Japan May Make YouTube Illegal
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Don't care as long as long as I get some Persona 4: Golden footage.
I need at least 5 more spoiler videos.
I need at least 5 more spoiler videos.
There's a lot of "casual" racism when it comes to Japan isn't there? Stop it, it's not funny, it's not alright. Japanese culture has stark differences to Western culture, but these eccentricities shouldn't be a source of derision, or flippancy when the people face challenges to their freedoms at the hands of corporation controlled governments. Those who disregard these oppressive and dangerous laws, because they perceive the country as "weird", are ignorant; and even the "humourous" advocacy of these beliefs is damaging. Should you ever make Japanese friends, you would surely quickly come to realise that they're individually complex, not crass easily dismissed stereotypes. You might find they have interesting perspectives and beliefs that remind you they hail from a culture that adapted and flourished differently to that which you did; rather than rejecting them as "Japanese wackiness" to stroke the ego of your Western upbringing and mannerisms, you would benefit from considering why these solutions to life's challenges were developed, integrating and adapting your own beliefs when you find wisdom you previously hadn't before benefited from. To avoid this is a insidious form of cowardice, and when it allows this sort of corruption of an entire nations rights to go unchallenged, consigning it as "their problem", you are complicit in the chain of events that ends, in this case, with the privatisation of the democratic process.
Anyway... I for one will fight this in any way I can, as before with PIPA, CISPA, SOPA, and all the other bills that undermine peoples rights and misuse the law for the benefit of avarice fueled corporations that only consider people as means of becoming wealthier, with concern only for as long the current board of executives are alive. If the prisons are full of people copyright "infringement offenders", no one can make anything without express permission from a legal division, and the global economy is collapsing as ancient elderly oligarchs hoard money, in 100 years, they don't care. It's outside of their lifespan, and therefore unimportant. I digress... they'll have my support in any way I can give it, by influencing the hand of the powers I am under the governance through appealing to their lust for votes, so they pressure the Japanese government. The people of Japan will have to amass their own resistance if it's to stand a chance though. Here's hoping.
Anyway... I for one will fight this in any way I can, as before with PIPA, CISPA, SOPA, and all the other bills that undermine peoples rights and misuse the law for the benefit of avarice fueled corporations that only consider people as means of becoming wealthier, with concern only for as long the current board of executives are alive. If the prisons are full of people copyright "infringement offenders", no one can make anything without express permission from a legal division, and the global economy is collapsing as ancient elderly oligarchs hoard money, in 100 years, they don't care. It's outside of their lifespan, and therefore unimportant. I digress... they'll have my support in any way I can give it, by influencing the hand of the powers I am under the governance through appealing to their lust for votes, so they pressure the Japanese government. The people of Japan will have to amass their own resistance if it's to stand a chance though. Here's hoping.
This is awesome. I can't wait for the world to start banning things like this. The more stuff they ban all around the world the better. Because it will take less time for people to wake the fuck up and say that enough is enough. People are already pissed off at the world. All these new copyright laws that basically ban creativity because someone else thought of something first will not last. They can't last. If history thought us anything it's that you can't stop progress. Banning always leads to liberation. And I can't fuckin' wait for it.
Well... you should probably also mention the fact that the weird Anime porn is a result of the fact that live-action porn is illegal. They aren't exactly a liberal culture. In fact, they're about as conformist as you can get. The weird stuff is mostly a product of subcultures that are rebelling against the larger orthodox culture. The more extreme the orthodoxy, the more extreme the rebellion. But even given all of that I still absolutely adore traditional Japanese culture. (Not anime, I'm talking traditional Japanese culture like tea ceremony.)sageoftruth said:
I first read the title as "Jesus May Make YouTube Illegal"...
OT: All of this garbage will probably go away as the previous generation dies off, so it'll go away sometime. Hopefully.
That's because it's called copyrighted.Varil said:
OT: All of this garbage will probably go away as the previous generation dies off, so it'll go away sometime. Hopefully.
What's the difference between a Ferrari and a pile of dead babies?NezumiiroKitsune said:
I don't have a Ferrari in my garage.
OH MY GOD, CALL THE POLICE! I MADE A DEAD BABY JOKE, THEREFORE I AM ENCOURAGING INFANTICIDE!
Whenever you try to shame people into not joking about something, you just make yourself look like a fanatic and your cause loses a bit of its legitimacy. I sincerely doubt that there is anyone in this forum who actually thinks that the majority of Japanese people have neon colored hair and are sexually perverted. When you infer that this is what people must think from a single sentence that is obviously intended as a joke, it just makes you look stupid.
The proper response is "ha, ha, ha, very funny guys. But seriously, Japan isn't really just a bunch of weirdos and this sucks for them."
For all people that hate on America's government and laws like this, remember how we all stood up against the passage of them extremely loudly, and they were not passed. This Japanese law occurs when that does not occur, nobody is heard, and the law passes in the darkness of the abyss.
That's why when these issues DO come up in your home country, stand up and say hell no. Even if it does get pushed through, it will be remembered on election day.
That's why when these issues DO come up in your home country, stand up and say hell no. Even if it does get pushed through, it will be remembered on election day.
Xiado is right. There's nothing this bill makes illegal that hasn't been illegal in the US since the DMCA passed, according to the article.
Not to mention, the fact that copyright laws are so relatively simple to bypass pretty much kills any chances that people will resort to civil disobedience. Why break a law and get caught in the hopes the public will demand a repeal, when you can just continue to break the law and not get caught?
As much as I agree with this, it rarely works that way in the real world. When governments try to fast-track laws so oppressive that people would be rioting in the streets before lunch, they get protested heavily and fail before they ever get a chance to pass. So the government goes back to the drawing board and replaces them with stuff only a few people will ever see the danger in before it's too late.Adam Jensen said:
Not to mention, the fact that copyright laws are so relatively simple to bypass pretty much kills any chances that people will resort to civil disobedience. Why break a law and get caught in the hopes the public will demand a repeal, when you can just continue to break the law and not get caught?
All I have to say is, good luck, Japan. You're gonna need it now that your prisons are going to be overflowing. If you think American prisons are overcrowded thanks to drug bans, imagine what would happen if using the internet were a prison worthy offense. That's effectively what this law does.
Could have an internet argument, but I'm sticking with what I said. When comedy racism has real repercussions, it becomes just as funny as actual racism. It's not funny, it's fucking tiresome, and it risks alienating decent people, because they'll get nothing but insincerity from their problem.ReiverCorrupter said:
The difference between a dead baby joke, and comedy racism, when it's not obviously a joke, is obvious. Not only do you almost definitely not have a garage of dead babies, but no dead babies are going to suffer for it. Just... yeah. It's tiresome, and it's not funny, and it's all any thread about Japan becomes.
I'm not trying to shame anyone, just bring up the standard of discussion a bit. If there's a joke to be made about this story, can it not be, HURHURHUR JAPAN, U LIEK SCHOOLGIRLS AND RAPE.
What are the repercussions aside from offending someone? If offending someone is the repercussion that you're worried about then by their very nature all offensive jokes should be avoided. If you're saying that the jokes are actually going to make people racist then I'm quite skeptical.NezumiiroKitsune said:
If your point is that the jokes are an expression of racism then the damage is already done: the person who made the joke is already racist, and would still be racist had they not told the joke. So once again, the only real negative consequence of the joke itself is that it is offensive (unless, once again, you think that it actually makes others who view it racist).
If you think that it will result in a slippery slope from humor to hostile racist actions, in which case I'm very skeptical. I'd like to see any evidence of a causal relation between telling a stupid joke on the internet and burning a cross in someone's yard (where the former causes the latter).
Or perhaps what you're saying is that it's some slippery slope wherein if one person makes a racist joke then everyone else will, and this will cause the people who are the object of the joke to be more than just offended: i.e. scared/paranoid/oppressed? That could be, I suppose. I feel the same way when Christian fundamentalists get together and start joking about how non-believers get raped by demons in hell. I might not find it funny, but they clearly do. Things aren't really objectively funny or not funny. While I might find that offensive and even threatening if they start talking about politics, I can't say that it has much of an effect on me objectively. I'm not going to complain about it and tell them that they shouldn't say those things.
The best counter is to probably just tell a joke of your own.
For example:
"Yeah, Japan is pretty weird. I mean, half of their country is more concerned with teaching creationism in school than making sure the poor have access to healthcare... oh, no, wait..."
Wait, Kotaku said that? thought they all ate that foreign pop culture shit up over there?RaikuFA said:
My main worry about something like this is that it could seriously affect both fansubbing and scanlation, it's already hard enough at times for groups to find a decent source for certain things, and this is just going to make it worse. I'm sure they'll find ways around it but it will possibly result in delays and a whole lot more directly ripping from CR's horribly bit-starved encodes. ;_;
I wonder if there will ever be a japan thread where someone doesn't bring up school girls and tentacle rape. (This here now doesn't count cause i'm only posting it due to all the posts already saying stuff about it...)
My question is whether this law will really be enforced or not. I mean they might use it against some major pirate cracker whose selling thousands of bootleg items, but will they actually really go after people for watching youtube?
and yeah that other question about how could they tell if a japanese person in another country watched youtube or not.
My question is whether this law will really be enforced or not. I mean they might use it against some major pirate cracker whose selling thousands of bootleg items, but will they actually really go after people for watching youtube?
and yeah that other question about how could they tell if a japanese person in another country watched youtube or not.
I meant closer to what you said in your third interpretation of why I wrote my tirade, although whether the individual is offended or not isn't my concern, people have the right to be offended, nothing happens, to quote a wise man. Like you said, my concern is more that the number of people making "comedy racism" jokes creates a "slippery slope" wherein the severity of a situation is written off because of the people it affects, or that a significant population of people find they feel belittled, so much so that their arguments bear no weight.ReiverCorrupter said:
I know I fear treading on the toes of the super-PC white people who want to make the word black illegal, because it's offensive and degrading, since you know, they'd know, being middle-class white people, and offending anyone should be illegal; but sometimes things like this do become an issue, and even in a community as isolated as gaming culture, it's worrying that an entire nation and culture elicits only a crude, stupid, trope.
I don't think these people are really racist, but I don't think they thought much about it either. "Being silly is still allowed, that's not excluded by adulthood, what's excluded by adulthood is thoughtlessness" Offensive jokes are a special "adult" kind of silly, that need to not actually become a problem to productive discourse.
I should stop responding now. Sorry for perpetuating this for so long, I'll just accept whatever you think about what I've said.
Meh. I could see that happening in some circumstances, but I doubt that this is one of them. The comments here are largely flippant one-offs. If a Japanese person came on here and started talking about how he/she's worried about how this law will affect him/her, I doubt people would tell that person that his/her opinion doesn't matter because Japan is weird. And if someone actually did, there would be backlash. The escapist is pretty liberal. Notice also that the thread is hardly unanimous in its reaction. If everyone in here was making the same joke then you might have a point.NezumiiroKitsune said:
As far as the flippant comments being posted by thoughtless people... I still think you're better off mocking their flippancy with your own form of humor than asking them to stop. Humor is a double edged sword; it can empower just as much as it can belittle. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. But I guess we can just agree to disagree.