One of my favorite Critical Miss comics in quite some time! The point is spot-on, pop culture loves to romanticize the hell out of groups, organisations and people that aren't nearly as appealing as fantasies can make them seem.
The slave owning states wanted slavery to expand, not to protect their own right to own slaves. The slaver extremists wanted California to split so that slavery will prevail in Souther California, knowing that the majority of Californians wanted to abolish slavery. Their whole argument was economic and ideological, that slavery is awesome and needs to expand. Then, the Southerners wanted to ban Northern sates who did not accept slavery to return all slaves who ran there for refuge. I'm sorry, but just because weed is legal in Colorado does not mean you can go across state lines, have it confiscated as an illegal substance, then demand that it be returned to you when you are in Colorado again. Hence, they infringed on states' rights of the North to push their agenda. Then they used voter fraud in a couple of situation to get their way.Kalezian said:Zombie Badger said:Hell, many Americans glorify the side that fought for the right to own black people and hang their flag outside their houses.Zachary Amaranth said:But then again, Americans have been re-enacting the Civil War since about two weeks after the last shots were fired, so who am I to judge?
....... okay, let me break it down for you.
The Civil War was not about the right of slavery.
Slavery was a side effect of the reasons of the American Civil War. The reason it was fought was because the Confederates believed the federal government did not have the right to press federal laws onto the states.
this still happens as well. look at any 'groundbreaking' law passed in the last 20 or 30 years and how many states file suit against the federal government in order to block various laws such as the Affordable Healthcare act and the various Defense of Marriage act laws that were passed since it's creation.
The main difference though is the confederates during the civil war actually stood up for what they believed was right instead of sitting on their couch being angry at nothing and not having the balls to actually fight for it.
*sigh* Yeah. I live in Maryland (i.e. a region that probably would have seceded had it been given the chance). This means that I occasionally encounter what you're describing. Recently this took the form of spotting a car with a pair of flags attached to its windows. Now, in this area you're most likely to see Redskins flags adorning cars (burgundy and gold; also a problem for similar but different reasons than being discussed here), some Orioles flags (black and orange) and maybe a few Baltimore Ravens flags (purple and black) with a rare Washington Capitals flag (red, white and blue) popping up. I have yet to see a Washington Nationals (red and white) or Washington Wizards (stupid name; red, white and blue). The flags in questions where red, white and blue. So, any way as I'm getting closer to the car I'm thinking "Please be Capitals flags" (the most likely of the red, white and blue options). Nope, confederate flags. Goddammit.Zombie Badger said:Hell, many Americans glorify the side that fought for the right to own black people and hang their flag outside their houses.Zachary Amaranth said:But then again, Americans have been re-enacting the Civil War since about two weeks after the last shots were fired, so who am I to judge?
I think a lot of the issues concerning America's past is in part because folks tend to whack us upside the head with it whenever they get the chance (not talking of contemporary history). Its a sore spot for some of us, akin to taking potshots at modern day Germans because of the Nazis. I believe fully in remembering the past so we don't make the same mistakes, but holding it against folks who weren't even alive then is a bit much. The only way to move forward is to leave previous steps behind, and so.Imp Emissary said:Don't get worn, I like Japan, and I have German ancestry, so it's not like I hate them all for these mistakes of their pasts. It would just be nice if they were more upfront about it.
Then again, America has similar issues with some of it's citizens not wanting to admit the country did some terrible terrible thing in it's past too. Some just as if not more recent than WW2.
Hell, we still have people who try to say the civil war[sub](sidenote: that's an ironic thing to call a war)[/sub] wasn't about slavery. ;p
If slavery had not existed then what issue would they have seceded over?Kalezian said:Zombie Badger said:Hell, many Americans glorify the side that fought for the right to own black people and hang their flag outside their houses.Zachary Amaranth said:But then again, Americans have been re-enacting the Civil War since about two weeks after the last shots were fired, so who am I to judge?
....... okay, let me break it down for you.
The Civil War was not about the right of slavery.
Slavery was a side effect of the reasons of the American Civil War. The reason it was fought was because the Confederates believed the federal government did not have the right to press federal laws onto the states.
Sounds like a job for James Cameron, really. I mean, he used the sinking of the Titanic as the backdrop for a trite love story and it became one of the highest grossing motion pictures of all time.jhoroz said:We should just fetishise the Hiroshima bombing. Then they'll see how disgusting and insensitive this really is.
A dating sim where your love interest is the Enola Gay pilot and you convince him to drop the bomb through the power of lovvvvvvve!jhoroz said:We should just fetishise the Hiroshima bombing. Then they'll see how disgusting and insensitive this really is.
How I Loved To Stop Worrying and Love The Hiroshima BombZombie Badger said:A dating sim where your love interest is the Enola Gay pilot and you convince him to drop the bomb through the power of lovvvvvvve!jhoroz said:We should just fetishise the Hiroshima bombing. Then they'll see how disgusting and insensitive this really is.
Hahahahahaha, this strip was hilarious and this thread is the same. Its funny because its true ^^Daystar Clarion said:Next up, My Little Third Reich, where the Nazi 6 discover that friendship and genocide go hand in hand.
Let me stop you right there.Kalezian said:....... okay, let me break it down for you.
The Civil War was not about the right of slavery.
They don't need to flog themselves daily over it, but keep it in memory as a cautionary tale. Put side by side with a message that if we remember our mistakes, we can move forward and do better.Imperioratorex Caprae said:I think a lot of the issues concerning America's past is in part because folks tend to whack us upside the head with it whenever they get the chance (not talking of contemporary history). Its a sore spot for some of us, akin to taking potshots at modern day Germans because of the Nazis. I believe fully in remembering the past so we don't make the same mistakes, but holding it against folks who weren't even alive then is a bit much. The only way to move forward is to leave previous steps behind, and so.Imp Emissary said:Don't get worn, I like Japan, and I have German ancestry, so it's not like I hate them all for these mistakes of their pasts. It would just be nice if they were more upfront about it.
Then again, America has similar issues with some of it's citizens not wanting to admit the country did some terrible terrible thing in it's past too. Some just as if not more recent than WW2.
Hell, we still have people who try to say the civil war[sub](sidenote: that's an ironic thing to call a war)[/sub] wasn't about slavery. ;p
Also there are other things that happened to cause the Civil War along with the abolition of slavery. It was about economy and such, which the slave trade was a part of. I feel that the other issues get glossed over because of how big an issue the civil rights part was, but it wasn't the whole. However there are some people who only see those issues as well. Me, I try to see the bigger picture of things, because its never just one thing that causes these type of events, its a cascade effect sparked by a lot of issues coming to a head.
I'm also of German descent, having family that came over here post WWI.
Yeah America has done some f'ed up things, Japan too. If you really want to look back in historical terms, I don't think there are many countries that don't have some messed up practices in their past. Maybe a handful, if that.
Japan has always had an ego though, one that befits a country at least 3x their size... which is possibly an unconscious reason people make small-dick jokes about them.
I'd like it if the world at large could take responsibility for each nation's history and make a pact to move forward without (and I really detest the term) whitewashing over the bad parts while at the same time stop trying to come across as better-than. We're all human at our core, no matter what our cultures, races, etc. We're all part of one friggin' planet and the sooner we realize we're all in this together, that our differences aren't really so different, we breathe the same bleed the same, have similar needs and desires however we apply them.
Sometimes I think we need some extraterrestrial threat to come about to bind us together and make us realize that political stance, religion, race, gender, sexual orientation don't matter a hill of beans because none of it makes us better, just diverse. And if we don't get it together we'll have no future.
I don't know if I have much of a point, just a hope and probably misguided faith that we have it in us to do better, to do right by each other even if we don't like each other or agree on everything.
okay, let me break it down for you.Kalezian said:Zombie Badger said:Hell, many Americans glorify the side that fought for the right to own black people and hang their flag outside their houses.Zachary Amaranth said:But then again, Americans have been re-enacting the Civil War since about two weeks after the last shots were fired, so who am I to judge?
....... okay, let me break it down for you.
The Civil War was not about the right of slavery.
Slavery was a side effect of the reasons of the American Civil War. The reason it was fought was because the Confederates
uHM i'M pretty certain it long since and already is. Albeit he's a "nice" nazi.Imperioratorex Caprae said:That should never be a thing, but sadly one day it probably will be...
Also, future Suchong is still a meatbag, how cute.