Japan May Make YouTube Illegal

[him over there]

So violating schoolgirl orifices is fine, but not violating copyright?

Makes sense when failing to show up in uniform means expulsion but using plagiarism for a school assignment is just fine.

Well... you should probably also mention the fact that the weird Anime porn is a result of the fact that live-action porn is illegal. They aren't exactly a liberal culture. In fact, they're about as conformist as you can get. The weird stuff is mostly a product of subcultures that are rebelling against the larger orthodox culture. The more extreme the orthodoxy, the more extreme the rebellion. But even given all of that I still absolutely adore traditional Japanese culture. (Not anime, I'm talking traditional Japanese culture like tea ceremony.)

Actually while live action porn is illegal the reason the animated porn is often more *ahem* exotic instead of merely being a live action to animation/illustration transition is actually because of, can you guess, internet piracy.

See the thing is vanilla pornography is available in an incredibly extreme excess for free thanks to the internet. So in order for money to be made the audience must be more niche in order to tap into a market that doesn't have a giant no charge go to option. That's why you get things like Maid girls eat cake with each other while being assaulted by tentacles 18 XXX XIV. That and the fact that the censorship is weird, like you can show sexual organs but not in their entirety. However it doesn't matter which part is omitted so you'll sometimes see censor bars hiding nothing in particular thrown around haphazardly.

Yeah, but the market is usually created to serve the demand, not create it. No doubt part of it is due to competition and specialization, but the niche that they serve probably only exists in the first place because of their censorship laws. But then again, we would cite women for indecency for showing their ankles about a hundred years ago, so who are we to judge? That's probably where foot fetishes came from, lol.

No they don't create it at all, but I doubt that this niche market exists because of the censorship, they merely have to cater to it because of the censorship. Plus the fact that it exists outside of reality because they don't allow live action stuff means they can take the crazy stuff to even more outlandish extremes.

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

So violating schoolgirl orifices is fine, but not violating copyright?

Makes sense when failing to show up in uniform means expulsion but using plagiarism for a school assignment is just fine.

Well... you should probably also mention the fact that the weird Anime porn is a result of the fact that live-action porn is illegal. They aren't exactly a liberal culture. In fact, they're about as conformist as you can get. The weird stuff is mostly a product of subcultures that are rebelling against the larger orthodox culture. The more extreme the orthodoxy, the more extreme the rebellion. But even given all of that I still absolutely adore traditional Japanese culture. (Not anime, I'm talking traditional Japanese culture like tea ceremony.)

Actually while live action porn is illegal the reason the animated porn is often more *ahem* exotic instead of merely being a live action to animation/illustration transition is actually because of, can you guess, internet piracy.

See the thing is vanilla pornography is available in an incredibly extreme excess for free thanks to the internet. So in order for money to be made the audience must be more niche in order to tap into a market that doesn't have a giant no charge go to option. That's why you get things like Maid girls eat cake with each other while being assaulted by tentacles 18 XXX XIV. That and the fact that the censorship is weird, like you can show sexual organs but not in their entirety. However it doesn't matter which part is omitted so you'll sometimes see censor bars hiding nothing in particular thrown around haphazardly.

Yeah, but the market is usually created to serve the demand, not create it. No doubt part of it is due to competition and specialization, but the niche that they serve probably only exists in the first place because of their censorship laws. But then again, we would cite women for indecency for showing their ankles about a hundred years ago, so who are we to judge? That's probably where foot fetishes came from, lol.

No they don't create it at all, but I doubt that this niche market exists because of the censorship, they merely have to cater to it because of the censorship. Plus the fact that it exists outside of reality because they don't allow live action stuff means they can take the crazy stuff to even more outlandish extremes.

Meh. I'm saying it's a combination. The censorship and the market response to demand both probably mutually condition it. I'm not saying that the censorship directly creates the demand, I'm saying it acts as a catalyst which makes the demand bigger than it would otherwise be. I also completely agree with the last sentence. So I'm not even sure if we're disagreeing at this point.

 

[sageoftruth]

So violating schoolgirl orifices is fine, but not violating copyright?

Makes sense when failing to show up in uniform means expulsion but using plagiarism for a school assignment is just fine.

Well... you should probably also mention the fact that the weird Anime porn is a result of the fact that live-action porn is illegal. They aren't exactly a liberal culture. In fact, they're about as conformist as you can get. The weird stuff is mostly a product of subcultures that are rebelling against the larger orthodox culture. The more extreme the orthodoxy, the more extreme the rebellion. But even given all of that I still absolutely adore traditional Japanese culture. (Not anime, I'm talking traditional Japanese culture like tea ceremony.)

Thanks. I had no idea they outlawed live action porn. I knew lots of the crazy coming from there was a result of extreme repression, but I always love learning something new about it.

 

[Wintermoot]

It's japan are we honestly surprised?

actually yes in the past Japan was pretty lenient with copyright (just looks at the metric tons of legal fan material)
how are they planning to enforce this?

 

[jaffrosheep]

Tentacle rape: Good

Watching Youtube: BAAAAAAD

Japan clearly has it's priorities right.

because every single person in japan is a fan of and veiws tentacle rape and every single one of them enjoys it

... makes sense

 

[Ickorus]

Tentacle rape: Good

Watching Youtube: BAAAAAAD

Japan clearly has it's priorities right.

because every single person in japan is a fan of and veiws tentacle rape and every single one of them enjoys it

... makes sense

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Not making a very obviously dumb joke or anything, nope, not at all.

 

[him over there]

It's japan are we honestly surprised?

actually yes in the past Japan was pretty lenient with copyright (just looks at the metric tons of legal fan material)
how are they planning to enforce this?

Actually Japan is very forceful of copyright laws, it's just that it's mostly in between companies in order to stop things such as plagiarism. less "Don't watch our stuff on the internet for free" and more "Don't let our competitors make something eerily similar to our own copy-written creation".

 

[LazyAza]

Yep makes about as much sense as their censorship laws. Good old Japan politicians still think its 1970.

 

[Wintermoot]

how are they planning to enforce this? I could easily ask a US/EU friend to download stuff for me and sent the HDD over.

 

[zombiesinc]

It's weird, sure but it's just a website. I can't imagine Japan values YouTube quite as much as North Americans do.

 

[Saulkar]

This is awesome. I can't wait for the world to start banning things like this. The more stuff they ban all around the world the better. Because it will take less time for people to wake the fuck up and say that enough is enough. People are already pissed off at the world. All these new copyright laws that basically ban creativity because someone else thought of something first will not last. They can't last. If history thought us anything it's that you can't stop progress. Banning always leads to liberation. And I can't fuckin' wait for it.

I guess that is why it is happening slowly.

 

[bluepilot]

I think that this is a move to stop the illegal distribution of fan-subbed American shows more than anything else. Any show imported from America and then translated into Japanese is sold at an absolutely ridiculous mark up price. For example, if you were to buy a first series box set, the typical price is about 10,000 yen, and they do not include the first three episodes, you have to order them separately and pay another 3000 yen plus postage. It really, really sucks. Buying domestic shows is not much better with movies costing about 2000 yen on the SECOND HAND market. If I want to buy anime, the companies who make anime have a tendency to release only two episodes per disc...now...I ma not a media expert, but I think that a DVD should be able to contain more than 40 minutes of footage. Also, when you buy a anime box set, it should not take up the same amount of space as the manga. A 24 episode anime, each episode lasting 20 minutes, does not need to be in a 12 DVD box set. It could easily fit onto 3 discs. I would be more than happy to pay the same price, this in entirely a space issue. Needless to say, I only buy DVDs if I really, really like the show. In 5 years of living here, I have bought about 7 DVDs and one box set.

Also, TV went digital this summer meaning that you have to replace your TV and fork out even more cash to watch something other than food, wacky game shows, and political debate.

Then if you go to the cinema, it costs about 2000 yen for a ticket...boo...

In other words, some companies are making a lot of money and the internet is a threat to this. But, instead of deciding, hey guess what, a) in the cinema, where you pay 2000 yen to get in we are not going to replace all the staff with automatic kiosks, or b) when you pay a lot of money amount for a box set of DVDs we will include ALL of the episodes from that season, or c) DVDs will loose value from the date of their release and end up in bargain bins, or d) we are going to make more material available on itunes and not just shows from the 90s, or e) we are going to air good shows on on domestic channels and not force you to shell out for a new TV and subscription....instead of doing these things the government decided to target youtube: a website which deletes legal content anyway, and one of the most watched clips in Japan consist of a scottish fold cat called Maru.

As a result of the expense of general media, I only shell out for a DVD or go to the cinema if it is something I cannot live without. I would use itunes to download more things, but the content available is disappointing to say the least. Then I cannot import anything from America because of the "I still live in the 90s" area code.

I have three options available: pay a lot of cash, get a rental or pirate.

I do not have a lot of cash so the amount of media I can access via that is limited, and I think that piracy is wrong, so I get rentals

Though, one time I got a rental, and the stupid DVD made me watch 30 minutes of this stupid show before I could watch the main thing. I could not skip past it, I could not fast forward it, and every time I tried, the show went back to the beginning and I had to watch it all over again. I do not remember the name of this show, but is was boring stupid ridiculous drama.

So, in conclusion, I do not think that problems in piracy stem from youtube, but rather from consumers being used as toilet paper by the media industry.

Oh, Japan, why do you make media enjoyment so hard.