It seems they sort of missed the point if they think it's about fictional characters having rights when what really bothers people is that rape is being reflected in a positive light in a popular medium.
Japanese Porn Game Lampoons Rape Game Controversy
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Not true. He only dies if he gets one of the girls pregnant and fails to force her to abort her child which causes the main character to commit suicide or if he fails to break one of the girl's spirit enough resulting in her stabbing him.Amnestic said:
Aside from that, it's an endless rape paradise of constant non-consensual-but-really-consensual-because-apparently-girls-like-being-raped fun sex for the whole family. I guess you could say that this doesn't qualify as an end because it doesn't really end.
Haha I applaud these game makers.
When will people realize that most can separate reality from fantasy? Those that can't already need help. What happened to blaming people for crimes? The day someone PROVES that a game like this caused rape is the day I speak out against it.
When will people realize that most can separate reality from fantasy? Those that can't already need help. What happened to blaming people for crimes? The day someone PROVES that a game like this caused rape is the day I speak out against it.
I think they hit it on the mark.hURR dURR dERP said:
If I can play games where I murder. Or games where I steal. Or games where I beat old women with baseball bats and then drive over their still living forms while listening to reggae music. This should be treated no damn differently.
I'm sure people don't like being sliced apart with katana's just as much as people don't like being raped. Yet we shrug off the former and ***** across entire nations for the latter.
It is nonsensical lopsided bullshit and I applaud this game company for mocking it.
PS. Rape is terrible and rapists should feel terrible. But a game is a game.
Also a complete an utter aside. To the guy who said in the old rapelay thread that Genocide is uncommon. I realize you'll never see this comment...but you are retarded.
This was a clustered quote, so if I have the wrong name attached, I apologize.
The thing in the game was mildly amusing, but it's side-stepping the issue. If the people who made that game seriously think we're just going on about the rights of game characters, they're either extremely stupid or they're deluding themselves. As much as games cause controversy today over things such as violence, killing, rape, etc... I'll be a lot more uncomfortable when we're no longer sensitive to things like these. I mean playing it in a game is one thing, but going "eh" whenever you hear about it in a real world context is something else. Which as a lot of people in here have said (and online in general) "Nothing surprises me out of Japan anymore", and I dunno I kind of find that sad, because it basically means we know what they do and we look the other way. That's about as bad as being one of those 40 witnesses to someone being raped and doing nothing. If I were a witness to someone being taken away, and there was something I could do, you can damn well bet I would have done whatever I could.
EDIT: As an aside to something I noticed in the comments on the last page, I don't actually think Rape games generally lead to rape in real life (although I'm sure it gives way to sexual fantasies of varying degrees of healthiness), I DO believe that the rape game industry was a by-product or possibly even fueled by the stuff that happens in Japan. Whether it's literal rape or just the stuff that they assume people fantasize about.
EDIT2: Just had kind of a sorta-funny thought.. but all this stuff really can't be helping their population/birth issue, either.
In regards to this, which I've known about for some time, it's one of the key problems I have with rape games in general. For me, it represents a lack of sensitivity.. not sure if that's the right word... It feels like a desensitization of the events depicted. If we were to just see a game of a girl being raped and shrug and move on, that's us no longer caring about it, and that's one step closer to us no longer caring when we see or hear about rape really happening. The reason I say that is because that is exactly the case in Japan. The sheer fact that people DO get dragged off and raped in crowds and no one gives a shit is a serious problem in my eyes. It's one of the major reasons I have a love and hate relationship with Japan and its culture. However, the same can probably be said with a lot of countries out there (and America with its White Slavery and Gang Wars isn't immune, either).Doug said:
The thing in the game was mildly amusing, but it's side-stepping the issue. If the people who made that game seriously think we're just going on about the rights of game characters, they're either extremely stupid or they're deluding themselves. As much as games cause controversy today over things such as violence, killing, rape, etc... I'll be a lot more uncomfortable when we're no longer sensitive to things like these. I mean playing it in a game is one thing, but going "eh" whenever you hear about it in a real world context is something else. Which as a lot of people in here have said (and online in general) "Nothing surprises me out of Japan anymore", and I dunno I kind of find that sad, because it basically means we know what they do and we look the other way. That's about as bad as being one of those 40 witnesses to someone being raped and doing nothing. If I were a witness to someone being taken away, and there was something I could do, you can damn well bet I would have done whatever I could.
EDIT: As an aside to something I noticed in the comments on the last page, I don't actually think Rape games generally lead to rape in real life (although I'm sure it gives way to sexual fantasies of varying degrees of healthiness), I DO believe that the rape game industry was a by-product or possibly even fueled by the stuff that happens in Japan. Whether it's literal rape or just the stuff that they assume people fantasize about.
EDIT2: Just had kind of a sorta-funny thought.. but all this stuff really can't be helping their population/birth issue, either.
So we are going to address that people get raped in public in front of crowds in the US too riiiiiiight?Hiroshi Mishima said:
Or not...
That's cool I don't mind that.
We going to point out the whole issue with crowds and the psychology of the matter and how unsurprising it is that anywhere in the world someone could be victimized in front of a crowd and not be saved?
No? Alright...
How about pointing out that women get bludgeoned to death for showing their faces in some countries?
Or that some women get their genitals mutilated just for being women.
Or the fact that it is perfectly acceptable to mutilate male genitals in the US. "But it is clean and attractive." First part is completely irrelevant in this day and age and the second part is trivial at best considering most of the mutilation happens to the person before they are even old enough to speak.
How about all the violent games where you slaughter hundreds of innocent bystanders?
Or for that matter the real life issue of war being popularized and marketed all over television, magazines, and college grounds?
But to be fair murder is far less terrible than rape. Which is why we don't freak out and have a thread about all the murder sims out there.
I find it terribly odd that we can ignore the open arms we give to games with extreme levels of violence but act like completely innocent bystanders when some game about a rapist comes out. Turns out that the only difference between a rape game and a sex game is the dialogue. Pretty sure since religious texts didn't convert me some rape dialogue isn't.
Maybe that is the problem? Simple minded retards (Not talking about who I quoted) are worried that any sort of book, game, or movie about a sensitive topic is going to lead to that subject being suddenly acceptable and awesome.
Turns out I can watch a murder movie and not suddenly support murder. I could play a murder game and not suddenly support or want to murder. By that logic I could also play a rape game and not support or want to rape.
The only reason this is a big deal is it is about sex and too many people are still nervous about sex. More nervous about it than death unfortunately.
PS. Sex games and alternatives to sex are never going to increase birth rates. That is highly counter intuitive.
As I pointed out in reply to Doug, there was a case in the U.S. recently of a girl getting gangraped in public, with the crowd not only watching - but some of them joined in. Considering how rape games aren't popular in the U.S., I think calling for a lack of sensitivity due to them is a little bitHiroshi Mishima said:
If you can play a rape game and suddenly find yourself desensitised to rape in real life, that's a larger issue with you. Most every person will still find rape an unpleasant concept.
Being sensitive to something has nothing to do with being morally objectionate to a piece of art. Yes. Art. It may not be art you like, but it's still art. It still speaks to the soul in a certain way, just as Lolita is art, the Bible is art and Resident Evil 4 is art.Hiroshi Mishima said:
Most every person in this thread has said they're not a fan of rape games. I'm not surprised. If they said they did like them they'd likely be villified by the community - but considering that I would trust the majority of people aren't lying and yet they still defend the sale of such things says something.
So, wait, are rape games the product of their fantasies or do they produce the fantasies? Surely to consider buying a rape game you'd likely have tendencies to begin with.Hiroshi Mishima said:
Apologies if the text doesn't flow terribly well, this computer is so shit I'll type something and thirty seconds later it'll show up on screen. Doesn't make for easy checking of what I'm writing.
Is it just me, or does Jon really like writing about Japanese porn games? Oh, well, doesn't matter either way. Highly amusing nonetheless.
