What, no mention of the most "I want to replay that" game of all time, Deus Ex? You fail good sir. You fail hard.
Jimquisition: Linearity versus Replayability
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Jim, you got my 100% backup on this one!
I was a little bit sad cause Steam Summer Camp ended (thankfully) but this episode totally cheers me up, spotting on the mark what is wrong with with gamers who don´t have a clue what replayability means and tech jerks that put great games down because the FSAA is not state of the art in 2011.7 anymore, or similar irrelevant shit.
Esp. the body language totally fits the presentation.
I was a little bit sad cause Steam Summer Camp ended (thankfully) but this episode totally cheers me up, spotting on the mark what is wrong with with gamers who don´t have a clue what replayability means and tech jerks that put great games down because the FSAA is not state of the art in 2011.7 anymore, or similar irrelevant shit.
Esp. the body language totally fits the presentation.
I too have tired of arguing with people about this, so finally I too can redirect them to this video.DigitalAtlas said:
OP: Thank you Jim! I couldn't agree more. I have always tired in the arguments with people who seem to think everything would be better or can only be played more often if it has some form of multiplayer mode etc. You even used the examples I love to use such as the how one can reread a book with out have to have something like a co op reading, and how you can rewatch movies. Thank you again Jim.
FF9 love! RPGs are a great example of non-multi replay value. Running through a game without healing, or magic, or if it's an action game leveling up. Good times.
You do know that your suppose to laugh at his over the top elitist asshole persona. His pretty much a caricature of how the common man sees critics and other supposed elitist assholes. I mean how can people take him so serious when he says stuff like"Your brain is mental" and not laugh at how ridiculous his persona is in his video. He is a satire in snobby elitist asshole that think there opinion are the law that there fan most follow or they are just dumb moron that don't understand there greatness. In his newer videos he has crank it up to eleven to make it easier on people to see that his persona is caricature to be mock for how he think is clever witty and charming when is obvious he is not. Which fit perfectly with his character as sadly many people think that are so clever and think they understand sarcasm and irony when in truth they have no what so ever. I guess is true what they say great satire is pretty much unrecognizable from what is mocking or some shit like that.
you replayed portal?
its a puzzle game..why would you want to play a puzzle game, if you already know all the awnswers?
I guess i wouldnt say that a game will get replay value just by being good. I personally do not see the point in playing a linear game again, which i enjoyed mainly for its atmosphere or its story - There a lots of good games/movies and books out there, that i havent tried yet
A game doesnt have to have replayable value to be good, though.
Im okay with playing it just once, as long as it is a great expirience
its a puzzle game..why would you want to play a puzzle game, if you already know all the awnswers?
I guess i wouldnt say that a game will get replay value just by being good. I personally do not see the point in playing a linear game again, which i enjoyed mainly for its atmosphere or its story - There a lots of good games/movies and books out there, that i havent tried yet
A game doesnt have to have replayable value to be good, though.
Im okay with playing it just once, as long as it is a great expirience
Awesome point, ive played the prince of persia sands of time like 15 times and it's basically a straight line from beginning to end but its the story that you come back for
the bioshock multiplayer is ok but it's really not vital and more content like the main game or minerva's den would have been better
the bioshock multiplayer is ok but it's really not vital and more content like the main game or minerva's den would have been better
If you hadn't bashed The Witcher 2 then I would fucking love you man.
As it is I like you in a purely platonic way. Also, kudos for the Joe Abercrombie reference. Excellent author.
As it is I like you in a purely platonic way. Also, kudos for the Joe Abercrombie reference. Excellent author.
I disagree. I like games having multiplayer. I like getting online in a new game, such as Bioshock 2, and playing with my friends. Guess that makes me a ****-mushroom?
In my eyes the length of the game and the quality decides if it has replay value. A game such as Oblivion can be enjoyed over and over because it's a massive game where you can always be doing something different. A game like Hunted: Demons Forge, which is short, and of bad quality does not have replay value.
Also I want to point out that you mentioned films, books and music as something that have replay stupid, yet I think that argument is flawed. All of these are much cheaper than the price of games, so people expect games to have replayability and to entertain them longer. I can read a book and finish it then come back to it 6 months later and repeat the cycle. With a game however I am going to remember certain parts, so I won't enjoy the second playthrough AS MUCH, as I already know what is going to happen. Not such a big deal with a £5 book, but with a £40 game, I expect something a bit different. Again Oblivion solves this through it's size, in which I can always do something different.
Besides, adding multiplayer to games can sometimes be very rewarding. The Assassins Creed multiplayer was great, as it was something new and different.
But then I know the escapist is very heavily single player based, so I know I won't have many people agreeing with me.
In my eyes the length of the game and the quality decides if it has replay value. A game such as Oblivion can be enjoyed over and over because it's a massive game where you can always be doing something different. A game like Hunted: Demons Forge, which is short, and of bad quality does not have replay value.
Also I want to point out that you mentioned films, books and music as something that have replay stupid, yet I think that argument is flawed. All of these are much cheaper than the price of games, so people expect games to have replayability and to entertain them longer. I can read a book and finish it then come back to it 6 months later and repeat the cycle. With a game however I am going to remember certain parts, so I won't enjoy the second playthrough AS MUCH, as I already know what is going to happen. Not such a big deal with a £5 book, but with a £40 game, I expect something a bit different. Again Oblivion solves this through it's size, in which I can always do something different.
Besides, adding multiplayer to games can sometimes be very rewarding. The Assassins Creed multiplayer was great, as it was something new and different.
But then I know the escapist is very heavily single player based, so I know I won't have many people agreeing with me.
Yeah, this is why I'm happy that Volition has given up on competitive multiplayer for Saints Row the Third and is just focusing on the single player and co-op. The MP in Saints Row 1 and 2 both sucked and I never bothered with them for more than a day or two. I've replayed both games for the single player though, because they are fun.
Now if only Naughty Dog would take a hint.
Now if only Naughty Dog would take a hint.
U mad, bro? Ratchet and Clank are "gone" and you "miss them" because All 4 One has constant co-op available? Yes, certainly. I know my copies of Tools of Destruction and A Crack in Time vanished from my shelf as soon as All 4 One was announced, damn you All 4 One!! Oh wait.uberhippy said:
You're getting better Jim,you're getting better.
To think that all the way back at the first episode,people were harkening to burn you on the stake...you're gonna go far kid.
Ummm,this wasn't a rant on multiplayer. This was a rant on people who believe that the only replay value in games is some sort of multiplayer function,or some other post-game gimmick. Nobody is saying multiplayer sucks.JasonBurnout16 said:
Oh Jim....You sit firmly on my 50/50 of Good/Hate bar
Last week you cried because USA/Europe wont be getting some JRPGs
You did a stunning episode about Passwords and having many of them
This week was a goody too....
Thumbs Up
10.1/10
Last week you cried because USA/Europe wont be getting some JRPGs
You did a stunning episode about Passwords and having many of them
This week was a goody too....
Thumbs Up
10.1/10
