be DC's Guardians of the Galaxy (darker but still the most light hearted of the DC movies).
SPOILERS AHEAD
I like the fact that Superman got taken out for now because when the solo movies will come out, the audience won't be asking "So, why wont't Superman take care of this?"
He will be back, possibly evil at first and that might also be interesting.
END OF SPOILERS
I used to be really into Batman and Superman as a kid and, in my personal opinion, BvS is the shit.
I think that people will warm up to it a lot more in the future.
I want to see the R rated 3 hour version when it comes out.
I don't get some of the criticisms (a lot of people say that it was too dark and depressing, it actually has a lot of humor, it's just more subtle than goofy one liners from Marvel movies).
Good acting, good action, good visuals, good effects, decent atmosphere, so-so story (Lois Lane, for example, if she was removed from the movie then nothing would be lost) but it's not like the Marvel movies have great stories either.
I like that it's a bit more serious and realistic than the MCU.
Batman is like a billionaire James Bond and his upcoming solo movie will probably be kick ass.
Suicide Squad also looks promising, it might be DC's Guardians of the Galaxy (darker but still the most light hearted of the DC movies).
SPOILERS AHEAD
I like the fact that Superman got taken out for now because when the solo movies will come out, the audience won't be asking "So, why wont't Superman take care of this?"
He will be back, possibly evil at first and that might also be interesting.
END OF SPOILERS
I used to be really into Batman and Superman as a kid and, in my personal opinion, BvS is the shit.
I think that people will warm up to it a lot more in the future.
I want to see the R rated 3 hour version when it comes out.
So says you. And since I know you've been wrong before (I am, actually, a 'real' gamer), I'm not inclined to believe you over the other comparisons I've read.Charcharo said:AccursedTheory said:Considering everything I've read on comparing the books with the games puts them in the same ball park of quality (At least), story wise, plus the games are interactive, that's a pretty poor example for 'video games are worse then books.'Charcharo said:Is this so hard...AccursedTheory said:Really. You follow up 'video games are inherently inferior art' with a 'no true gamer' statement. I'm not even sure how to respond to that, other then with a sad sigh.Charcharo said:mduncan50 said:
Well... you had a nice day.
Any reason why it is dumb?
Is it an agressive post? Yes it is, not that I think that is bad, but still... the person is venting. He dont need that.
Are video games an inferior medium (ATM)? Yes, they are. Anyone claiming otherwise is ... not really a gamer IMHO.
Is my own comment a bit jaded (where I think your issues is coming from)? Yes, but hey, such is the internet.
While it's true that trailers can lie, from what I've seen, Deadshot isn't in this movie. Will Smith is, starring as Will Smith. Which is pretty bad.Kenbo Slice said:
I NEVER said they are !inherently inferior! Do not put words in my mouth please. It is dishonest and insulting.
We are however 100 years too early to claim anything on the level of what the other art forms have ever achieved. Our finest is middling. It is that simple.
Want to see it easily? Compare the Witcher 3, IMHO the second best game ever made to its original work (so we have remediation, easier to compare) - the Witcher books.
Well... short answer is nope.
The difference in quality is ... quite huge. And it is not in the game's favor.
Not according to you.Charcharo said:
Charcharo said:
Before a tree fall robbed me of a lot of my collection, I had, at least, a literal ton of books. But yes, because I haven't read one series, I'm not well read. I knew I should have read the Witcher series, rather then the Divine Comedy, Grant's Memoirs, and Sagan.
I think I'll trust some analysis for the time being. I have been falling a bit behind in my reading, and I have quite a few sci-fi and popular science books to chew through before diving into a new series. Particularly one suggested to me by someone who claims I'm not a real gamer, and that I'm poorly read because I disagree with him.
Because it's a piss poor representation of beloved characters? Superman straight up kills a guy 2 minutes into the film and Batman spends the whole movie murdering. The editing was shit, the visuals were okay to piss-poor. The lighting was awful for a lot of scenes. The Justice League e-mail cameo was pants on head retarded. Eisenberg was awful. Also, Superman acts just like Batman now which takes away any dynamic they can have together. Only Batman gets to mope around, not Superman. Snyder is a hack. Goyer should be fired and banned from writing any comic book movies ever again. I really fucking hate that movie.Vanilla ISIS said:
I think I may have missed the passive part of that post...FileTrekker said:
So much this. I can't help but laugh when people defending this movie say it is too "adult and complex" for us normal people to understand since we're used to "kiddie movies" from Marvel. Being grimdark and humorless about everything is not adult, it is teenaged goth at best, and there is little complexity to these two murdering vigilantes that are upset that the other is a murdering vigilante so they try to murder each other. That is laughably bad without adding the fact that it is Batman and Superman that they turned into the murdering vigilantes. There is more adult motivations and complex storytelling in Civil War than there is in the collected works of Goyer and Snyder. Yes there are jokes. I'll let you in on a little secret that I figured out as an adult. We still like making jokes. Believe it or not, we even like having fun from time to time.Kenbo Slice said:
I know a guy who claims these films have actually made Superman an interesting character. I told him read some comics because Superman is actually a very interesting character. In some ways I find him more complex than Batman. People claim that Suicide Squad looks fun, but to me it really doesn't. It's just going to be edgy bullshit to sell merchandise at Hot Topic.mduncan50 said: