It's Time To Forgive George Lucas

[Lazarus Long]

What prequels? There haven't been any Star Wars films since 1983. Seriously, I am not personally offended by the lame spectacles and endless meddling. Greedo shooting first didn't ruin my life. It did seem to be a serious attempt to ruin a great movie, but it didn't hurt my feelings.
I don't hate Lucas. I just don't respect the man any more.
EDIT: The ghost of Sebastian Shaw, however, has every right to loathe him.

 

[lodo_bear]

Relevant link: The Complex and Terrifying Reality of Star Wars Fandom [http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=3381]. Don't forget to read the follow-up [http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=25600] too.

I loved the prequels the first time around, but they've since soured. They were swell rides, but they lack replay value for me.

On related notes, I have never seen Crystal Skull and have no intention of doing so, and I love the new Star Trek film.

 

[spartan773]

i kind of gave up after a while of thinking... star wars has lost all appeal to me. =/

 

[chris11246]

I liked all the star wars movies and I didnt think that the last Indiana Jones was all that bad(although I havent seen any others). I dont understand why everyone hates him so much theres much worse stuff out there.

 

[mezmerizer02]

I will never forgive George Lucas for Star Wars Episodes: I and II. They were horrible. The only thing that was nice was to see Samuel Jackson in them. Nor will I forgive him for ruining E.T.

 

[wolf thing]

i forgave him. its only episode 1 i hate the other i like

 

[Doug]

Whilst I think he has become a god awful director now (curse you for Indy 4!) I never actually took out my 'Lucas hate' beyond the odd bitching about him on forums.

I just wish he was the director he used to be, and LucasArts wasn't the pile of urine it has become.

 

[NickCooley]

Personally I've liked all the Star Wars films I've seen. The original trilogy and the prequels. But even if you don't like them there's nothing to "forgive" you just didn't like the fucking movie. If it means so much to you I suggest therapy or a noose because your life must be pretty shitty.

 

[Doug]

Dont have a problem with the Star Wars prequels, but Indiana Jones IV... Way to rape a franchise mr. Lucas... Aliens? really?

To be fair, this reaction is very typical because most people missed the fact that Crystal Skull is supposed to be based on the 50's sci fi B movies, in the same way that the originals were based on 30's adventure movies. Quite frankly I thought this change was the most interesting thing about the movie.

That said, I won't be claiming it to be a good movie. But I will note that, nostalgia goggles aside, it wasn't worse (or at least significantly so) than Temple of Doom.

Well, to be honest, Indy 4 wasn't as bad as I feared - it certainly had some of the Indy feel to it and all, but I really felt it was a bad movie, and the aliens only made it worse.

Also, I dunno why everyone hated the Temple of Doom - I thought it was alright myself.

 

[manythings]

Well I'm not one of the first "Star Wars" generation but I can't see myself forgiving in the sense that I wrote him off as a half-talent who got lucky and super hyped. Prepare yourselves;

THE FIRST TRILOGY WAS OK, BUT NOT AWESOME!

Seriously, I've watched them at several points in my life and I can't watch them anymore. They make me cringe. They aren't horrible but they aren't A gold plated Messiah of your choice either. The second trilogy just kind of proved that it was the audience that made Star Wars a success not the originator. I have just put him in the same place as Spielberg and Coppolla, Too rich and successful for people to work up some courage and say "No George/Steven/Francis, That's a shit idea! And here's why..." So many movies could've been saved with those words.

 

[Sovvolf]

I hate him because of the Star Wars Holiday Special.

He had no direct involvement in Star Wars Holiday Special an he him self as declared it none canon and want's to wipe it off of the face of the earth.

He helped write the story, it still exist today (youtube) and declaring it noncanon doesn't erase the bad dreams from watching it.

He had very little to do with the writing of the story (to the point that he wasn't even credited). The story was written by 5 other guys (one of which helped right scary movie 3 and 4). The only thing George can be blamed for is letting it happen in the first place. However, he declared it none cannon, had never officially been released and as never aired again, so he's attempted to rid the world of it. However the internet (Being the powerful tool that it is) as rendered that impossible.

Here's a quote from George found on wikipedia regarding it "The special from 1978 really didn't have much to do with us, you know. I can't remember what network it was on, but it was a thing that they did. We kind of let them do it. It was done by... I can't even remember who the group was, but they were variety TV guys. We let them use the characters and stuff and that probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, but you learn from those experiences.".

 

[raankh]

Why are midichlorians always picked on as a bad thing? I never got that.

I liked them, it was a bit like mitochondrial DNA in concept...

I always dug that too. Less magic, more 'science'. Awesome.

Ouch, this hurts to read for me .... The entire concept of intelligent microscopic organisms is just ridiculous. There's a reason we are of a certain size in relation to the interacting parts of our cognitive systems (loosely our nervous system). It is difficult to imagine a very small organism being capable of managing information entropy (which means managing energy) in a sufficiently complex way to allow higher-order abstractions and thus intelligence. The alternative is that they work together as a collective to be intelligent, but that is really what ordinary cells do. If they would display this emergent behaviour, midichlorians themselves would just be ordinary cells so that's not what is implied.

Science aside, what does it mean anyway? Everybody is a nation consisting of on the order of trillions to quadrillions (Anakin has over 20,000 per cell) of intelligent beings. What? What does that have to do with anything Star Wars? Sure, the idea might work for something like the Reapers of Mass Effect, but really ....

If they were like mitochondria, I'd have no problem with 'em. It's this "intelligent" crap that's the problem.

 

[Scde2]

I hate him because of the Star Wars Holiday Special.

He had no direct involvement in Star Wars Holiday Special an he him self as declared it none canon and want's to wipe it off of the face of the earth.

He helped write the story, it still exist today (youtube) and declaring it noncanon doesn't erase the bad dreams from watching it.

He had very little to do with the writing of the story (to the point that he wasn't even credited). The story was written by 5 other guys (one of which helped right scary movie 3 and 4). The only thing George can be blamed for is letting it happen in the first place. However, he declared it none cannon, had never officially been released and as never aired again, so he's attempted to rid the world of it. However the internet (Being the powerful tool that it is) as rendered that impossible.

I'll say it again. It's still on Youtube and declaring it noncanon doesn't rid the bad taste of processed crap from your mouth. And it shows how much he'll do to make money. Like sellout one of the best movies ever. I cant watch the original trilogy without thinking of it.

 

[LiquidGrape]

I'd have to say I think the first three Star Wars are pretty rubbish too.
- Let the self-righteous flaming commence.

 

[Xocrates]

Dont have a problem with the Star Wars prequels, but Indiana Jones IV... Way to rape a franchise mr. Lucas... Aliens? really?

To be fair, this reaction is very typical because most people missed the fact that Crystal Skull is supposed to be based on the 50's sci fi B movies, in the same way that the originals were based on 30's adventure movies. Quite frankly I thought this change was the most interesting thing about the movie.

That said, I won't be claiming it to be a good movie. But I will note that, nostalgia goggles aside, it wasn't worse (or at least significantly so) than Temple of Doom.

Well, to be honest, Indy 4 wasn't as bad as I feared - it certainly had some of the Indy feel to it and all, but I really felt it was a bad movie, and the aliens only made it worse.

Also, I dunno why everyone hated the Temple of Doom - I thought it was alright myself.

That was kind of my point. I wasn't saying Temple of Doom was bad (although it's the worst of the original trilogy), I was saying Crystal Skull isn't horrible and that most of the hate towards it is not so much related to quality but due to a very significant (but not unjustified) shift in tone.

 

[Sovvolf]

I'll say it again. It's still on Youtube and declaring it noncanon doesn't rid the bad taste of processed crap from your mouth.

Ripping out your eye balls and setting them a-light wont rid you of the image of that trash. However declaring it none-canon means that it has nothing to do with any thing in that universe, you could happily go about learning every thing about the EU and never really have to watch that God awful piece of shit. The only reason people watch it these's days is because of how notoriously bad it is (so bad it's horrible but I can't possibly explain in words how horrible it is).

And it shows how much he'll do to make money. Like sellout one of the best movies ever. I cant watch the original trilogy without thinking of it.

This was back when the movie wasn't a classic and Lucas was still a very young director. The money which came from that would have contributed to creating The Empire Strikes Back. I mean if you watch the documentary of that film you'll realise that he was in and out of financial hell for the most of the time.